BEWARE!!! I'VE BEEN SCAMMED! Please Read! - Page 4

Lawson: !!!!!!!!


Why is this guy buying all these laptops anyway? Is his entire MO to buy and sell stuff, while scamming the occasional poor honest trader?

I hope someone realy give it to this guy as he need something really bad to happen to him

It really sucks that one man can steal for over a year and not be put in prison.

I would recommend contacting everyone that he has stolen from. Find all his identities and search all his posts. Conact site admins and ask for access to information (like bad feedback) on accounts the thief has closed.

Save to hard disk all of his deals, threads, other info. Flag all deals where he has stolen from someone. Print these all out for making a book. Start correspondence with everyone he has scammed. Have everyone that was scammed write up a synopsis of what happened and save that to hard disk and put copy in your book. Collect all information you can about this joker.

Now write a brief two or three page letter explaining who this man is, how many deals he made, how many he stole from, the value of this theft, then any contact info for the thief and all of the victims.

I would then begin a letter campaign will all of the law enforcement agencies that could have juristiction, if you know the town or county write to the local district attorney and sherriff or PD, write to the state attorney general. Include the US post office if any of the transaction involved them (all you need are letters written and mailed using the USPS that were critical in making this alleged deal-save those envelopes with addresses and stamped dates)

Also have everyone you have made contact with also contact the same law enforcement agencies. Include a copy of your book with all the printed documents and a CD of all your saved files in a very neat and orderly fashion so that the reader has a clear understanding of what is going on, and that it is not just a poor deal that you are disatisfied with. Insist that you want to make a formal complaint against this man for stealing from you. You can higher an attorney but unless you have a family attorney that you do alot of business with and have on retainer I would suggest waiting as it will cost you $500 just to have them write one letter, and they will insist on a $2500 retainer, at least thats what three seperate attorneys told me on my problems when I was ripped off.

What I missed somehow in all the Jeremey threads is how he gets these notebooks but no one knows where he lives. One post said Kaufman, TEXAS. If you are a victim, Texas is a good state for a thief to live in and they are much less likely to make a pinko-liberal settlement with a thief by slapping his hands and making them promise not to do that anymore. Texas likes to lock up thier thieves.

This is one of those things where you have to go to war. And to be fair to others you should not back down just because you finally get close enough to get him to make him refund. He is still a thief if you only makes good on those that can hurt him. He has a long history of lieing with all those relatives dieing off, statements of shipment/payments sent then later excuses it must have gotten lost......and the lies.......just keep going.

This will be like war, a campaign for justice. It will not happen overnight. Plan on at least one year, maybe more if you want justice. You will be devoting hundreds of hours and hundreds of dollars, thousands if a lawyer is involved. You will need a database to keep this all straight, listing all his accounts, aliases, links, Listing all the deals, how it turned out, how long it took, did any work without threats, look for trends like the long long delay of promises. Look for how many relatives died and how many times his wife miscarried. Document all of this in your database. You can even use something simple like an Excell spreadsheet and use row/columns as your data filters.

I was involved with a scammer who was an alleged gunsmith specializing in the AK and doing work on them. I sent him my front end/barrel assembly to have the front site replaced (mine was damaged), after six months it never came back and the lies were just to much to take anymore. Searching other forums this man had several aliases and would typically start with a few good make believe jobs, or as we found out he made up users as well that he would use to post to himself saying what great work he did. I started a campaign and started contacting other members. I used an excel spreadsheet to track all the accounts/threads/deals/scams/victims and ways to contact them. I received notarized letters from just about everyone he scammed. I contacted the ATF and the Kansas state attorney General. I received a few letters back saying they were investigating and it was like a year now. I got really good at identifying him and his scam and would call him a thief on all his posts. I was even banned several times due to "trolling" this mans advertisement and make believe threads, but thanks to anonymous web surfing programs (firefox with is my new favorite extension switch proxy) I could re-register just like the scammer and kept on saving dozens from losing their firearm and money. I had lots of contact with the admins of those boards and they eventually accepted what I had to say but usually requested all my posts go through them first which I did.

This took a life of its own as at least five other victims saw my work and the letters from the enforcement agencies I scanned and posted on all the forums I could find, and ran with it. Two hired lawyers including one business man who owned a gunshop and subcontracted out some of the gunsmithing work. The ATF did eventually raid this man but they were really slow and did not do much other than send letters they were still investigating but did not find sufficient cause to make formal charges and that the investigation was continuing. After the ATF raid the Kansas Attorney General's office had an investigator take an interest and made a project of it. Thats what it takes, to convince one man to take this on. Within 30 days his shop was raided twice and his home was raided. Within 30 more days we started to receive are firearms and parts back as well as checks for partial payments of 20% of whatever are cash grievance was coming from the Kansas Attorney General. The pantsy ass supervisors of this investigator sought a settlement and this person quickly agreed. What was bad is all the parts and firearms sent back were all mixed up. I did receive my barrel but it was butchered with the site removed and must have been left in the mud as it was 100% rusted and useless. Some hit the jackpot and received complete AK's back that were not theirs and one person who had received this had actually only sent in a barrel to be mounted to a trunnion. We tried to have the Attorney General sort it out but they stood firm with the settlement and said that was the best they could do and for us to settle amongst ourselves. We started a 35 plus page thread where we posted the parts we received that were not ours and what parts we were missing. I guess maybe 20-25% were able to get at least some more of their parts back.

We were suppose to receive another check within 60 days for further reimbursement. It did not happen. Correspondence with the Kansas Attorney General office was not good as the investigator we were dealing with was transferred onto another assignement and the new investigator was not as interested saying the party had moved to obtain work elsewhere and had reached a new settelment with the Attorney General for reimbursement allowing for a delay. All I could think was this new kid investigator was falling for the same lies we had all fallen for earlier and when I accused him of such during a spirited phone call I made to him caused him to get angry at me and raise his voice and state over the phone he does not give a rats asse if a bunch of gun nuts were stupid enough to lose their guns and money then hung up on me. I learned that no one likes to hear from someone else that they are a victim of a liar, I think it is the humiliation, the ego and pride that makes one refuse to accept the truth and its twisted into anger towards the person wanting to help. Things kind of died down after this and the group was not communicating as much and I think we all figured we had lost.

Then, thanks to the greed of this thief, even though the settlement reached stated he would have no dealings with firearms there was suddenly a rash of posts stating there was a scammer doing work on AK's in New Mexico. When one of his posts under one of his aliases mentioned his wife had a miscarriage and it delayed his work as he attended to his family several of us immediately recognized who this was and brushed off our war books and resent them to the Kansas Attorney General, ATF and now the New Mexico Attorney General. Their was another raid but this time the Kansas Attorney General was prosecuting and taking the lead agency role. The ATF also piled on some charges and I think there were more charges made in New Mexico. We were all requested to make statements at our local PD explaining our particular case and then signed it and they then forwarded it to the Kanas Attorney General. Several of our group then had phone interviews and some were asked if they would tesitfy in court under oath what they had just said and even mentioned which months they expected a trial. In the end this scumbag agreed to a Plea Bargain with the state of Kansas for a TEN year prison sentence. The ATF also had him plea bargain to illegal weapons possession and he received a concurrent THREE to FIVE year sentence that would be served in the state prison. I don't know what happened with New Mexico, I believe they dropped charges as part of the deal. After this settlement those of us involved received a polite thank you letter from the Kansas Attorney General office thanking us for our persistence and saying they could not have put this man into prison without our help. I still wonder to this day why they had made the first settlement and why the original investigator was re-assigned and why they changed their minds later when it was pointed out he was busy thieving in New Mexico. I felt that maybe they were embarrassed answering questions from the New Mexico Law enforcement agencies asking "why in the hell did you give this thief such a sweetheart deal then allow him to come to our state to start thieving here". I don't know that but that is what I imagined.

The moral was we stopped a thief, but only after lots and lots of hard work which actually increased our loss dealing with this thief and not really getting much compensation in return. That is why they are hard to have these thieves imprisoned. No one is willing to do all this work. I was about to give up after receiving the form letters from the USPS, ATF, and Kansas Attorney General but fortunately had new blood come in and take over the cause. If these others did not take over and help I think I would have given up to cut my losses. This was a valuable lesson for me, always make rules in the deal, stick to them, when the children start dieing off and the wife starts having miscarriages then you have been scammed and time to start the campaign, do not let it drag out as that is really emotionally draining and makes you give up-it is part of the scam and how he gets away with it by making excuses until you give up. This fellow in fact was not even married and did not even have children so whose wife had miscarriages and which children died we will never know.

EVERYONE: Please start posting links to aliases, to threads, to accounts, to others that were scammed.

Rando, this is going to be alot of work, it was for me. I probably would not have done it if I known just how much work. Every new scam I saw did give me a bit more energy to continue fighting. After reading some of this scammers threads when the heat is on he coughs up but that is not right for all the other future victims and you are actually helping him to continue stealing and its a bit selfish to settle with you being made good with countless others still out. Due to my experience I have a low threshold for these scammers and whenever I read a thread more than two pages long where the children and other relatives are dieing off delaying the transaction my radar goes on. It usually turns out to be true like 80% of the time. I think the other 20% it may still be a scammer but they are good at predicting the weather and what rippoffs will lead to trouble and make good on those few.

It is very emotional to the victims of these scams as they really want to believe it is not so, just as I did. They even get mad when you warn them. I felt just like sfdoddsy did on page 3 of this post when he was willing to bet you $20 except I was willing to bet you $100. Its a sucker bet since the odds are in our favor by like FIVE to ONE so its an excellent bet to make if not handicapped.

I wish you luck my friend and hope you can make this scammer feel that the weather is changing and make good. Secretly there is a selfish part of me that was created from my hurtful experience where hurting the scammer seems more important than restitution to the victim-the scammer I dealt with made me this way- and because of this I also hope he doesn't make good with you and you wage a campaign against him as he will continue to do so until there is strong enough person to do just that. Until then Law Enforcement will not do much except send you a polite form letter.

As you can see I am very emotional about these thieves due to my horrible experience and the tremendous effort and emotional rollercoaster I went through and when I read threads like this I find myself typing and rambling on for more than 20 minutes without stopping due to all the anger I have built up inside hoping to see these thieves get hurt seriously.

LETS GET THIS SUCKER AND SQUISH HIM LIKE THE WORTHLESS COCKROACH HE IS.

Everyone start posting your links, experiences, ect so rando can start his campaign.

Holy Shmoly Larry-in-Eastba don't want to get on the wrong side of you!!!! Phew! I feel tired from just reading that last post! But you're right that getting a crowd involved heightens the chances of action being taken and results being gained.

Larry-in-Eastba I would never go through all that trouble. What I would do however is prapose a fake trade to this individual. Setup to overnight the item. Fly or drive to the delivery point. Well in all honesty I would like to say I would have a talk with this individual. In reality I would most likely go to jail for first-degree murder. I cannot tolerate someone stealing or vandalizing my property. I cannot tell you how many times my car alarm has accidently went off and I stood outside in the cold in my underwear hidden with a pistol waiting for a theif. I have ZERO tolerance for this type of action. I manage a grocery store and have dropped many theifs and bogus check writers for their scams. It is all the better when they run, I warn them in advance, but you cant tell some people.

I wish you luck Rando191. It was stupid to cross-ship and it may well be a lesson learned. I would hate to be in your position as it enrages me just thinking of what I would do if this happened to me.

Lonzo

Damn that's scary Is3mach...the US really does have a gun problem. I'm glad Japanese society is ultra calm and when there are conflicts they usually don't amount to much unless its the local yazkuza or a drunk and worked up business man! In terms of doing deals in Japan I have actually never heard of scams. Of course they exist here too but it's still not in the Japanese mind to screw people at every given opportunity that's a western thing and it's polluting the world...so it goes.

wow that was a really good story, Larry-in-Eastba, I'm glad you caught him. How long did that go on for?

Am I to understand you scammed Jeremy Oliver out of a Laptop??

only to get mine b ack..i traded him 2 laptops and some hard drives..like 3000 worth of stuff..and got nothing but a 10 dollar money order...what would u do? lol

Hi Everyone

TO ALL I strongly recommend not confronting a scammer. It will only lead to an arrest, that is if you are lucky. If violence occurs expect to be charged even if you are the one whose asse was kicked. You have no reason to confront a scammer when there is the justice system to fall back on, even though we all know it is a joke for dealling with people like this.

In our group a few people threatened violence and that was enough for some people to get phone calls as the scammer reported being threatened and demanded the indiviuals be prosecuted. LE did make a few calls and said they have made a report and if they came and confronted the scammer they would be arrested.

VIOLENCE IS NOT THE ANSWER and will only ruin your life over just a stupid silly notebook. It is normal to have such thoughts but it is not normal to express these thoughts in public and can be construed as threats that will only result in a big hassle for you.

fobstarstruck, first I will correct you, I did not catch this thief, on the contrary he caught himself as he was like a drug addict and apparently could not stop himself from thieving even when he knew the next one was going to really hurt. Most scammers unfortunately are not so sicko and are able to control themselves better thus back off when the heat is on. This Jeremy fellow though does remind me of the same joe, especially with the family members dieing off. Truely though I felt like an ant moving about a pebble, but it was all those ants working together that made something. We got lucky by having an investigator take an interest and start a formal investigation and having it get into the system. Until this happens he is just somebody who never had a run in with the Police. I believe that is why he was able to make settlement the first time for being a first time offender even though he had scammed for at FIVE years. As for time it took for me was 34 months from the time I first emailed him to do this job till I received the Attorney General Form Letter. For the longest in our group, justice took well over 4 years.

ls3mach, I would not talk about all this murder and shooting people and such. I think this thread is an attempt to be a serious discussion and not to do make believe. Also some people here may actually believe you have shot several people and that will make them not want to be involved in discussions with you in the future.. Such comments can come back and haunt you especially if something was to happen to Jeremey.

FrancisQ, trust me when I say no one in the US gets away with "...... I manage a grocery store and have dropped many theifs and bogus check writers for their scams......." after the first one, being locked up in Jail during an investigation, losing your job because your employer now considers you a gun nut and a dangerous employee who could go bezerk, tens of thousands of dollars in lawyer fees, a wife that now wants to leave you for doing so much harm to the family..... well it has happened from time to time but you are severely persecuted in the US using a firearm on somebody even if it is in self defense so it is not all that common because law abiding citizens want to obey the law. Also trust me if there was a second incident that law enforcement would see a pattern and more vigorously prosecute and gauranteed the next one would be in prison when he attempted to keep himself from being raped by the big ol' prison brute.

Rando, I am not telling you to give up, in fact this scammer seems to on rare occasion make good if he is harrassed enough.Maybe if you can get more info about him, maybe call his parents, call the local PD to do an investigation-even though they might not do much, if you complain loud enough they will make contact-also if you find where he works you can call his boss and ask if he is as big of a thief at work. You really need help in getting some info about him. You can also contact the admin abuse for his IP address and state everything that happened. They will revoke his account until he has responded with a formal letter to put in their file. You can also re-read all of his deal posts and look for patterns to recognize him with new aliases and "troll" his posts. I will say if I knew how hard it was going to be I would not have done it. All of my scammers lies really hurt me alot, especially for being so trusting and gullible and even getting mad at a few posters saying what a sucker I was as I posted about him and even did what you did by changing what I said as he lied to me again thinking he was going to come through. The only way to catch him though is through this kind of hard work and having others get involved. Law enforcement will do no more than possibly run a back ground check, maybe make contact if you are lucky by knocking at his door, and hopefully making him shit his pants, and then of course mail you a form letter or call you saying there is nothing they can do. This would be the most I would expect if only one person contacted LE, and even this would be a real wishful stretch.

I wish you success rando, and hope you find satisfaction in some way. I also suggest if you are lucky to get LE involved to prosecute and not make settlement as the scammer will have just scammed LE to get this.

I wasn't passing any judgment. I just couldn't follow the story

Maybe, I should edit my post to say: I would abduct him, torture him until he told me where my laptop was at. Got my laptop, knocked him off. Then dumped his body in a lake. This way, I can go back home a pretend like nothing ever happened. I seriously think a theif deserves death. If you are a criminal, you are no use to society and I see no reason why society should have to tolerate you.

Lonzo

Hi Lonzo,

.....you are just having fun with this thread, right? If so that is OK if you make certain it can't be mincontrued in another way. I am certain you are happy this did not happen to you and if so you would wish you could do those things, I certainly did. Just be careful what you post and make certain we all understand what you mean my friend!

=========================
rando

If you receive a communication saying you would be made whole or partially whole, it is another lie. It is true in the few threads I read that a total of three out of maybe ten have been made whole......maybe it was only two as its hard to keep all those threads straight....this scammer knows the ropes and does not want to use up his first time offender.....make a deal.....get out of jail card for only a notebook....I am sure.....BUT HE IS LIEING AGAIN. Start your campaign and do not stop.

If you make an agreement with him then that is your decision. I tried to make a deal with mine but he kept lieing to me for six months.....only problem for him is I was insistent on where to ship......and I was lucky enough to to get his good address (though bad name) because he was so greedy that he gave in while we negotiated.....Most scammers are smarter. Please contact the local PD of the town you shipped your notebook immediately-the longer you wait the less chance of success-internet is great in getting info of the LE agency-names of departments and supervisors-rosters-general info for making conversation because towns have websites and there LE department must make a web page-use this to your advanatage and research it before calling to help with your conversation and dropping names while you talk-I did not have that, or think of that for my campaign, but others did.

The local PD maybe busy at the time of your call but you can make an appointment for a later call and you will be surprised how friendly they are and if you get the right guy how much they want to help if you are calm, patient, and deliberate. As I said if you are willing to take the time.....Also be prepared with all you documentation, emails, threads, shipping receipts, if any was done by USPS that was critical in the deal, that is as good as gold, hopefully you saved the letters and old envelopes. If you are persistant and request to press charges then at a minimum if you get a good invetigator, they will attempt contact and do a background check and attempt interview in person or by phone, but only if you spend the 20-30 hours documenting well and making it very presentable to the LE to convince them to spend time as well. If you are obviously sloppy and do not spend time then LE will be the same way and spend no more time than you did, as I learned.

I was very successful at this intitial contact stage because I had an address, and because my documentation had an obvious alias to the rell person it did cause an initial intersest. For me my scammer was clean, and apparently answered the initial interview questions well-so I guess from what I was told when I called two weeks later asking for the current status. He was then free to continue stealing from the innocent and did so. But it was this apparent but not real success that made other interested, and they, not me, pushed it to conclusion.

THIS MAN IS A LIAR, if you agree to back off, do so only after you are made whole, if the notebook is damaged but you are 75% whole you are way better than most of us. Do a deal with the Devil if you want. If the Devil does a Deal with you its only because you can hurt him. If you can't then its just more lies.

I will once again say if you know what city you shipped to contact that cities LE department. If they are sluggish contact the county LE. Keep doing so till you find a LE officer or investigator who instead of saying "we get this all the time....kiss your notebook goodbuy!..." actually wants to help. This will be based upon the info you give him that gives him hope at success. I was excited at this stage since I had a good address and initially felt I had success till I learned otherwise.

This is really about you working hard like the scammer did at working you. I have to believe you have an address you shipped the notebook to that can give you something to work with. When you contact the local LE be firm but polite, ask there name and how long they have been with their department, then say thankfully you are glad you were able to work with such an experienced individual/investigator.....let them know you need their help .....and show how hard you have been working at this.......think how the scammer worked you......do the same......be nice and tell the investigator what he would like to hear to get his interest. Since I am certain the scammmer is to far from you to do an in state civil action you are at the mercy of whatever LE agency you can get to help you.

HE JUST LIED TO YOU AGAIN, why take that, spend time putting a good complaint together and have LE visit him. You might get lucky, he may be stupid and have a warrant for something else........he may have something else illegal going on.........who knows.........I had so many ups and downs on mine.........I would not recommend that for anyone and to just move on and chalk up your loss as experience. If you are prepared for more then its upon you, not just posts at forums and vents but action. Collect all info you have and start using it to your advantage. And seriously if you can get a hold of his parents or employer you will be shocked to learn that works good. My interest in scamming..... ---from my experience has led me to read alot of these things and two occasions where the victim made it personal and contacted the sammers friends/relatives/employer, or so I was told in emails/posts and with one some phone calls.

But to be fair I get it wrong sometimes too, like at this forum where I posted on a members transaction who said his wife had a miscarriage, I will not comment on that exact statement but he did come through with payment according to the dealer, and thats all that counts-right?. That same statement of miscarriage was made by the scammer who got me and others, as well as children dieing so when I see that on deals its like fighting words.

As you can see I was really hurt by my scammer, not for the modest sum he got me for, but for being a sucker and biting back and hurting those who wanted to help me and now thought what a jerk I was to them. It took me 6 months to accept before I accepted no more lies. I hope it takes you less time than this.

This is going to be about how much time/effort/money you will devote. In the end the best you usually get is hurting the scammer and not being made whole.

It maybe best to just chalk this up as a loss, put ego and pride aside. What is most important in your life right now-your parents-a really great girlfriend-your studies to help you make enough money to buy 100 of these notebooks. You must decide. I chose to fight, I would not choose that again but without that experience I would choose that. I needed that experience to help me know getting scammed is not that important in the great scheme of things.

dude, give ur keyboard a rest... lol j/j

same questions, different day.
this machine:
http://notebookforums.com/showthread...732#post584732

Hey Rando,

if you're a college student, check to see if your University has a legal aid department run by the university's Law students. Its free and for the law students there working on something other than angry roommates or landlords is a welcome relief. They'd likely do all the work for you...for free. (all the legal work, tracking down stuff is your job.)

I am sure.....BUT HE IS LIEING AGAIN. Start your campaign and do not stop.

That same statement of miscarriage was made by the scammer who got me and others, as well as children dieing so when I see that on deals its like fighting words.

Larry-in-Eastba, I know you're trying to help rando but before you continue any further, help yourself out by correcting your spelling. Last time I check, LIEING is spell like this LYING and DIEING is spell DYING. Sorry it annoys me