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5690 Compatability Question

post #1 of 19
12/7/04 at 12:04pm
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I own what was originally a Sager 5620. About two months ago the MB burned.
I am just no procuring the parts necessay to convert the system to a 5690. The original system was 533mhz FSB, PC2100, 3.06ghz. My question regards the 5690 MB. Anyone know if I can use my old components until I can afford to buy some new components.

Also is the AC adapter for the 5620 and 5690 the same unit?
If you happen to own a 5690, could you reply with the Adaptor PN?

Thanks!
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post #2 of 19
12/7/04 at 12:28pm
the adapter is the 4 pin circle mojo. As for the cpu and ram, i would think you could put the ram in it but the cpu may or maynot go in. depends on the model you know intel.
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post #3 of 19
12/7/04 at 12:36pm
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Yeah I know intel. Its a mPGA 478 3.06. I would think it would fit, but I would really like to be sure, I just went through the agony of burnt components. And because I fell for Alienware, and I'm outside of warranty, I had to buy all my stuff from Clevo directly. They have this thing where they like to double say what Sager would charge for the part...

$899 for the MB and some case parts...talk about price rape.

Thanks for the info, still lookin for anyone who knows the specs on the AC Adaptor (output and all). I know the plug will fit, I just would prefer not to burn another MB to find out.
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post #4 of 19
12/7/04 at 1:34pm
I would say no, based on the following thread.

http://notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=22707

*Parts involved New Motherboard, Fan, Heat Sink, AC Adapter, Dummy PCMCIA card and Bottom Case

Upgrading your system requires most specifically a new bottom case, which to me indicates the motherboard is slightly different.

Additionally, a new AC Adapter, Fan, and Heat Sink are provided in an upgrade, which sounds to me like the current ac adapter is inadequate, as is the fan and heat sink.

You may be able to UPGRADE your system through the program mentioned above, for the price you're paying for the motherboard ($895).
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post #5 of 19
12/7/04 at 1:41pm
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Thats why I'm trying to get some specific specs for the 5690 AC Adaptor. Unfortunately I'm not eligible for the program as I purchased the machine originally from Alienware, and Sager won't even discuss selling me parts. I got all parts necessary from Clevo, including the heatsink and fan. The price I listed was for parts required to do the upgrade minus the AC Adaptor. The sager price includes all the parts plus labor and shipping.

Any opinion regarding the processor compatibility?
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post #6 of 19
12/7/04 at 4:35pm
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bump
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post #7 of 19
12/7/04 at 8:00pm
I would say no....though they are pin compatible, the 5690 has the intel 865pe chipset, which does not support the Pentium M, which is what you originally had in your system.

And, as previously stated, I do not believe the 5620 adapter is adequate for the power hungry p4.

I do not have a 5690, just a 5680....what is the output as listed on your adapter?
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post #8 of 19
12/8/04 at 1:27am
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The chip I have is not an M. Its a full fledged P4, running a 533mhz bus. it was throttled in the original system config to keep heat down. The 5690 as far as I can tell from service manuals requires a full range supply providing a max of 120w at 20v. The adapter I have puts out those numbers.

However the switching may have been revised in the 1.5 years I've had the system. What about your supply? What numbers does it put out? Got a Part number or manufacturer so I can compare?

And hey thanks for the helpful responses so far! i really do appreciate it!

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post #9 of 19
12/8/04 at 10:28am
Well, that's interesting...the 5620 had the Intel R682845MP chipset, which I thought was intended for the Pentium M....well. Well, since the two are pin compatible, I guess the 845mp can handle the P4 after all....that said, about the only thing you need to concern yourself with is the 865pe supports hyperthreading, but you won't get the benefit of that with the older p4...

My power supply is manufactured by the Li Shin International Enterprise Corp

Model 0227a20120
input 100-240v ~ 5060hz 2.0a
output 20v ---- 6.0a
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post #10 of 19
12/8/04 at 10:37am
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I think perhaps that the Sager system marketed by alienware was modified or of a different series, because approximately 1 year after purchasing the machine I had Hyper-Threading activated during an RMA for the LCD. The AC Adaptors for the systems seem to be the same, putting out a max of 120w at 20v and manufactured by the same people.

Excellent! It seems that I should be able to use my old components to complete the package! Thanks for all the help guys, I'll let ya know how it goes after I get the parts sometime next week.
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post #11 of 19
12/8/04 at 1:23pm
I am beginning to wonder if that was even a 5620, given the differences. About all that seems consistant between yours and the 5620 is the 533 bus speed.
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post #12 of 19
12/8/04 at 1:32pm
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I know what you mean. Based on the info I could beat out of Alienware Tech support, the Sager system that mine was remarketed was a 5620. That's what I have been working off since my catastrophe...

And let me tell ya, I'll be buying my next comp directly from Sager...
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post #13 of 19
12/8/04 at 2:26pm
Does your system support hyperthreading, if so, I think that it would have to be based on the same model as the 5670, since it was the first model to support ht, unless alienware somehow did their own mod to it, but I think that the 5620 only had a 400 fsb as well, so if it has the 533 I think that it would have to be either 5660 0r 70
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post #14 of 19
12/8/04 at 3:30pm
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Yes I think it might have to be. Its beginning to look like the stooge at alienware mixed up his model numbers. My model according to them was the Area-51m 5670D. They said the equivalent Sager model was the 5620. It is beginning to look like their incompetance is shining through once again.

I am embarassed that I didn't see this earlier...

In any case, My original system was a 533FSB, 1GB PC2100 DDR, 3.06ghz HT P4 (not 3.06ghz P4m)
So that matches more closely the specs of a 5670....
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post #15 of 19
12/8/04 at 5:37pm
Absolutely...gotta be. I know the 5620 chipset didn't support HT...not to mention the video gpu on the 5620 was I think equivalent to ant ati7000
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post #16 of 19
12/9/04 at 5:24pm
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Ok here is a rather n00b question. The 5690 has a native 800mhz FSB. I have components designed to run 533mhz FSB. Does the bios automatically detect that my components need 533 and adjust or as there specific settings I need to change either in Bios or in the form of jumpers?

Anywho the parts are on the way, should get them on Tuesday. I'll be sure to let you guys know how it goes.
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post #17 of 19
12/9/04 at 6:25pm
The only two componants that care are the memory and cpu...the 800 mghtz fsb is the maximum and they will work fine at a slower speed. It's about bandwidth...think of it this way

You're on the autobahn....the road doesn't change but instead of driving down it in a Porshe, you'll be driving down it in a Jetta
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post #18 of 19
12/9/04 at 9:10pm
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Very well put! Once again you have saved me from my own second thoughts!
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post #19 of 19
1/16/05 at 10:38pm
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Hey, I'm back! Finally got around to the upgrade/repair (took awhile since I was goin back to college). The parts fit perfectly, with only one discrepency. The HDD Converter Board in the 5690 uses a slightly different pin sequence to interface with the mainboard. That part doesn't come with the mb. Keep in mind I had to deal directly with Clevo for all my parts because I started off with an Alienware machine. Other than that the system runs fine.

Currently running P4 3.06/533/1024 pc2100 with no problems to speak of.
If anyone is considering a similar endeavor and needs advice, feel free to ask,as I have become very farmiliar with the internals of my laptop.

Though I do have a rather simple question. The Sager 5690 and Clevo D500E are the same machine, correct?
If this is the case, why is the Sager's ram expandable to 2gig, as opposed to the D500E 1gig? Is this a spec misprint? Or is Clevo being conservative?
I'm running the latest 5690 bios from the forums.
Also, the 5690 is not listed as being Prescott compatible, yet the D500E is. What is up with the spec discrepencies between these supposedly identical machines?
Anyone out there know?
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