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post #81 of 207
1/3/05 at 10:45pm
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Originally Posted by Eingang
Was it more quiet than the first fix or is it just the same very high noise level ? Fans work nearly all the time with original firmware, but on a low level, what is absolutely enough, while with the first fan-fix worked full speed all the time, which is unnecessary and killing any good mood.

So my solution up to now is making the cpu hot from the beginning once about half an hour, so temp never reaches lower than 47C and fans keep running in an acceptable speed. When I start my 9860, the wiggling fan always starts correctly, wiggling comes with some of the first 5 re-starts.
Well yes most of the time it was more quiet. When it gets warm the fans kick in on high and then speed varies according to the temp.
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post #82 of 207
1/4/05 at 12:31am
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Originally Posted by RISP
Is there a solution for the fan chirping and temp problem yet other than the flash that runs the fans all the time? How many are running that flash by the way?
I'm running the fix as well. Sure beats the extremely annoying "UP --> DOWN" sound of the fan when it was stuck in "chirp" mode. But the fans do run all the time.

I don't run music at work very often, so I notice it in my office when it's quiet. It's kinda loud, but I idle at 40 C all the time now, rather than 58 C when the fan was stuck in chirp mode.

Still hoping for a permanent fix that is a mix of the two and lets my fans shut down once in a while, but without the "chirping" when it tries to start back up...

- Kbrown
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post #83 of 207
1/4/05 at 5:38am
PCTorque/Sager....Any update? Will there be a correct fix available?

John
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post #84 of 207
1/4/05 at 6:51pm
Well I updated the Firmware and the BIOS via the iso image to make a bootable CDR sent to me by Sager tech support. My 9860 now consistently runs between 41C and 42C. I can confirm that the update leaves the fans on all the time. It is slightly louder than just the one fan running as was the case before the update. I would prefer a better solution that does not require the fans to run all the time because the fans are rather annnoying, however, not unbearable.

Note: Right after I updated the firmware the chirping was worse than ever. I proceeded to update the BIOS as instructed by tech support and then rebooted and have not heard the chirp at all. The only time the fans go off is if you enter standby and then wake the computer. The fans will then remain off until 59 or 60C.
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post #85 of 207
1/5/05 at 2:46pm
Thread Starter 
So here is my latest:
I had not heard anything from Sager regarding my RMA for almost a week since UPS delivered it to them so I emailed them. They told me "the technician flashed it with a new BIOS and that my stuck red pixel was not in the center of the screen" and that "it will be shipped out later today (monday)". I received my system Yesterday (I'm only 36miles from them) with BIOS version 1.00.01b, KB/EC BIOS version 1.00.S3, and I even got some scratches on the top outside portion of the lid.

So in total I lost the usage of my system for 10 days, paid $38 US in shipping, got a new BIOS flashed, denied screen replacement, and 2 very noticeable and large new scratches on the top lid. They did however ship it back in a less molested outter box. Although I can live with that dumb red pixel being stuck, it was pretty darned close to their stuck pixel zone 2inches down and one inch to the left of the webcam. The scratches on the lid are not appreciated at all as every laptop I own is kept in prestine condition. I could have flashed it myself saving 38 bucks and some nasty scratches.
I will say this, the response you get from emailing them is rather nice and quick so I highly recommend that method of communication.

On to the topic at large.
My system temps in a 72f - 76f room have been really low no matter what I do. Basically since the CPU always runs at 3.6GHz (unless unplugged/overheated) it turns on initially with no fan activity. Once the system reaches 60c both fans activate and cool the system to 35c just idling or office/surfing. Once the system turns the fans on they never turn off again, which is fine if you don't mind having a laptop that sounds like a desktop, and from the perspective of fan/component life its better than powering on and off every 10-20 seconds and heating up from 35c-60c over and over. Using headphones or the best laptop speakers i've heard in most cases fan noise is drown out nicely.

Playing EverQuest 1 or 2 the system never went over 49c-50c and the fans never even changed speed, so thumbs up for reliable usage in eventual southern california summertime heat.

Is the BIOS fix worth it? Yes.
This system is running VERY well with a fully clocked desktop processor and even an overclocked graphics card (300/700).
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post #86 of 207
1/5/05 at 4:20pm
Oh guys, I can´t understand how you can accept this noise. Go on like that and they think, this is okay. For me it´s like hell, really like hell. Absolutely and 100% inacceptable. I would have destroyed my 9860 in hate if I couldn´t reverse that BIOS.
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post #87 of 207
1/5/05 at 5:22pm
I admit that it is pretty annoying without music playing.
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post #88 of 207
1/6/05 at 4:59pm
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Originally Posted by Eingang
Oh guys, I can´t understand how you can accept this noise. Go on like that and they think, this is okay. For me it´s like hell, really like hell. Absolutely and 100% inacceptable. I would have destroyed my 9860 in hate if I couldn´t reverse that BIOS.
Doesn't seem that loud to me. It's kind of "White noise" in my opinion. This in comparison to the - what I would almost call - "moaning" of the stupid fan when it would get stuck. Going "UP -> Down" over and over. I couldn't stand that, and it seemed louder to me than the constant fan...

Eingang, is one of your fans maybe broken and that's why it's so loud to you? Mine has a slight high-pitched type ring to it, and I guess it's a little loud, but not the way you seem to describe it.

Maybe you've got Mozart ears? (He supposedly screamed and cried at loud noises.) If so, you should try your hand at writing a symphony.

- Kbrown
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post #89 of 207
1/6/05 at 9:44pm
Hi everyone,

First post, how are you monitoring your temps? Is it a feature on the laptop or are you using a downloaded program. Thanks
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post #90 of 207
1/6/05 at 10:03pm
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Originally Posted by kbrownnd97
Doesn't seem that loud to me. It's kind of "White noise" in my opinion. This in comparison to the - what I would almost call - "moaning" of the stupid fan when it would get stuck. Going "UP -> Down" over and over. I couldn't stand that, and it seemed louder to me than the constant fan...

Eingang, is one of your fans maybe broken and that's why it's so loud to you? Mine has a slight high-pitched type ring to it, and I guess it's a little loud, but not the way you seem to describe it.

Maybe you've got Mozart ears? (He supposedly screamed and cried at loud noises.) If so, you should try your hand at writing a symphony.

- Kbrown
Okay, let me say this vice versa ! It seems you are desktop-damaged or maybe ear-harmed ???? I showed this several people and they all were shocked by the noise. Every normal person feels disturbed by the noise that *fine* H8-Upgrade produces. Of course you can play loud music that makes the noise *disappear* or.... you can work with noisy desktops for years and this will be a massage for your drumheads. But not everyone wants to hear loud music alle the time and not everyone is used to listen to Desktop noise.

And the other thing is, to say it again, this noise is absolutely NOT necessary. If this would be necessary, one could say that things have to be as they have to be. But: This is much too much cooling. Normal cooling design works absolutely fine, just the fan wiggles sometimes.

btw yesterday the smaller fan wiggled and the right one worked.... the other way round....

Clevo should use better quality fans I suggest.
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post #91 of 207
1/6/05 at 10:16pm
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Originally Posted by Eingang
Okay, let me say this vice versa ! It seems you are desktop-damaged or maybe ear-harmed ???? I showed this several people and they all were shocked by the noise. Every normal person feels disturbed by the noise that *fine* H8-Upgrade produces.
I guess that was my point. No one has said a thing about the "loudness" of my laptop. I even asked a few people if they thought the fan was too loud and they said they really hadn't noticed the sound until I brought it up.

My mozart comment was a complement. I used to be a classical musician. Sorry if it seemed mean hearted or something...

Anyway, at least we're keeping this post near the top...

- Kbrown
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post #92 of 207
1/7/05 at 10:34am
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the gpu fan in this thread yet. My laptop seems to be pretty normal in the cpu temp dept, the sawtooth pattern in mobmeter that cycles every 5-10 mins in websurfing. When just the one cpu fan is on, I can't even hear it because it is drowned out by the gpu fan. I don't know if this is just my unit or a trait of the 9860, but my gpu fan runs ALL the time, and its louder than the cpu fan on low. So for me, if I'm always going to have some white noise from the gpu and will never achieve total silence, then I might as well have just a little more white noise and increase the lifetime of my laptop (in theory anyway).
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post #93 of 207
1/7/05 at 10:36am
That shouldn´t be normal. My gpu-fan stays quiet nearly all the time. He´s on from time to time but next to the others he´s not to mention.
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post #94 of 207
1/7/05 at 10:49am
ok I might be looking at it backwards, Isn't the gpu fan the one under the left palmrest?
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post #95 of 207
1/7/05 at 1:12pm
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Originally Posted by jethro9001
ok I might be looking at it backwards, Isn't the gpu fan the one under the left palmrest?
Yes, it is. And mine runs often too, but I really don't hear that one. I can hear it if I get my ear close to it.

It's definitely what I would describe as "white noise". Not loud by any means, IMO.

The CPU fans with the new BIOS are definitely much louder, but still not bad, as I've said in previous posts.

- Kbrown
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post #96 of 207
1/7/05 at 4:50pm
Agreed that sound is not that bad, a little annoying though. But I also have to agree that it is not nessasary for my computer to be running at 37c all the time.
I would sacrifice a few degrees for less noise.
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post #97 of 207
1/8/05 at 1:42pm
Is there any kind of update to this topic?
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post #98 of 207
1/9/05 at 6:49pm
Well, I hate to beat this to death but...

This just in, the fan on the far right just under the keypad still wiggles sometimes even after the BIOS and Firmware updates. Can anyone else confirm?
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post #99 of 207
1/9/05 at 7:31pm
I can confirm that the left fan wiggled once even with this hardcore firmware update - so I guess this can also happen with the right one. But I didn´t use the update long enough and I found right fan wiggling just once anyway.

But I can confirm 100% that the left fan always starts working when temp reaches 70C !!!

btw I feel the reason for these problems are low quality fans
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post #100 of 207
1/9/05 at 7:59pm
You would think that a $2500++ laptop would have quality fans.
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