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Beware: Phillips (extended Sager) support has been horrible for me

post #1 of 34
Thread Starter 
I love PcTorque and I love my sager laptop. The problem I have is with the Phillips extended support.

After a year and 3 months, my 8890 (1G RAM) started to spontaneously reboot itself and blue-screen.
I didn't panic too badly, opened it up, and removed each of my memory modules one at a time and attempted to use the machine.
The machine works fine with one of the memory modules gonzo. Now I'm down to 512M.

Ok, so I deal with Phillips tech support.
First I end up wasting a week because they don't know of me as a customer.
So I had to call PCTorque, get them talking, and get my service contract in place.
That could have been Phillips fault, PCTorque's fault, or Sager's fault, who knows.
(Least likely Sager's fault.) I didn't bother to ask about fault, because who knows what answer I would get and who cares.

Then I deal with Phillips for over a week. I deal with 2nd level support after finally getting the contract stuff squared away and they
work with me to indeed determine that that memory module was the culprit.
I ask if I can just send the memory back and not the entire machine.
Their 2nd level support says "yes", but they have to escallate and this will take time. I would receive a call back in 20 minutes.
They didn't call me for 2 days. Some snafu with their "system". I call them. I get more run-around.
I get a call back the next day where they say "we're shipping you a box".

I call back and say "you're not shipping me a box for the entire laptop, are you?" They say "yes, we don't allow you to just ship back the
memory".

Now is that weak or what? So I call back and really nicely talk about what I've been through just begging to please not make me ship back the entire laptop-- and now I'm in limbo expecting one last hurrah of a callback
within 2 days. Of course I'm sure that I won't get it. When I called back this last time there was also talk of voiding my warranty because I opened the machine. I told them that 2nd level support encouraged me to do so (which they did) then they backed off of that. I also said that it didn't say anywhere in my service contract that I would have to send back the entire machine... The people I deal with are pretty nice but this service and support sucks. Beware.
I'll update you with what happens. I cannot be without for my laptop for the however-long-it-takes-them-to-find-out-its-bad-memory-and-replace-it-and-ship-it-around-the-holidays amount of time. If I can't send back just the memory, I'm looking at either:

1) Buying a new laptop, backing this one up completely and sending it all in to get my memory replaced just so I have another backup machine anyway for emergencies and so that I can utilize this lame warranty
2) Just buying the memory myself and saying "screw the warranty" and cutting my losses

Either way, I have to seriously consider going with another laptop vendor next time or finding a higher end Sager clone dealer that doesn't use
Phillips support... I would hate to do either but have to really think about it now.
post #2 of 34
Sager should realler offer an in-house extended warranty. I'm not surpsised at this at all. The main goal of Phillips is basically to get you to give up.
post #3 of 34
Yeah I agree Sonic. Can someone from PCT give us some insight on why Sager doesn't offer in-house extended warranties? After all, who's going to know the machines better than them?! Yes it may mean a little more work, but with the money they'd be making off of it, they could hire and train me to do it!
post #4 of 34
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Originally Posted by Pyrobob83
...but with the money they'd be making off of it, they could hire and train me to do it!
LOL
post #5 of 34
and here I was thinking that Phillips was the good warranty. I went with Warrantech just to get the ADP
post #6 of 34
Err... I just bought a 3 year warranty with Phillips. I see it this way: If it's a bad memory module and they can repair it, that's cool by me. Also, I'd just back up everything I possibly could on CDs or ghost images.

But, every company has a run-around problem at some point or another, so I'm staying confident with the Phillips warranty.
post #7 of 34
It probably sounds lame but they can't just take your word for it. They usually want to test it for themselves and document that it was tested and was a memory problem.. To send in the bad memory would be nice..but they have no proof it came out of the machine thats under warranty..
post #8 of 34
I labored over whether I should buy an extended warranty or not. I ultimately chose not to figuring it would be cheaper to replace a stick of memory or a hard drive if they went bad.

What scares me is if the screen goes bad. Then we're talking new laptop time. I've fought with enough hardware dealers/developers to know it's luck of the draw if they're receptive to your problem. I didn't think the odds we're in my favor.
post #9 of 34
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Originally Posted by bigtrouble77
What scares me is if the screen goes bad. Then we're talking new laptop time.
I just had the motherboard in my 8790 replaced. It would've been ~$1500 for a new motherboard had it not been under warranty (and that's providing that I could even get one). It's that sort of thing that makes me glad that I got an extended warranty. On the other hand, I'm not real impressed so far with Warrantech. I've spoken with the top honcho in the service dept. and she didn't impress me as being out to help any customers.

I feel your pain, robert. Hopefully something gets squared away, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Thankfully I hadn't gotten rid of my older Sony VAIO- I was able to get by with it while my 8790 was in the shop. Totally understand your point about having to buy another unit.
post #10 of 34
I still think their worth buying.. your motherboard goes..your talking new laptop.. hard drive goes..in some cases that replacement covered what you paid for the warranty. Its not that they are doing wrong by him..its that WE do not want to part with our laptops even for a day.. lol I know I just shipped off my baby yesterday to get the screen replaced. Unfortunately, its probably going to be that way most times.
post #11 of 34
Problem is, not everyone's got a replacement computer that they can use. I just happened to've been lucky. I use my notebook everyday at work (more use @ work than at home, actually). If I hadn't had my VAIO for backup, I would've been very bent out of shape (altho' would understand that mine needed to go back due to my particular problem).
post #12 of 34
it's scary times like this, where i think i may just go get a sony,hp,toshiba, etc, from best buy, if they ever caught up to sager with specs.....

i dont feel comfortable dealing with sager tech support (i dont get a warm and fuzzy feeling from them...) and apparently the extended warrantee service is even worse.....
post #13 of 34
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Synergi
It probably sounds lame but they can't just take your word for it. They usually want to test it for themselves and document that it was tested and was a memory problem.. To send in the bad memory would be nice..but they have no proof it came out of the machine thats under warranty..
I hear what you're saying.. There should be some sort of system where every part of your laptop is ID'd upon purchase so that when something goes wrong with a part everyone can verify that it's indeed the part that went bad.

Maybe it's a stretch, but I think they can be pretty sure as someone who paid $4K+ for a laptop that a year and a half later I'm not trying to rip them off over a $150 memory module just because I happened to pay $300 extra for the extended warranty!
post #14 of 34
Don't most RAM sticks have a lifetime warranty from the OEM? Can't you just send it back to crucial, Corsair, Kingston or whatever brand it is for replacement?

Matt
post #15 of 34
I didnt buy the extended so after next august I'll be shit outta luck. But if it comes down to it i would just buy a new laptop my self and use the old one for parts if possible. Also the whole phillips micro medic thing would scare the shit outta me.
post #16 of 34
I think the reason Sager does not offer extended warranties is: it's basically an insurance policy. There is a set amount of a budget to spend trying to fix, if it can't be fixed, there's a settlement (typically).

Hence, why Philips wants you to give up from every step of the way. It's not so much just Philips, but all extended warranty "insurers" that do this. It similar to the whole "rebate" profession - they are banking on as few people as possible to use it.

-myrkat
post #17 of 34
Well said. I bought the thre year warranty to insure that I would not be SOL if/when parts ar no longer available. It's real hard to find a MB a year or two after the unit stops selling. And normally, if you need one, you will either pay through the nose or be SOL.
post #18 of 34
Thread Starter 
Well there it is, I learned today that they will not replace the memory unless I send the entire laptop in. (Even though we all agree that it's the memory since my once remaining stick works in either slot). This, by the way, was finally decided after I dealt with another service provider (Data Support Systems) and with Phillips 3rd party provider ServiceNet.

I am going to file suit in small claims court for the cost of my Sager Warranty purchased through PCTorque. (This is more about the principle than the money.) I have ServiceNet's address but need to call Phillips to get the proper contact information for them as I think I need to sue them. Nowhere does it say in my service contract with Phillips that I need to ship my entire laptop in or be without my laptop for weeks on end (especially if we have narrowed down the defective piece).

I'll keep you updated.
post #19 of 34
Hey people,

what about warrantech.... i'm sure there are horror stories and its unfortunate that stuff like that happens. But what i'm curious about is the warrantech warranties. I just got myself a 3 years under $2000 + LCD warranty. I live in canada and got First year Export as well... just to be safe. Thats 300 bucks... it better be worht it..Meanwhile i twiddle my thumbs until the lappy dont get clear from customs

And for the pixel gods :
post #20 of 34
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Originally Posted by FriedToast
Problem is, not everyone's got a replacement computer that they can use. I just happened to've been lucky. I use my notebook everyday at work (more use @ work than at home, actually). If I hadn't had my VAIO for backup, I would've been very bent out of shape (altho' would understand that mine needed to go back due to my particular problem).
This is pretty much the policy for ALL notebook computers (and even regular desktops). If your HDD fails, and it came with the computer, they'll want the entire thing. Generally you can't just take our the HDD and CDRom and send it it fore replacement.

So here's a lesson: expect this from ALL manufacturer.
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