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Biggest bang for the buck

post #1 of 46
Thread Starter 
Biggest bang for the buck.
What option would you choose for photo editing? (I will be getting a 19” or 21” CRT for color editing, suggestions welcomed)

OPTION 1:
3.2GHZ
1024MB
60GB 7200rpm
60GB 7200rpm
2X DVD-RW/CD-RW
XP Pro
Raid 0
$3385


OPTION 2:
3.2GHZ
1024MB
60GB 5400rpm
60GB 5400rpm
2X DVD-RW/CD-RW
XP Pro
Raid 0
$3150

OPTION 3:
3.2GHZ
1024MB
60GB 7200rpm
2X DVD-RW/CD-RW
XP Pro
$3000

OPTION 4:
3.2GHZ
1024MB
60GB 7200rpm
8X DVD/24X10X24 CDRW
XP Pro

$2885


QUESTIONS:

1. What can you do with a 2X DVD-RW/CD-RW?
2. 8X DVD/24X10X24 CDRW, will it burn CD’s?
3. Why would you want both a DVD-RW/CD-RW and a 8X DVD/24X10X24 CDRW?
Thank You.

-Tom
post #2 of 46
[list=1][*]What is the resolution of the photos?[*]Will photos be in a raw format, eg TIF?[*]How do you envision archiving these images and how soon? [/list=1]
post #3 of 46
1. A DVD-RW drive can read CD's and DVD's and write both CD's and DVD's of both the CD-R/DVD-R and the CD-RW/DVD-RW types. But who the hell writes DVD's? It is basically an expensive novelty that's a waste of hard-earned money.

2. Yes the 8xDVD/24x10X24 CD-RW will write to CD-R's and CD-RW's whiel it can read CD's and DVD's.

3. You would only want that combo if you are either: a) stupid, b) have too much money and want to brag, or c) retarted, stupid, and a fool.

Option 1 would vertainly be the best, but Option 4 would be plenty good. I actually do know of a great CRT for color editing:

http://www.lacie.com/products/produc...id=10037<br />
The LaCie electron22blue IV should be perfect (I mean really, really, really good!)


Make sure you get the color-calibration BlueEye Vision device from LaCie whatever you buy! (http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?id=10036
)

Have you considered an LCD btw? They are easier on the eyes you know! I can recommend two with great color, brightness, and contrast: (1) the LaCie Photon20Vision (http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?id=10074) or (2) the NEC MultiSync LCD2110 (http://www.necmitsubishi.com/product.../nec_index.cfm)

Again, get the LaCie BlueEye Vision color calibration device in any case! It is very much worth it! The LaCie CRT would probably be the best if you want the cream of the crop in terms of color and resolution to the max. It is also very reasonably priced ($800). I can only recommend it.

I am wondering, is this for your work (that is: are you a professional?) or do you simply want all this because you have no idea what to do with your money? Not insulting you, but few people need such a pricey system... but: enjoy!
post #4 of 46

Re: Biggest bang for the buck

Quote:
Originally posted by Pro Image
OPTION 1:
60GB 7200rpm
60GB 7200rpm
2X DVD-RW/CD-RW
Raid 0

OPTION 2:
60GB 5400rpm
60GB 5400rpm
2X DVD-RW/CD-RW
Raid 0

QUESTIONS:
1. What can you do with a 2X DVD-RW/CD-RW?
2. 8X DVD/24X10X24 CDRW, will it burn CD’s?
3. Why would you want both a DVD-RW/CD-RW and a 8X DVD/24X10X24 CDRW?
First, Options 1 and 2 are not physically possible. You can only RAID the Main and 2nd Media Bay hard drives, which means if you want RAID, you can only have one optical drive. (Yes, this sucks for some people.)

Questions:
1) 2xDVD-RW lets you burn 2 DVDs at once without resorting to an external DVD burner. Why would you want to do that? I'm really not sure. I can't think why anyone would want this setup, but you might have some obscure reason I'm not thinking of. Remember that you can get an external faster DVD-RW for cheaper if you're going to do a lot of DVD burning.

2) The "CDRW" in "8X DVD/24X10X24 CDRW" indicates that it can burn cds. CDRW stands for Compact Disk Read / Write. Also, you can tell by the numbers - 24x10x24 means 24x Write speed to WORM (write-once-read-many) CDs, 10x Write to Rewritable CDs, and 24x Read from CDs. Any CD drive that has speed expressed as AxBxC (where A,B, and C are speeds) is CDRW.

3) Similar to (1), it lets you burn a CD on one drive while burning a DVD on the other. Similarly to (1), I don't know why you'd want to do this.

Most people getting two optical drives get one for reading and one for writing, such as a DVD/CD - ROM and a DVD-RW/CDRW. That lets you read a file from one optical drive and write it directly to the other.

-phubar
post #5 of 46
Quote:
Originally posted by Doggonit
1. A DVD-RW drive can read CD's and DVD's and write both CD's and DVD's of both the CD-R/DVD-R and the CD-RW/DVD-RW types. But who the hell writes DVD's? It is basically an expensive novelty that's a waste of hard-earned money.

Disagree on this. Anyone who takes bunches of digital pictures, digital video, or works in the computer industry has to back up a tremendous amount of files that take up a lot of space. 4+ gigs per disk is a lot more convenient than 700M.

Burning DVDs to send to your pc-challenged folks from home video is pretty cool too.
post #6 of 46
hmmm I didn't think of that. of having DVDs being backup disc since they have more space. Problem would be, having another dvd drive in a computer that could read it, besides your own.

and Doggonit, do you work for Lacie or something?
post #7 of 46
Thread Starter 
Yes, I’m a photojournalist, I also have my own business, I shoot with a digital Canon 1D. I will be using Photo Mechanics to edit my photos and Photoshop to process them

Regarding the LCD I thought it was not good for color editing photos, are laptop and desktop LCD different?

Photo resolution it varies 72dpi for web and 300dpi for printing.

Yes, raw will be used for jobs that require them.

thanks
post #8 of 46

Re: Re: Biggest bang for the buck

Quote:
Originally posted by phubar
First, Options 1 and 2 are not physically possible. You can only RAID the Main and 2nd Media Bay hard drives, which means if you want RAID, you can only have one optical drive. (Yes, this sucks for some people.)



-phubar
Actually I think he was referring to the 2x speed not 2 physical dvd-r drives
post #9 of 46
Save some cash and go for the 3.0 ghz processor. There will be very marginal performance loss. You could afford the raid and the DVD burner easyer that way.
post #10 of 46
Quote:
Originally posted by Pro Image
Yes, I’m a photojournalist, I also have my own business, I shoot with a digital Canon 1D. I will be using Photo Mechanics to edit my photos and Photoshop to process them

Regarding the LCD I thought it was not good for color editing photos, are laptop and desktop LCD different?

Photo resolution it varies 72dpi for web and 300dpi for printing.

Yes, raw will be used for jobs that require them.

thanks
Laptop LCD are acutally quite diff. from desktop LCD's. You see even LCD's, while energy efficient, require quite a bit of juice, so desktop LCD's can be very, very nice. You really should look into it further if you want to give your eyes a bit of a rest since I assume you spend hours at a time at the computer. Many people are moving to LCD's because they same a lot of space and it is worth the extra money to get a slight drop in performance for more room and less eye strain. Top of the line LCD's are not cheap but they are certainly darn good.

I don;t work for LaCie but I have had one of their CRT's and have read a lot of reviews about their latest models and all I can say that for certain people, they are the cream of the crop right up there with what NEC and Mitsubishi can offer. Sure, Samsung is good for gamers (cheap, good bang for buck), but not quite good enough for the pros, that is why I did not recommend it
post #11 of 46

Slow DVD-Rs

Anyone else think that a 2x DVD-R is still pretty slow? Personally, I like option 2, because you might need that extra HD space if you plan to hang onto stuff before you burn. Also, its always good to have 2 drives when doing film editing, dunno if you are into that as well too.

Personally, I want to wait on buying a DVD-R, because they still are too slow for me to practically use as compared to a USB or Firewire backup alternative. However, if you are burning DVDs for photos, it might be worth it.

Samurai182
post #12 of 46

Re: Re: Biggest bang for the buck

Quote:
Originally posted by phubar
1) 2xDVD-RW lets you burn 2 DVDs at once without resorting to an external DVD burner. Why would you want to do that? I'm really not sure. I can't think why anyone would want this setup, but you might have some obscure reason I'm not thinking of. Remember that you can get an external faster DVD-RW for cheaper if you're going to do a lot of DVD burning.
You are so wrong, you cannot even dig yourself out with an excavator. A 2xDVD-RW actually means it a 2x speed DVD-RW writer which can rewrite onto DVD-RW DVD's at a 2x speed, It can write on DVD-R's and DVD-RW's (empty DVD'RW's, rewriting is slower) at a slightly faster speed (look up any normal DVD-RW drive on Newegg.com it will list all the speeds), It can write onto CD-R's and CD-RW's and rewrite on CD-RW's, then it can read all of the above types of CD's adn DVD's at certain speeds. A 2x DVD-RW is not a device which has two bays..... LOL.... funny... tell Toshiba or Panasonic (DVD-RW drive manufacturers) that, they will laugh.....

Quote:
Originally posted by phubar
2) The "CDRW" in "8X DVD/24X10X24 CDRW" indicates that it can burn cds. CDRW stands for Compact Disk Read / Write. Also, you can tell by the numbers - 24x10x24 means 24x Write speed to WORM (write-once-read-many) CDs, 10x Write to Rewritable CDs, and 24x Read from CDs. Any CD drive that has speed expressed as AxBxC (where A,B, and C are speeds) is CDRW.
Wow, phubar you are so confused. It is 10x speed to rewrite over what has been already written on an CD-RW (rewritable CD). If you take a fresh CD-RW you can write at 24x speed onto it but once you want to overwrite that data you have a max of 10x speed for writing. Did you just make the "WORM" CD? You are full of it, really... Obviously anyone who has yea bit of intelligence knows that if you write onto a CD-R you will only have one chance and then whatever you put on it will stay there, a CD-RW on the other hand according to common sense can be written over, basically you can use it like, say a ZIP disk, altough it is slightly slower. However both CD-R's and CD-RW's can be read by any regular CD-ROM drive as well as a CD-Writer (which can not only write but read as well). So, I have no clue what you are talking about really, Phubar. BTW: CD-RW stands for Compact Disk-ReWritable not Read/Write. So a CD-R writer can only write onto CD-R type CD's once and that is it then you need a new CD, but CD-RW writers can write both onto CD-R's and CD-RW type CD's. (CD-R's are cheaper.... quite cheap for a pack of 20)

Quote:
Originally posted by phubar
3) Similar to (1), it lets you burn a CD on one drive while burning a DVD on the other. Similarly to (1), I don't know why you'd want to do this.

Most people getting two optical drives get one for reading and one for writing, such as a DVD/CD - ROM and a DVD-RW/CDRW. That lets you read a file from one optical drive and write it directly to the other.
Ummmm no..... a DVD/CDRW combo drive can read DVD's and CD's and can write onto CD-R's and CD-RW's and can rewrite on CD-RW's. A DVD/CDRW combo drive cannot burn a DVD. Have you ever owned a laptop before? Specifically a Sager? Have you ever owned a combo drive (DVD/CDRW) in a desktop? I am begiining to be very very suspicious about your so-called vast experience and knowledge.

The funny part is that you thought that both the DVD/CDRW drive and the 2x DVD-RW drive have two compartments!!! HAHAHAHAHA

Doggonit.out.
post #13 of 46
personally I wouldn't get the DVD-rw. same as above, just too slow. But also. I would be overly conscious about that dvd getting a scratch, or breaking. Granted you could bend a cd almost in half before it breaks. But if you got a quarter of an inch scratch on it. chances are some of your data is crap now. Or worse yet, unable to get to because the dvd won't be able to read it anymore.

If for photos I'd still use a normal cd. You can fit plenty of photos on a 700 cd as it is. and if your really desperate you can just use some of those new GB scandisks. They may cost you a lot more than a cd. but they don't scratch and are probably harder to break in half.

Also DVD burning is new technology. wait a bit before they can get it right.


Doggonit. that was a little mean... you don't see me, or anyone else, insulting your intelligence. You just took the first strike at a fight, lets hope phubar doesn't lash back.
post #14 of 46
Quote:
Originally posted by Pyrosburn
Save some cash and go for the 3.0 ghz processor. There will be very marginal performance loss. You could afford the raid and the DVD burner easyer that way.
Pyrosburn, your signature might be an invasion of my privacy, so if you don't remove it at once, I will contact the FBI and your ISP.
post #15 of 46
NO WHOSE THE IDIOT! the only person that can see your ip number is you genius.

lets all clap for the Flaming Champion Genius, Doggonit. who no only is fooled by a simple jpeg. sig but also sends posts into the Threads rather than sending Pyro a pm.



gg
post #16 of 46
Really nice there, but it is not a simple jpeg, it does detect my IP address, my OS, my browser, etc. I wouldn't exactly call that harmless by any stretch of the imagination. If he can display all that stuff about me, seeing all that for himself is only one, easy step further. So please, relax, and calm down...

Oh, by the way, not only will I abuse and kick midgets now, I will hammer them into the dirt with a mallet .
post #17 of 46

The thing you see is what it read from your system. You see that information yourself, nobody can read that information and it can't send that information out.
Don't worry!
post #18 of 46
Thanks kasteo but why is it allowed to read such info from my system? I never gave it any such authorization. I may be paranoid, but still, you responded politely while that fool bgesley responded like a maniacal raving foaming-at-the-mouth lunatic... thanks for the courtesy....
post #19 of 46
last comment I'll make on this. hopefully it will stop a senseless flame war.

I only responded like that because you seemed to completely call phubar an idiot. Laughing at his explanations. Granted they were inaccurate but laughing it off and calling him names is beyond the line.

Also take me out of your profile. Also I'll apologize for what I said as long as I don't see you mocking other people's intelligence when even yours is debatable. Phubar did not make up the WORM. I've seen it called that before.

sorry again
post #20 of 46
Sure I might be stupid but at least I don't put airs of being a genius. I am only rude with phubar because he was being rude to everyone else in almost every topic he wrote in. I am usually kind and forgiving when I write but phubar's rants have pissed me off so many times that I decided to give him a dose of his own treatment. There are many people who will attest to phubar's previous arguments about pointless matters, so it is not made up. BTW: I do laugh at phubar, don't you? Ok I will stop beating the midgets up....

Doggonit.out.
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