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post #41 of 71
1/6/05 at 6:48pm
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Originally Posted by 5150 Joker
All the doomsayers thinking it will cost way more ($400-500+) will likely be proven wrong when the i9300 launches.
Well, we should know pretty soon, but we already have one data point from Sweden. The list price for a 1.7GHz WXGA+ 9300 and a few extra goodies was about $3200. That doesn't necessarily mean US pricing will be the same, but Dell would be crazy to introduce the 9300 a couple of months after the 9200 and position it at a similar price. Dell is not crazy, in my experience.
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post #42 of 71
1/6/05 at 6:49pm
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Originally Posted by dellbert
Well, we should know pretty soon, but we already have one data point from Sweden. The list price for a 1.7GHz WXGA+ 9300 and a few extra goodies was about $3200. That doesn't necessarily mean US pricing will be the same, but Dell would be crazy to introduce the 9300 a couple of months after the 9200 and position it at a similar price. Dell is not crazy, in my experience.
Who's to say the i9200 will still be around when the i9300 launches? I mean aside from getting rid of existing inventory.
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post #43 of 71
1/6/05 at 6:52pm
Do you realize how much upfront cost there is to introduce a new laptop model. As I said, Dell is not crazy.
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post #44 of 71
1/6/05 at 6:58pm
I guess soon enough we'll see what Dell does, my money is on them replacing the i9200 with the i9300. Doesn't make any sense to offer a high end solution like the i9200 with outdated technology especially when you can get pci-e solutions at a similar price form other vendors.
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post #45 of 71
1/6/05 at 7:51pm
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Originally Posted by 5150 Joker
I guess soon enough we'll see what Dell does, my money is on them replacing the i9200 with the i9300. Doesn't make any sense to offer a high end solution like the i9200 with outdated technology especially when you can get pci-e solutions at a similar price form other vendors.

then why would dell just come out with the 9200 if they knew about the new technology that's about to come out. They know what they are doing, so in that case they wouldn't introduce the 9200 and then introduce the 9300 a few months later and totally cut out the 9200 when they knew all along the 9300 has better and newer technology. Dell is probably going to offer a cheaper solution 9200 for the people that don't need high end, and the 9300 for the people that want all the latest stuff, kinda like how XPS and the 9100.
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post #46 of 71
1/6/05 at 7:55pm
yeah i'm with you Joker. i doubt that the 9200 and 9300 will coexist for very long. also the rumor is that the new sonoma chips and alviso mobos cost the same as the current ones, which is what intel often does to encourage adoption of the new tech. my assumption is this, in about two weeks you can configure a 9300 with a new 1.7a (sonoma) chip, ati mr9700 and every other option the same as a 9200 today and it will cost within $100 of a current equivalant 9200 (unless you compare 1 gig of ddr333 to 1 gig of ddr2-533, then it should be a lot more). once you option out a mrx800 and more ram then you'll be paying more than todays 9200. the rule still holds that you should buy your ram from somebody other than dell.
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post #47 of 71
1/6/05 at 8:02pm
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Originally Posted by mav99
yeah i'm with you Joker. i doubt that the 9200 and 9300 will coexist for very long. also the rumor is that the new sonoma chips and alviso mobos cost the same as the current ones, which is what intel often does to encourage adoption of the new tech. my assumption is this, in about two weeks you can configure a 9300 with a new 1.7a (sonoma) chip, ati mr9700 and every other option the same as a 9200 today and it will cost within $100 of a current equivalant 9200 (unless you compare 1 gig of ddr333 to 1 gig of ddr2-533, then it should be a lot more). once you option out a mrx800 and more ram then you'll be paying more than todays 9200. the rule still holds that you should buy your ram from somebody other than dell.
Yep I agree except I think that they wont even offer mr9700 for the i9300 but rather just the mrx800 or mr6800 go. I plan to max out the i9300 with all the goodies so it lasts me awhile I'm pretty excited to find out what Dell has up their sleeve since I dislike Sager notebooks.
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post #48 of 71
1/6/05 at 8:03pm
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Originally Posted by RMHOP81
then why would dell just come out with the 9200 if they knew about the new technology that's about to come out. They know what they are doing, so in that case they wouldn't introduce the 9200 and then introduce the 9300 a few months later and totally cut out the 9200 when they knew all along the 9300 has better and newer technology. Dell is probably going to offer a cheaper solution 9200 for the people that don't need high end, and the 9300 for the people that want all the latest stuff, kinda like how XPS and the 9100.
i assume that dell didnt want to wait for mid january to start making money off the 9200 platform. i'm sure dell knew of alviso's requirements/specs when they designed the 9200 so they designed it so that it would seemlessly incorporate either the current or new platforms. the 9200 and 9300 share the same chassis so there's little cost/time involved in putting the new alviso mobo in there. assuming all this is true, dell did a smart thing...the 9200 seems to have been selling well (though they've had that sparkley screen issue, but that's off point) and making them money and soon the 9300 will do the same.
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post #49 of 71
1/6/05 at 8:06pm
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Originally Posted by 5150 Joker
Yep I agree except I think that they wont even offer mr9700 for the i9300 but rather just the mrx800 or mr6800 go. I plan to max out the i9300 with all the goodies so it lasts me awhile I'm pretty excited to find out what Dell has up their sleeve since I dislike Sager notebooks.
well first i need to correct myself and say that it would be a mrx600 (which is the pci-e equivalant to the mr9700). and i think that this would be an option because i assume that dell woud like a lower cost option, or at least a low base price, for this line, afteral this is their only 17" model.
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post #50 of 71
1/6/05 at 8:22pm
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Originally Posted by mav99
well first i need to correct myself and say that it would be a mrx600 (which is the pci-e equivalant to the mr9700). and i think that this would be an option because i assume that dell woud like a lower cost option, or at least a low base price, for this line, afteral this is their only 17" model.
Yep I agree - I think I'll likely get the 6800 go chip since I already have an x800 in my desktop. I heard the launch date is Jan. 19th so how long do you suppose Dell will release the 9300 after that?
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post #51 of 71
1/6/05 at 8:34pm
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Originally Posted by 5150 Joker
Yep I agree - I think I'll likely get the 6800 go chip since I already have an x800 in my desktop. I heard the launch date is Jan. 19th so how long do you suppose Dell will release the 9300 after that?
yeah that's a tough question. it usually takes dell a while to actually ship new products but this case is a bit different. they already have the basic chassis rolling out and it's been rumored that dell and everyone else has had the new centrino tech for a while because of its big delay. i could see the mrx800 holding the ship date back though. my guess is that the basic 9300 will ship about feb 1, and those that opt for the mrx800 get theirs around march 1. obviously this is only speculation.
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post #52 of 71
1/6/05 at 8:49pm
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Originally Posted by dellbert
Do you realize how much upfront cost there is to introduce a new laptop model. As I said, Dell is not crazy.
but the majority of the cost of introducinig a new model is research and case design etc, It seems like much of this will look exactly like the 9200, except for the chipset, and mobo. So to transition between the 9200 and the 9300, there would not be the usual high amount of cost of introducing a new line since it is based off of the 9200.

Why would they introduce the 9200 when they new about the 9300, = Christmas sales.
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post #53 of 71
1/6/05 at 8:50pm
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Originally Posted by mav99
i assume that dell didnt want to wait for mid january to start making money off the 9200 platform. i'm sure dell knew of alviso's requirements/specs when they designed the 9200 so they designed it so that it would seemlessly incorporate either the current or new platforms. the 9200 and 9300 share the same chassis so there's little cost/time involved in putting the new alviso mobo in there. assuming all this is true, dell did a smart thing...the 9200 seems to have been selling well (though they've had that sparkley screen issue, but that's off point) and making them money and soon the 9300 will do the same.
just saw this post, same as I said above
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post #54 of 71
1/6/05 at 8:52pm
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Originally Posted by mav99
yeah that's a tough question. it usually takes dell a while to actually ship new products but this case is a bit different. they already have the basic chassis rolling out and it's been rumored that dell and everyone else has had the new centrino tech for a while because of its big delay. i could see the mrx800 holding the ship date back though. my guess is that the basic 9300 will ship about feb 1, and those that opt for the mrx800 get theirs around march 1. obviously this is only speculation.

I also read somewhere that the manufacturer's have had the chip for a while with no delay in them getting their chips, but just that the product launch for the sonoma is delayed
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post #55 of 71
1/6/05 at 8:56pm
If Dell had just dropped an 8600 mobo in the 9200 chassis, your point would have some merit. But they designed a brand-spanking-new mobo, got a video card in a new form factor, rolled out manuals, training, support, advertising, etc. No way they'll make all of that a sunk cost just to get a little xmas boost. Not to mention the fact that they've probably got an astronomical return rate due to the WUXGA screw-up. They will need to milk this puppy for a while just to hit breakeven, and they need to replace the aging XPS. That's what the 9300 will replace, not the 9200.
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post #56 of 71
1/6/05 at 9:17pm
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Originally Posted by dellbert
If Dell had just dropped an 8600 mobo in the 9200 chassis, your point would have some merit. But they designed a brand-spanking-new mobo, got a video card in a new form factor, rolled out manuals, training, support, advertising, etc. No way they'll make all of that a sunk cost just to get a little xmas boost. Not to mention the fact that they've probably got an astronomical return rate due to the WUXGA screw-up. They will need to milk this puppy for a while just to hit breakeven, and they need to replace the aging XPS. That's what the 9300 will replace, not the 9200.
while i cetainly could be wrong, all of the costs you mentioned could be carried over to the new 9300 without too much additional cost or effort. also dell's rollout dates have been made way in advance of the whole wuxga screen issue popping up. also who's to say how much money dell has been making on the 9200 series or even how much they have been losing on the wuxga screen. this forum, and all computer forums for that matter, representes a very small fraction of dell buyers.

also i think the new xps will be called the xps gen 2 and not the 9300, nor do i think it would be a 17"er.
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post #57 of 71
1/6/05 at 9:23pm
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Originally Posted by dellbert
If Dell had just dropped an 8600 mobo in the 9200 chassis, your point would have some merit. But they designed a brand-spanking-new mobo, got a video card in a new form factor, rolled out manuals, training, support, advertising, etc. No way they'll make all of that a sunk cost just to get a little xmas boost. Not to mention the fact that they've probably got an astronomical return rate due to the WUXGA screw-up. They will need to milk this puppy for a while just to hit breakeven, and they need to replace the aging XPS. That's what the 9300 will replace, not the 9200.
Nah I doubt they would replace the XP with the 9300 because they typically do not use Dothan/mobile cpus in those high end gaming systems that use desktop parts. The fact that this is a 533 fsb mobile cpu based system with a Sonoma chipset suggests it will replace the 9200.

P.S. Do you own a i9200?
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post #58 of 71
1/6/05 at 9:32pm
Desktop chips are *nasty* in laptops due to the heat dissipation. The *only* reason to use desktop chips was to support faster busses, like pci-e. Sonoma blows that reason out of the water. I'd bet that the "9300" name will apply to Europe, and here it'll be called XPS Gen 2.

And, yes, I own a couple of 9200's. And I can afford a 9300 as well. But I don't play enough games to justify either an XPS or a 9300, and both of those are simply mobile gaming platforms.
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post #59 of 71
1/6/05 at 9:41pm
Intel shows off Sonoma machines

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=20561
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post #60 of 71
1/6/05 at 9:45pm
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Originally Posted by dellbert
If Dell had just dropped an 8600 mobo in the 9200 chassis, your point would have some merit. But they designed a brand-spanking-new mobo, got a video card in a new form factor, rolled out manuals, training, support, advertising, etc. No way they'll make all of that a sunk cost just to get a little xmas boost. Not to mention the fact that they've probably got an astronomical return rate due to the WUXGA screw-up. They will need to milk this puppy for a while just to hit breakeven, and they need to replace the aging XPS. That's what the 9300 will replace, not the 9200.
My point is that the cost between the 9200 and the 9300 would be less...Yes somethings have changed, but not that much, just the stuff previously mentioned. I said nothing about the cost between the 8600 and the 9200, that was a totally different product line. The 9300 is the same line, but different internal specs, etc. That saves a lot of the costs.

Anyway, I seriously doubt that dell is struggeling to break even on the 9200 They have made profits already I immagine. I think they make their margins so that they break even rather quickly, since most notebook lines are updated within 6 months anyway.
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