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9860 Display Spec Question...

post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 
My friend just recently bought a 9860, great laptop, the picture quality looks amazing...now, im interested in getting an LCD monitor for my desktop which will give me similar picture quality, brightness, angle view, etc...

if anyone has suggests please help out...

also if anyone has the specs on the 9860 Display...interms of...

- Specifications -

Panel Type: TFT Active Matrix LCD
Native Resolution: ?
Pixel Pitch: ?
Brightness: ?
Contrast Ratio: ?
Response Time: ?
View Angle: ?

which LCD monitor, would get my similar quality to the 9860, cheapest also would be great. thx alot.

hi.
post #2 of 23
Thread Starter 
nobody know the specs fo the LC diplay on the 9860
post #3 of 23
The model number is LP171W02 This is the link to the manufacturers (LG-Philips) technical description is...

http://www.lgphilips-lcd.com/en/prod...g=view&idx=181

But here's a snipit...

Panel Type: TFT Active Matrix LCD
Native Resolution: 1680x1050
Pixel Pitch: 0.219(116)
Brightness(Luminance[cd/m2]): 170(tpy 5p)
Contrast Ratio: 400:1
Response Time: 25ms
View Angle: 120/140
post #4 of 23
Thread Starter 
Thank you soo much sir, you have been a great deal of help.

this is exactly what i was looking for.
post #5 of 23
Thread Starter 
what regular LCDs you feel would be equivalent to monitor on the 9860?
post #6 of 23
Quote:
Response Time: 25ms
Well...that kinda sucks. :\ I was hoping that maybe, just maybe, ghosting wouldn't bother me too much...but at 25ms, I know it's going to drive me nuts.

Even 12ms LCDs don't really do it for me. Ah well, I hate LCDs...but at least the one on the 9860 should be extremely crisp, clean, and large.
post #7 of 23
I haven't noticed any ghosting yet in HL2 or Lineage ][
post #8 of 23
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Originally Posted by Zypherys
I haven't noticed any ghosting yet in HL2 or Lineage ][
No ghosting in EQ2 or Far Cry...
post #9 of 23
I too was hoping for something in the sub 16ms range...
post #10 of 23
No way the 9860's LCD is 25ms. My ViewSonic LCD for my desktop has a 25ms response time, and the ghosting effects of it are largely noticable. I've had no issues with ghosting on my 9860.
post #11 of 23
According to PCTorque's 9860 review the model number is an LP171W02, and according to the manufacturers website it IS 25ms, but I agree - it doesn't appear to suffer from any ghosting, just a little bit of redraw lag from time to time - but to be honest I haven't seen an LCD that doesn't suffer from this (admittedly I haven't seen any of the new 8ms screens yet). Note on the LG-Philips website they also sell a 17" WUXGA screen with the same spec. but running at 1920x1200 of course - probably will turn up as an option for future 9860s.
post #12 of 23
Im trying to find one for my husband.. he liked mine on the 9860 so much, he now hates his CRT.. He wants wide screen and the glossy screen and I haven't had much luck finding them.. checked Newegg..great prices but it looks like all their lcd's are 4:3 either that or they aren't listing all the spec's..

Anyone that knows anything about desktop LCD's.. why are most of them lower res then the Sager LCD yet they still call them SXGA?
post #13 of 23
That's surprising. Everybody is saying how nice, crisp, no-lag-time, etc... the 9860 display is, but comparing the specs with nowadays desktop LCDs show 25ms vs 12/16ms , the nb of colours is also different (262144 vs 16M). Are these two properties thus undetectable ?
post #14 of 23
I will take the users word for it - if there is not any noticable ghosting even though the spec says 25ms...then they are publishing misleading number or someone screwed up (which happens).

25 ms desktop displays are horrible for gaming. If you are looking for a comparable screen for the desktop my guess is you are looking at something in the $500 (if you are EXTREMELY lucky) range and up. I haven't looked into them in a while and don't know the options available, but I don't know any good wide screen options from about 6-7 months ago at all. Samsung was making some of the best affordable 4:3s for a while...don't know anymore. Supposedly the Sager cost on those 9860 screens is around $600 or $700 - read it some where here on the forum in a warranty/replacement thread.
post #15 of 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by GalaxiePete
I will take the users word for it - if there is not any noticable ghosting even though the spec says 25ms...then they are publishing misleading number or someone screwed up (which happens).

25 ms desktop displays are horrible for gaming. If you are looking for a comparable screen for the desktop my guess is you are looking at something in the $500 (if you are EXTREMELY lucky) range and up. I haven't looked into them in a while and don't know the options available, but I don't know any good wide screen options from about 6-7 months ago at all. Samsung was making some of the best affordable 4:3s for a while...don't know anymore. Supposedly the Sager cost on those 9860 screens is around $600 or $700 - read it some where here on the forum in a warranty/replacement thread.
It is a nice screen...for the desktop im going 16ms for gaming or lower.. and 600:1 contrast ratio or higher (going to buy husbands first.. if I really like it i'll buy two..if not i'll keep looking for mine heh) I can give up wide screen if I go 19 inch.. but I really want the glossy screen.. What do the call the lcd's with the clear coat finished.. any term or name I should look for? I've seen anti glare screens.. which makes me think its not the glossy screen I want..
post #16 of 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by Synergi
No ghosting in EQ2 or Far Cry...

Awwww Syn....get away from EQ2 and come join the war!
www.worldofwarcraft.com
post #17 of 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaK
Awwww Syn....get away from EQ2 and come join the war!
www.worldofwarcraft.com
I would..but the character graphics are so painful to look at :P
Im a woman..how I look..even in a game is important to me
post #18 of 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by Synergi
It is a nice screen...for the desktop im going 16ms for gaming or lower.. and 600:1 contrast ratio or higher (going to buy husbands first.. if I really like it i'll buy two..if not i'll keep looking for mine heh) I can give up wide screen if I go 19 inch.. but I really want the glossy screen.. What do the call the lcd's with the clear coat finished.. any term or name I should look for? I've seen anti glare screens.. which makes me think its not the glossy screen I want..
Unfortunately Synergi I don't think glossy desktop LCDs exist yet, at least I've never seen any - advertised or otherwise, they also have a much lower dpi (72 dpi is the standard whereas the WSXGA LCD in the 9860 is 96dpi) which is reflected in the lower resolutions of 17" and 19" desktop LCDs.

GalaxiePete, I've just come accross a very interesting Tom's Hardware article that explains why manufacturers' LCD response time ratings mean little or nothing and can often be misleading, this is the link...

http://graphics.tomshardware.com/display/20031105/

Even though the 9860 is only rated by LG-Philips at 25ms Response Time it appears to perform very well indeed, I've never noticed any ghosting at all. The problem it does suffer from is not response time (which is the time it takes to change the pixels from black to white or from white to black) - but rather the time it takes to refresh/redraw the screen which like all LCD screens is much slower than a good quality CRT monitor, this in turn produces the horizontal tearing that we're accustomed to seeing in First Person Shooters - where the LCD just can't redraw the screen fast enough to keep up with very fast moving images.

If you download the following monitor test software from Passmark...

http://www.passmark.com/products/monitortest.htm

..and run it, when you get to the "Persistence" test you'll see quite clearly how the horizontal tearing worsens on an LCD as the speed at which an image moves across the screen increases (they show several white blocks moving across the screen at different rates, ranging from 100K to 600K pixels/s). This phenomenon is visible at even the slowest rate in the test(100K pixels/s) and is just as apparent with every LCD I've ever come across, I believe it has to do with the refresh/rate (60Hz) of LCD monitors as compared with CRTs which run at much higher rates.
post #19 of 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by andrepeterhill
Unfortunately Synergi I don't think glossy desktop LCDs exist yet, at least I've never seen any - advertised or otherwise, they also have a much lower dpi (72 dpi is the standard whereas the WSXGA LCD in the 9860 is 96dpi) which is reflected in the lower resolutions of 17" and 19" desktop LCDs.

GalaxiePete, I've just come accross a very interesting Tom's Hardware article that explains why manufacturers' LCD response time ratings mean little or nothing and can often be misleading, this is the link...

http://graphics.tomshardware.com/display/20031105/

Even though the 9860 is only rated by LG-Philips at 25ms Response Time it appears to perform very well indeed, I've never noticed any ghosting at all. The problem it does suffer from is not response time (which is the time it takes to change the pixels from black to white or from white to black) - but rather the time it takes to refresh/redraw the screen which like all LCD screens is much slower than a good quality CRT monitor, this in turn produces the horizontal tearing that we're accustomed to seeing in First Person Shooters - where the LCD just can't redraw the screen fast enough to keep up with very fast moving images.

If you download the following monitor test software from Passmark...

http://www.passmark.com/products/monitortest.htm

..and run it, when you get to the "Persistence" test you'll see quite clearly how the horizontal tearing worsens on an LCD as the speed at which an image moves across the screen increases (they show several white blocks moving across the screen at different rates, ranging from 100K to 600K pixels/s). This phenomenon is visible at even the slowest rate in the test(100K pixels/s) and is just as apparent with every LCD I've ever come across, I believe it has to do with the refresh/rate (60Hz) of LCD monitors as compared with CRTs which run at much higher rates.

Oh nice find, im going to try that test on my lcd when it comes back.
Oh Andre, the only company I know of that makes a glossy desktop LCD is Sony.. and with the Sony name comes the Sony price heh.. They have about 3 differenty glossy desktop models at my local Best Buy store.. its the bright view or x bright or which ever one that Sony uses.. Looks way better then the other none glossy models in that store.. one of them is even a 17 wide screen for around 800 bucks..(ouch)
post #20 of 23
Cool! I stand corrected. I know what you mean about Sony prices, ouch.
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