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3d CAD - Ati vs quadro

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
Hi all,
Im doing 3D solid modeling work on +/20 meg files. 3D solids, nurbs surfacing / morphing and some rendering. Industrial product design stuff using Think3 software. (similar to but better than Solidworks) Likely not as intense as 3D studio or Maya animation style rendering. These are solid model parts and assembly files. I have been reading that the NV Quadro graphics cards are better for this sort of thing. Does anybody have any direct experience using a Radeon 9700 in this environment? Im trying to decide if the jump to a system with the NV quadro cards is worth the extra $. The options are much more limited in this department. Seems like the Dell M60 or Alienware are the only few options out there.
I do like the Sager 3790 and it seems like a good value but will I miss not having the Quadro card?
Thanks
post #2 of 19
I'm running Pro/Engineer on my 8600 and it runs perfectly fine... I'm not sure what Think3 has over Pro/E, but so far I haven't had a single problem. Pro/E seems to run even smoother on this machine than on the UNIX workstations if that's of any help to you. I would still consider getting a Quadro over a regular card nevertheless.
post #3 of 19
Traditionally Quadros have been the staple of mainstream AV work well at least those that cant afford higher end cards from 3Dlabs and such so Quadros have certainly been a popular choice not to mention great driver support along with them.
post #4 of 19
Absolutely.
post #5 of 19
Is it possible to put a quadra 700 or 1000 in a i8600?
post #6 of 19
I believe it is possible, but it's difficult to find the chip. If you find some, let me know because I'm interested.
post #7 of 19
You can just buy and install the 128MB Quadro 700 or 1000 Go GL cards that are offered for the Precision M60 in Dells lineup, they are 100% compatible with the i8600. They are quite expensive but you will not find them anywhere else in the correct form factor (unless you get real lucky on ebay). Contact Dell spare parts:

128MB QuadroFX 700 Go GL- Part number 9Y024

128MB QuadroFX 1000 Go GL- Part number T1423

In regards in installation please refer to the FAQ.

Cheers,
Stu
post #8 of 19
Thread Starter 
If you were going to go that route why not just get the Dell M60?
Aaron
post #9 of 19
Hehe... I didn't know about the M60 until after the fact. I'll probably wait until my warranty runs out and then do the swap.
post #10 of 19
I may have a couple spare QFXGo1000s lying around if anyone's really interested...don't remember how much we paid for them, but I recall we got a pretty decent discount as we purchased 14 cards or so.
post #11 of 19

Quadro fx 1000 cards.

Hi Ofelas,

I'm interested if you still have any of these cards around -

I have a radeon 9600 Pro on an 8600, but play few games and do lots of 3D work, so it would be really handy...

cheers,

Richie
post #12 of 19
Hi r23d - no cards left, but an M60 for sale (includes Quadro FXGo1000)
http://notebookforums.com/showthread...114#post748114
post #13 of 19

quadro cards

Quote:
Originally Posted by aaront
Hi all,
Im doing 3D solid modeling work on +/20 meg files. 3D solids, nurbs surfacing / morphing and some rendering. Industrial product design stuff using Think3 software. (similar to but better than Solidworks) Likely not as intense as 3D studio or Maya animation style rendering. These are solid model parts and assembly files. I have been reading that the NV Quadro graphics cards are better for this sort of thing. Does anybody have any direct experience using a Radeon 9700 in this environment? Im trying to decide if the jump to a system with the NV quadro cards is worth the extra $. The options are much more limited in this department. Seems like the Dell M60 or Alienware are the only few options out there.
I do like the Sager 3790 and it seems like a good value but will I miss not having the Quadro card?
Thanks
aaront
I just bought an M70 and it has the FX Go1400 Quadro @ 256 MB. I do Catia V5 designing and I can render (in real time) and it works awesome. If you want to do some sweet rendering for your parts and assy's, get this laptop. It will also handle 200+ assy's with no hang ups and while it is rendered. Think3 is ok, if you want to get into the big bucks, get Catia V5 training and then go look on "www.ceweekly.com" Then you will know the reasons behind going on contract and working direct
post #14 of 19

Cheap quadro 1000 cards from Dell!!!

Hey guys (& girls???),

Just called dell spares to check prices on the T1423 quadro 1000 card, and they sold me one for US$107.42 including Tax!

Only a couple of weeks ago, they quoted $299. I hope it's not some kind of mistake and they're quoting the wrong card... I double checked the number with them though and the price stayed the same so ---

WooHOO!!!! MY 8600 gets a new lease on life!

I guess with the M60 being pulled, they have a few leftover.

Grab 'em while they're hot...

call 877 284 3355 ext 7269937.

P.S. Anyone have a WSXGA screen they want to sell? I'm not fussy about dead pixels...

cheers,

Rich
post #15 of 19
you could just get a i9300 its 6800go is more powerfull then the m70's fx go1400, im not saying the fx go1400 is a bad card just not worth the price of the system just to say you have a quatro fx card lol

i do 3d modeling all day in 3d max 7 (my fav for models) and maya 6.5 and when i was using my i9200 at home to finish stuff up it worked like a charm even with the ati mr9700

i cant wait to get my i9300 as i will then be able to illiminate my desktop all together
post #16 of 19

m70 vs 9300 vs upgrading 8600

Not owning either of these machines, I can't comment for sure, but I gather the M70 should be quicker in 3dsmax and other workstation apps - but perhaps you won't notice this unless you have a really complex scene/model.

I debated buying one of these new machines rather than upgrading my recently ebay-bought 8600, but it seemed like a bit of a hassle and a waste upgrading to a machine I don't really need yet. There is always a better deal around the corner! Like my $100 Quadro 1000 card!!!

BTW with the 35% coupon (still valid till the 30th) 9J2ZRVJR1NZ?L2 both the 9300 and M70 work out REALLY good value, and for a base spec, there is not much price difference between the two, though M70 upgrades are dearer.

You can spec a machine for under $1500 easy (don't forget to check the free port replicator on the M70).

It just depends on what you plan to use the machine for.

For roughly the same money :
The M70 looks stronger, and is smaller
The M70 has a 3 year warranty std
The 9300 has a loveley 17" screen and should game like a demon, though not as quickly as the XPS2 (how fast do you really need to go though anyway?)
The M70 lacks firewire (duh dell!!!) and maybe some other legacy ports you may need (though I think so does the 9300)
The M70 should be faster in demanding workstation apps
Act quick for a quick port replicator on the M70

BUY BUY BUY!!!

The real cost of upgrading is more than just what you spend on the new box tho.

If I put a value on the amount of time I found researching the best options and deals, I could have bought half a dozen new machines ny now, but it's been a lot of fun!

Rich
post #17 of 19
One thing to keep in mind is that it should be possible to mod the GF6800 Go into a Quadro FX1400 - hardware wise they almost identical.

I just made the switch to a Quadro 4000 from a FireGL X2 and driver wise I LOVE the Nvidia card. Simply put, if you are using Studio Max, the Maxtreme drivers rock! I also noticed a lot of memory leaks using my old FireGL drivers. If I had AutoCad, StudioMax, and Photoshop open, and then closed all apps, my machine was slow as a dog until I rebooted it. Overall, both cards are great, but my nod goes to the Quadro if you are doing any 3d work.
post #18 of 19

dell part number T1423 is invalid

Looks like dell made a mistake.

T1423 is not the current part number for the quadro fx go 1000 card, it's a placeholder part number.

My order never arrived and was cancelled.

The correct part number is P1937.

List price is now $399, but if you said a colleague just bought one for $299, you can probably haggle the price down.

I'm awaiting my order confirmation now -

If anyone wants to use me as an example for dell to get the price down, PM me.

cheers,

Richie
post #19 of 19

NV 6800 Go => NV Quadro 1400.... is it really possible?

Has anyone actually done the supposed possible "driver swap" to make a 6800 Go 256MB graphics card (in an Inspiron 9300) effectively "become" a Quadro 1400 (offered in Precision M70). Above it is inferred that this is theoretically possible since the two have a similar design.

I want the bigger screen and port selection offered in the 9300. But I want to run Pro/E occasionally for work. I do not travel extensively but do want the portability to bring the machine into my office by car, if needed.

I have used high end "gaming cards" in the past for Pro/E, with wildly variable results. I've seen results ranging from crashy blue screens and glitchy model appearances all the way up to perfectly fine behavior. I have solved some problems with driver swaps, but this hasn't always worked.

What you are paying for with a "certified" graphics card like a Quadro is an optimized driver and a team of people to check that it works. In the case of Pro/E there is often some sort of certification performed at PTC (who makes Pro/E) to bless the card.

The M70, although an obviously fine machine, has a smaller screen, some ancient ports I will never use, fewer of the USB ports I do use, no DVI output, etc. But it offers that nice certified card .

If anyone has done the alleged driver swap/tweak, I would love to hear the results. And, if anyone has successfully swapped out the complete GPU card itself, that would also be interesting to me. I haven't run into anyone sticking an actual Guadro 1400 into an Inspiron 9300.
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