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post #61 of 269
2/17/05 at 5:05pm
Too many posts so i just read the lastpage.
It is definetly not the next XPS. It looks more like a successor to 9100.
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post #62 of 269
2/17/05 at 6:01pm
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Originally Posted by aragorneo
It is definetly not the next XPS. It looks more like a successor to 9100.
Rather a successor to 9200.
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post #63 of 269
2/17/05 at 6:04pm
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Originally Posted by SirBA
what is it with that centrino

i dont understand dell how can yuou put 533mhz ram with a centrino shite, and 256mb 6800

centrino shouldn't have used

9300 it is not like an XPS

gen2 no no i won't accept that
You definitely need to research the Pentium M a little bit. There are plenty of benchmarks floating around that show pentium M's are just as fast as top of the line pentium 4's. A 2ghz pentium M with a 400mhz coupled with the same desktop parts as a desktop computer will match a pentium 4 3.4ghz in game benchmarks. The Pentium M is a bit slower at encoding jobs and serious number crunching, but it's still easily in the same league as the top desktop processors.

Considering that and a geforce 6800 Go ultra (16 pixel pipelines), there's no way you can ask for better performance. Something like that will be comparable to everything but desktop SLI systems I'm guessing. Time will tell whether that guy's information is the truth, and just how much butt a system like that will kick.
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post #64 of 269
2/17/05 at 6:09pm
What do you have against a Pentium M?
I know it’s not as easy to over clock as a P4. But someone will figure it out.
And it gains are lower heat (GPU will make up for it) and a lot longer battery life.

I am genuinely curious.

The i9200 2.0Ghz M with MR9700 has faster 3Dmark scores than a i9100 3.0Ghz P4 with same MR9700.

I know you can now get a P4 3.8Ghz yet only a 2.13Ghz M, so is that the problem?

Edit: Posted at the same time as prior post.
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post #65 of 269
2/17/05 at 6:27pm
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Originally Posted by DaddyOf2Girls
What do you have against a Pentium M?
I know it’s not as easy to over clock as a P4. But someone will figure it out.
And it gains are lower heat (GPU will make up for it) and a lot longer battery life.

I am genuinely curious.

The i9200 2.0Ghz M with MR9700 has faster 3Dmark scores than a i9100 3.0Ghz P4 with same MR9700.

I know you can now get a P4 3.8Ghz yet only a 2.13Ghz M, so is that the problem?

Edit: Posted at the same time as prior post.
No! Megahertz is not a fair performance comparison any more. The pentium M, despite having a lower clock speed, sports a 2 megabyte cache-- four times the size of the pentium 4's cache. In addition, the P-M has a lot of enhancements that make it a far more efficient processor than the pentium 4. All of this comes at lower power requirements and less heat.
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post #66 of 269
2/17/05 at 6:33pm
Thread Starter 
C'mon, guys, the answer is obvious:

1) P4's are in desktops. P-M's are not. Therefore P-M's suck and P4 rulez!
2) P4's clock at a higher frequency. Bigger is better!
3) P4's have a faster FSB, and access memory faster. Yeah, who cares that P-M's have a much bigger cache, and that means memory access is usually even faster than P4's. Faster FSB rulez!
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post #67 of 269
2/17/05 at 6:49pm
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Originally Posted by |-007-|
No! Megahertz is not a fair performance comparison any more.
Exactly. To this crowd the only thing that really matters is 3Dmark numbers.
So can someone solve this eqauazition?

2.0GhzM >= 3.0Ghz P4 (in 3Dmarks)
then
?.?GhzM >= 3.8 Ghz P4

Other variables:
Is there PCI-Express chipset compatible with a P4 that will run
"geforce 6800 Go ultra (16 pixel pipelines)", I have to assume so. But if not then the Pentium M is a obvious choice for Dell if they want that card from nVidia.
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post #68 of 269
2/17/05 at 6:55pm
Thread Starter 
Games are not CPU bound, so a faster proc won't do much for your 3dmark score. Very few apps are CPU bound these days. Maybe if you're simulating weather or something.

And, yes, there are already lappies with P4 + PCI-express GDDR3 6800's. But they run hot, suck batteries like crazy, and weigh 12+ lbs.
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post #69 of 269
2/17/05 at 7:09pm
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Originally Posted by dellbert
Games are not CPU bound, so a faster proc won't do much for your 3dmark score. Very few apps are CPU bound these days. Maybe if you're simulating weather or something.
On that note the conversations brings us back to my original question:

What do you have against a Pentium M?

(This questions is not really aimed at you, dellbert )
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post #70 of 269
2/17/05 at 7:14pm
Thread Starter 
Hey, hypothetical question for you. If somebody sent you a picture of the XPS Gen 2, would you:

1) Just post it already
2) Keep it to yourself
3) Issue a press release to bring more attention to PC Torque, the fine folks who host this board
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post #71 of 269
2/17/05 at 7:18pm
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Originally Posted by dellbert
Hey, hypothetical question for you. If somebody sent you a picture of the XPS Gen 2, would you:

1) Just post it already
2) Keep it to yourself
3) Issue a press release to bring more attention to PC Torque, the fine folks who host this board
Evil with the loaded question......
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post #72 of 269
2/17/05 at 7:24pm
Thread Starter 
OK, I am about to incur the wrath of Dell. But, I've already experienced their Customer Service. What more could they do to me?

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post #73 of 269
2/17/05 at 7:27pm
In normal cases, CPU does not affect games (because the gpu is the bottle-neck) however 3dmark HAS cpu stress tests where the CPU is the bottleneck. If Centrino-certified laptops get higher 3dmark scores, then that means that the centrinos are better adapted to run the test, nothing more, nothing less. I would say the same thing if the p4 got higher scores.

And SirBa you need to stop telling people centrino-laptops suck. You have been confronted about this in so many threads and never bother to reply to enquiries about what you base this on. Stop telling lies.
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post #74 of 269
2/17/05 at 7:29pm
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Originally Posted by dellbert
OK, I am about to incur the wrath of Dell. But, I've already experienced their Customer Service. What more could they do to me?
Looks like an i9200 / i9300 from where I sit. trying to see the ports on the back better.
Do you have a higher rez image that you can see it better on?
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post #75 of 269
2/17/05 at 7:30pm
cool pic... assuming it's real.

looks thinner than the current xps/i9100. honestly i like the simple 9200 chassis more.
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post #76 of 269
2/17/05 at 7:31pm
Thread Starter 
It is a 9300 with a different color scheme and a hax0rz LCD cover. Just as I predicted
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post #77 of 269
2/17/05 at 7:32pm
really? it looks totally different than a 9200... maybe it's just the angle.
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post #78 of 269
2/17/05 at 8:15pm
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Originally Posted by dellbert
OK, I am about to incur the wrath of Dell.
DellB? you still alive? has Dell unleashed its wrath on you yet?
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post #79 of 269
2/17/05 at 9:07pm
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Originally Posted by DaddyOf2Girls
Looks like an i9200 / i9300 from where I sit. trying to see the ports on the back better.
Do you have a higher rez image that you can see it better on?
Also looks like the "Car Modz" people got ahold of it. That thing is a Crappicino with a Double shot of Ugly....
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post #80 of 269
2/17/05 at 9:21pm
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Originally Posted by DaddyOf2Girls
Exactly. To this crowd the only thing that really matters is 3Dmark numbers.
So can someone solve this eqauazition?

2.0GhzM >= 3.0Ghz P4 (in 3Dmarks)
then
?.?GhzM >= 3.8 Ghz P4

Other variables:
Is there PCI-Express chipset compatible with a P4 that will run
"geforce 6800 Go ultra (16 pixel pipelines)", I have to assume so. But if not then the Pentium M is a obvious choice for Dell if they want that card from nVidia.
I tryed solving this equation, idk if its right though but it look to me like its pretty beliveable. In solving this i got that the pentium-m eqivilant to a 3.8 GHz P4 processor is 2.53 GHZ. If you need some explaining in this just ask.


But It sounds correct doesnt it?
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