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Apple to drop sub-$500 Mac bomb at Expo

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December 28, 2004 - With iPod-savvy Windows users clearly in its sights, Apple is expected to announce a bare bones, G4-based iMac without a display at Macworld Expo on January 11 that will retail for $499, highly reliable sources have confirmed to Think Secret.

The new Mac, code-named Q88, will be part of the iMac family and is expected to sport a PowerPC G4 processor at a speed around 1.25GHz. The new Mac is said to be incredibly small and will be housed in a flat enclosure with a height similar to the 1.73 inches of Apple's Xserve. Its size benefits will include the ability to stand the Mac on its side or put it below a display or monitor.

Along with lowering costs by forgoing a display (Apple's entry-level eMac sells for $799 with a built-in 17-inch CRT display), the so-called "headless" iMac will allow Apple's target audience -- Windows users looking for a cheap, second PC -- to keep their current peripherals or decide on their own what to pair with the system, be it a high-priced LCD display or an inexpensive display. Sources expect the device to feature both DVI and VGA connectivity, although whether this will be provided through dual ports or through a single DVI port with a VGA adapter remains to be seen.

The new Mac is expected to have a Combo drive only, but will possibly have an upgrade path to a SuperDrive at a higher price. It is unclear how big the hard drive capacity will be, although sources indicate it will be between 40GB and 80GB.

Other expected features of the iMac include:

* 256MB of RAM
* USB 2.0
* FireWire 400
* 10/100 BASE-T Ethernet
* 56K V.92 modem
* AirPort Extreme support

In terms of software, Apple will include a special iLife suite (minus iDVD) as well as AppleWorks, sources believe.

The new Mac is expected to be introduced by Apple CEO Steve Jobs at his keynote address on Tuesday, January 11, but is not expected to be available until later in the first quarter. Sources indicate "issues" have arisen in production of the new Mac, but that Apple never planned on shipping the new device immediately upon introduction. The plan is to air freight the new model from its manufacturing plants in Asia for at least the first three months of shipments, sources report.

The announcement of the new, inexpensive Mac will be a dream come true for Mac aficionados who have begged and pleaded for years to see just such a PC. Until now, the company has downplayed speculation that it would get into the low-end PC market. "In terms of our pricing, I feel very good about where each of our product lines are priced," Peter Oppenheimer, Apple's CFO, said in October. "To date, we have chosen not to compete in the sub-$800 desktop market and have put that R&D investment in expanding our products in the music area, in software, and in hardware."

So what has changed to motivate Apple in producing a low-cost Mac? In a word, iPod.

"Think of your traditional iPod owner," said a source. "This new product will be for a Windows user who has experienced the iPod, the ease of use of the iTunes software, and has played around with a Mac at an Apple retail store just long enough to know he'd buy one if it were a little cheaper."

Apple executives announced on October 13 that 45% to 50% of its retail store customers bought a Mac as their first PC or were new to the platform in the fiscal fourth-quarter. The company has refused to divulge more exacting figures on iPod buyers who also buy a Mac, for competitive reasons.

According to sources, internal Apple surveys of its retail store customers and those buying iPods showed a large number of PC users would be willing to buy a Mac if it were cheap enough, less of a virus carrier than PCs (which all Macs already are), and offered easier to use software solutions not available on Windows-based PCs. Now, Apple feels it has the answer.

Apple has been working on the low-end Mac for almost a year, sources report. Indications are Apple has been working mostly on finding the right mix of price, performance and features that would motivate Windows users to consider a Mac, and less on the actual engineering of the product. "It doesn't take a rocket scientist to design a bare-bones PC," said one source familiar with the project. "What it takes is a team of marketing and software experts to find the right mix to convince Windows users to buy a Mac at a price that is not much more than the cost of an iPod."

Sources familiar with the product cautioned that the low-end Mac will be marketed towards a totally different audience than those who traditionally buy even a $799 eMac. "This product is not going to be about performance," said a source close to Apple. "This is going to be the basics, but with just as much of a focus on software as any Mac could ever be."

http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0412expo2.html

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/d...230071126.html
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And you could always add more Ram
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wow,I will be STUNNED if they do that and the specs are anything NEAR decent.. i.e. hd space is towards the larger side.. and teh vid card is decent (which it won't be).. then again.. think of the dell you get for 399-499... i'd buy one.. if only to stay up on os x server..

anyway. we'll see but i'm not buying it will be that cheap at this point.
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1.25ghz...low end graphics...external power supply....256mb....no DVD....40-80gb hard drive. for $499.

That's very unimpressive. And that AppleInsider says it might be as high as $600 is even less impressive.
http://appleinsider.com/article.php?id=802

But I'm sure it will be really cute and come in some shade of ivory or a pastel color for the cult members to buy. And maybe U2 or some other sellout band will sing a song for them, too.

Another great marketing ploy by Apple to take another .008% of the market from windows PCs. I understand they want iPod users to buy these as 2nd PCs, but what would the rationale be? I like iPods so I'll buy a really low end Apple PC to run iTunes on? It matches my iPod? I have $500 burning a hole in my pocket?

Apple loves being the niche PC and until they really want a piece of the real market, they will always be a niche player.
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Originally Posted by CoffeeShark
1.25ghz...low end graphics...external power supply....256mb....no DVD....40-80gb hard drive. for $499.

That's very unimpressive. And that AppleInsider says it might be as high as $600 is even less impressive.
http://appleinsider.com/article.php?id=802

But I'm sure it will be really cute and come in some shade of ivory or a pastel color for the cult members to buy. And maybe U2 or some other sellout band will sing a song for them, too.

Another great marketing ploy by Apple to take another .008% of the market from windows PCs. I understand they want iPod users to buy these as 2nd PCs, but what would the rationale be? I like iPods so I'll buy a really low end Apple PC to run iTunes on? It matches my iPod? I have $500 burning a hole in my pocket?

Apple loves being the niche PC and until they really want a piece of the real market, they will always be a niche player.
I agree, 499$ American for that crap? I can put together a comp with better specs at 499$ Canadian.
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Originally Posted by JFvergara
I agree, 499$ American for that crap? I can put together a comp with better specs at 499$ Canadian.
agreed.

though, i can see apple grabing a good market share. let me explain myself. a 1.25 ghz low end G4.. most P4 users will puke (because they think higher is better) but the boys at the apple store will make sure to prove to them that the G4 is so much more efficient than the P4 that a 1.25 G4 is equal or better than a 3.4GHz P4. and main stream computer users (roughly 90% of PC market...95% of apple market) they are just STUPID.

low end video, shouldn't be a problem. i mean as of right now they are passing off a 32mb ati 9200 in the ibook as a GREAT gpu, its a good gpu, for 3 or 4 years ago, sorry, but not today it isn't. also, i was watching tv today and saw a few dell ads and they proudly annonced "dell pcs are powered by intel celeron processors" and stupid people think that celeron is good, so they buy.

low ram, it is an easily upgradable feature, most people will upgrade, those who wont dont even know what RAM is.

combo drive is more than enough, 90% of most users don't need a DVD-+RW, especialy in their 2nd PC.

why even look at it? the iPod. A typical users rational is "i have this pod, its the coolest thing ever, so if my pod comes from apple, their computers much be cool too. my pod is made to work with itunes and apple. yeah it works in windows but there are so many problems with it occasionaly, so if i get it's native platform, everything will be perfect plug-n-play and i don't have to worry about anything. besides, i played with a iBook in the Apple Store when buying an ipod, got addicted to Mac OS X...most creative OS in teh world, blah blah blah.."

you are reading that and laughing your arse of eh? but that is exactly what typical users think.

apple will get their goal, they'll sell a few of these.

but there always will be more "advanced" users like us laughing at them

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Originally Posted by abf
you are reading that and laughing your arse of eh? but that is exactly what typical users think.
I would think you are crazy.... but I work on computers with computer illiterate people... they do think like that. One day I spend a while in an Apple computer store and was amazed at how they sold macs. I saw two go out the door to people who did not have a clue.

And I don't give a crap what anyone thinks... but S. Jobs is the BEST CEO on the planet.
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My brother-in-law works in the Genius Bar at the Apple store in Manhattan. He says that about 60 percent of the people that come in there and buy ibooks, buy them only because the ibooks are 'cute and white'. they have absolutely no idea anything about them, just that they look cute.
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Whoa! Is that a computer or the 2005 Webtv? Sounds just like a Webtv unit.
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We're at the stage where you can go and buy a £80 dual P3-733 computer off ebay, plus say a £60 monitor (or £130 for a 17 inch TFT) here in the UK. Guess what, that would be fast enough for 80% of people out there.

All the people in this thread, having a go at stuff, what do you use computers for? Gaming? Fine, you will always need cutting edge. Programming? Database work? Also gonna need cutting edge.

Most other things..? Web browsing? Email? Writing letters? A P2-400 can do that, and when were they released? I built my first computer in 1999 and that was a K6-2/500. Ran windows 2000 okay. Ran Internet Exploder okay. And XP is a little faster in many ways, right???

So...user stupidity aside (and lets be honest, based on the above they can AFFORD a little stupidity), where can you go wrong? You go wrong by spending £1400 on a new machine (unless like you or me you know exactly what you are getting, and yes there will be something better in 3-6 months).

Dodgy graphics card in the headless iMac? (No-iMac, ha, ha), well yeah probably...but I reckon it'll play World of Warcraft "okay" at 1024x once Blizzard/Apple/etc have a few more patches done (and I live in Europe so it doesn't matter to me until February anyway!).

Very easy to scorn average users, but....iBooks ARE cute and white ;-) I used to have one. But it did feel slow at 700MHz compared to a 700 Celery...

But 1.25GHz G4? Fast enough for me UNLESS I'm working (fine, my company got me a Toshiba M30/1.8) or gaming (currently playing Warcraft 3, which would run fine....it just about ran on my iBook 700/Radeon Mobility; gonna get WoW which will be a different matter...and I have an Athlon 64-2800+ machine..which I'm on now....which is NOISY). And for....well it'll probably be something like £400 with 256Mb. With OS, keyboard and mouse (which I'll sell on Fleabay). Add in a gig of ram and better hard drive and away we go, a nice quiet machine for general use with none of the hassle of updating AdAware and ZoneAlarm and AntiVir and Windows Update and Spybot and defragging and.....

Yeah well I love computers so I don't mind all the crap, but hey.

My word, what a long first post!
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If it was a laptop, then you'd be talking. But an $800+ (with screen) desktop isn't that spectacular, cuteness aside.

Steve
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if they made a PB-spec lappy for $1000 less, i'd take a look.
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Hello! Here's where we have to give Dell its just deserved props. They're making this out to sound like this is the only sub-$500 computer in history when the Dell Dimension 2400 (which is a pretty decent deal) has been out for more than a year. F*&$ Apple!!
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Um..WHO is making this out to be the first sub $500 computer? Not Apple, everything released so far is a rumour and NOT an official press release (11th Jan is when everything/anything/nothing will be announced).

Apple is responding to demand, no?
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Originally Posted by abf
you are reading that and laughing your arse of eh? but that is exactly what typical users think.
I've had someone ask me how to "put more DOS in his computer" because it was "running slow." What you've said is more than logical for the computer illiterate.
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lol, too funny. I am actually cracking up as I read this post. Its kind of said how stupid some people are when it comes to computers too. Its not like its hard to learn. A good book and a few spare hours not spent watching TV could teach them all they need to be at a passable level... Anyway, in regard to the Apple, I think its a smart move from a bussiness standpoint. Many of the people who own macs own them because :

a. They like the way they look and can afford them
b. Have owned them for years and haven't switched
c. Like the "user friendlyness (give me a break )

I'd be willing to bet that few people really need more power than this new computer offers, especially the targets: confused un-educated windows users who expect their computer to teach them how to use computers and read manuals for hours to figure out what they grey button with the funny circle does.

DISCLAIMER: Im no expert in regards to macs user base, so if more people than I thought need the power, please correct me.
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Originally Posted by aesoprock_00
My brother-in-law works in the Genius Bar at the Apple store in Manhattan. He says that about 60 percent of the people that come in there and buy ibooks, buy them only because the ibooks are 'cute and white'. they have absolutely no idea anything about them, just that they look cute.
Lemme guess... most of that 60 percent are women.
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Originally Posted by twopiece
Lemme guess... most of that 60 percent are women.
the only reason my best friend (she is a 15 y/o girl) likes her ibook (G4 14") is because its "cute" (she got it as a hand-me-down from her brother). I told her, sell it on ebay and get a real laptop, but she kept it due to it's "cuteness", all her previous computers were Windows-based, though she had some minor mac knowledge due the fact that our (middle and high) school use macs (iMacs G3 G4 and G5, eMacs G4, iBooks G3 and G4, G5 Desktop, G4 PB.....if apple makes it, my HS owns at least one dozen of em.
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I'm a recent and learning to be proud owner of a 12" iBook, 1.2Ghz, total price $922 after rebate from Amazon, before tossing in 512MB of RAM and a 7k60, another ~$250. Check my review in the review section if you are interested. My cute white toy has surpised me in a lot of ways. Mind you, I didn't buy it being uninformed, I chose for good reasons, which have only been proven out through its use and then some. If this new sub $500 can do as much as my iBook can, given their similar specs for processor speed and memory, uninformed people will be getting a good deal.

Yesterday I helped my parents pick out a new computer, a pretty sweet emachines rig. (the Bios ROM on my old Abit BH6 w/ a 300a->450 celery finally went bad, and the parents were willing to get one b4 business closed down for NYE). For $600 they got an athlon xp 3200+, 512MB, 160GB 7200 rpm, dvd 8x rw with dual layer, and geforce 4mx video chip (i can actually game when i'm home for the holidays! yes i've tried UT2k4 @ 800x600, and it'll get me by). even tho the athlon is getting dated it's still nothing to spit at, these are some pretty sweet specs to have in a base system likely to be used for word processing, checking email, surfing, and some business apps. my parents have yet to burn a CD much less a DVD on the 2800+ machine they got last year.

hmm, hold on a sec i'm gonna go throw some divx encoding at it...k, i'm throwing a 6GB file over the network from my iBook and still able to use the rest of my OS. I'm sure we all know what happens in Windows anytime you try and copy/move a large file right? and just for kicks WHILE transferring the file I've decided to open Word (and edit some documents), Photoshop (and am running various filters and effects), and Entourage to check on my spam (Microsoft's Mac version of Outlook), and tab thru the apps randomly..funny how there's no lag while switching between the applications. Sh*te, maybe I should switch off my IM programs and bit torrent. since i don't have cable, aside from the broadband, i have to settle for bit tivorrent. Hmm well since I'm still able to chat w/ everyone w/o issue i guess i'll leave it be. The file mind you, is an Mpeg-2 which I'm dropping from my iBook into the PC's shared folder, all networked over my router. heh, let's see what happens when i play some tunes...hehe, no delay in the application loading and no stuttering in the audio! 5 gigs down, 1 to go! ok done. =) Now time for the divx encoding <carrying cute white 5lb toy to the new computer>. as noted in my review, the OS (X) is as usable as what I've just described while encoding video to divx. not just dvd content, mind u, RAW 32GB video files, like buttah, which was before i put in the extra RAM and the zippy HD.

ok, just started encoding that 6GB mpeg-2 on the new Windows XP system. it started out well. menus were snappy and popped up eagerly , then i clicked on internet explorer...and 30 seonds later i got the homepage, the emachines homepage w/ about 3 things on it to render and process, i clicked on AOL too (parents use it)...it's still loading 45 seconds later, mouse is now stuttering and jerking around the screen like a drunk, there are times if i let it settle into a program where it'll be smooth, but anytime i switch apps or try and go to the start menu or taskbar, stutter, jerk, etc. word just took 25 seconds to load, with a new and bare document. maybe i should play some tunes? do some photoshop?

yeh, u know i get what some of you are saying... why the F would ppl buy a machine w/ these kinds of specs? mor%ns i tell you, mor*ns! hah! i scoff and fart in the general direction of someone who would pay $600 for this sort of functionality and not even know wth do w/ it! complete mor#ns! they'll barely get by! how are they going to cope?! <puts down sarcasm>

k, i'm done. i need to go play some more w/ my new toy, since the new desktop is gonna be getting it's divx groove on for the next 2.5+ hours. guess it works out since i have a cheap 2nd toy to use for when i need to play with the rest of the work i have to get done.

now when i get home from the holidays, i'll be pimp slapping ppl like crazy in UT2k4 on my own Athlon desktop whenever i get the chance, but till then i'll have to deal w/ the white cuteness of what i have in front of me...hope i'll be able to get by w/ such a cheap POS.

Happy New Year People! =D
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Congratulations. You've demonstrated the use of multi-threading, the lack of which is the biggest deficiency of Athlon XP and 64 chips. This Pentium 4 (2.80 GHz Northwood w/ HT+2 gigs RAM+gigabyte Ethernet+Radeon 9800 Pro) will do that, too. That's one of the reasons people are so excited about multi-core processors. That means that people will be able to get that kind of multi-tasking out of Athlon 64s, as well as out of Pentium 4s.

Incidentally, I've run Unreal Tournament 2004 at 1600x1200, every last bit of eye candy turned on, with music in the background, AIM on, and Bittorrent seeding a few movies I made of myself playing the Devil May Cry 3 demo. UT2004 didn't stutter, except for when it minimized because someone decided to AIM me. The music never stuttered or skipped in the background. The game's sounds all came through without a stutter. I've also left Firefox on while doing that before. Ah, and Gmail notifier, too. Average framerate during this? 40-60+, depending on where I was looking.

What you're saying is reasonably impressive, but it's hardly unique to Macintosh systems.
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