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post #21 of 49
1/1/05 at 5:02pm
Are the amd64 notebooks, that are now available already the low voltage rocessors, or is it still the old one, with about the same heat?

What is the actually differens between the p4 and the amd 64??

how mutch more heat do the p4 produce, compared to the amd64??

amd how mutch difference is there in the preformance??

Sorry about the bad english. (Is not my native language.)
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post #22 of 49
1/1/05 at 5:07pm
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A new amd notebook should use the 939 chipset, which runs at i believe 1.5 Volts. The P4s range from 1.25 volts all the way to 1.75 if i recall correctly.
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post #23 of 49
1/1/05 at 7:05pm
AMD isn't shifting away from Socket 754 in notebooks (and I don't know why.) However, I wouldn't be too surprised to see a desktop mobo and processor stuck into a 9860 case, or something similar. (90 nm process desktop processor, of course, for the 32w processors) I think the idea is to increase the customer's feeling of safety (it should be upgradeable for a long time.)
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post #24 of 49
1/1/05 at 9:06pm
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I personally would like to see the 939 in a notebook
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post #25 of 49
1/1/05 at 9:52pm
the amd's do not have heat problems its the case that clevo used to make the 4750. The 47xx cases are known to have cooling problems. If it had been placed in a 87xx case there probably wouldn't be any heat problems at all. The 87xx cases cool down much better and i'd say are much better. They could have provided raid in the 4750 if they used a 87xx case, which i would have got for sure.

As for the AMD64 with x800, it'd be great to see it soon and the 98xx case would probably provide enough cooling for the case. I beleive however if they can get some active cooling for the hard drives it'd be great to help cool down the laptops. Active cooling for the cpu, hdd, and vid card would greatly reduce the heat. They should use a 12cell battery to get the most bat. life they can cuz some ppl wud like it some ppl wudn't but but its not a bad thing to have. The 939 processor's would be great. Less heat, less voltage would make the fans come on less and use the battery less too which would be perfect for a laptop.
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post #26 of 49
1/1/05 at 10:29pm
Don't forget WUXGA.
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post #27 of 49
1/1/05 at 10:31pm
17" glossy screen with wuxga or wsxga :P
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post #28 of 49
1/2/05 at 4:01am
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Originally Posted by CRJT
I personally would like to see the 939 in a notebook
So would I and everyone else purchasing notebooks now, as we could get a notebook with dual channel RAM and an Athlon 64 processor, which we can't (to my knowledge) get with socket 754. However, AMD's 64-bit motto is "buy for the future!" As a result, they're stuck with 754 if they don't want to make people who were planning on processor upgrades angry. That's what I'm thinking that the problem is.

Of course, that's patently ridiculous, as they demonstrated by switching with what seems to have been a rather small amount of fuss in the desktop market, and people who bought notebooks with non-upgradeable graphics cards (and no upgradeable notebooks carried Athlon 64 processors that I know of) don't care about non-upgradeable CPUs, in all likelihood.

I'm hoping that they have a better reason, but I can't think of one.
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post #29 of 49
1/2/05 at 4:03am
Oh, and the lower power usage isn't because of the move to socket 939. It's because of the move to a 90 nm "Winchester" process. They should be able to get the same results in Socket 754...Or so I think. Dun. Dun. D'dun.
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post #30 of 49
1/2/05 at 4:42am
In this article they are testing an engineering sample of a Cleveo notebook with the X800 in it. However it is fitted with an Intel P4 CPU. So most likely we will see Intel versions before we see an AMD64 + X800 notebook, if ever... Would be more then happy if I'm wrong though.

http://www.beyond3d.com/previews/ati/m28/index.php?p=3
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post #31 of 49
1/2/05 at 4:57am
The whole point of the mobile move to PCI-Express graphics is module-based graphics (MxM and AxIOM). That means upgradeable and swappable graphics. The x800 and 6800 would both be options on an AMD-based 9860 type, just like the x800 will be an option on the 9860 itself once it's readily enough available.
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post #32 of 49
1/2/05 at 12:57pm
Does anyone know if there is an AMD64 mobo out there that takes > 2 Gb RAM? I'm a programming consultant/instructor, and would legitimately use it to demo MS and IBM web services on the same box.
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post #33 of 49
1/2/05 at 3:57pm
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Originally Posted by PackBjammin
Does anyone know if there is an AMD64 mobo out there that takes > 2 Gb RAM? I'm a programming consultant/instructor, and would legitimately use it to demo MS and IBM web services on the same box.
The Chaintech VNF3-250 Socket-754 nForce3 and VNF4 Socket-939 nForce4 mainboards should support up to 4GB DDR memory.

Links:
http://www.chaintechusa.com/tw/eng/p...o=13&PISNo=276
http://www.chaintechusa.com/tw/eng/p...o=13&PISNo=318

If you look for Opteron mainboards, Tyan is the first address.

Ciao
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post #34 of 49
1/2/05 at 7:24pm
I was reading about the amd64 and the p4 and now i m finally confused.

If you have 2 equal notebooks, one with a p4 and one with an equaly amd64
wich runs hotter??

and how big is the difference??

And are there different amd64???

what is better for gaming?


Please help!!
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post #35 of 49
1/2/05 at 7:34pm
Predator, this is no simple answer by any means and anyone who can give you a response in under 5 pages is probably jumping to conclusions. Google the topic and read some professional and scientific studies.
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post #36 of 49
1/2/05 at 7:39pm
The Athlon 64 will run cooler. Considerably so, particularly with one of the 90nm process A64s. There are multiple kinds of Athlon 64 processors, with the most common (by far) in notebooks being the Athlon 64 for Desktop Replacement Notebooks model with an 82w TDP and the best heat and battery performer being the Athlon 64 for Thin and Light notebooks with a 35w TDP and a "Lancaster" core successor coming soon (sometime this year.) Athlon 64s are better for gaming, with a single exception - running other applications simultaneously.
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post #37 of 49
1/4/05 at 1:15am
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Yes. The athlons do run cooler, again, they are really a good chip for laptops, cool and low power, still not sure why you don't see more of them around....

hopefully we will soon though
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post #38 of 49
1/5/05 at 1:57pm
this topic died pretty quick. im beginning to doubt that we'll ever see the X800 paired with the AMD 64...we'd be lucky to see the X800 to come out anytime soon as well
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post #39 of 49
1/5/05 at 2:03pm
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Originally Posted by kokoro
Lover of AMD for my built rigs... but...

AMD = Heat!

So difficult for laptops, but maybe new water cooling systems for these Laptops will be around the corner? especially people not minding them more bulky for performance!
Er, you haven't heard of Prescott?
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post #40 of 49
1/5/05 at 3:59pm
OK where's the announce post of the AMD64 + X800 (or Go6800)? It's 2005 already, tick tock, tick tock.
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