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post #101 of 120
1/12/05 at 6:31am
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Originally Posted by Karma
There is a reason the X800 is in a mid-size notebook (7620) & the 6800Go is not.
I just don't buy that, there doesn't appear to be that much difference in the thermal design of the 9860 and the 7620 and they're both still chunky power-hungry DTRs, seems to me it has more to do with pairing the fastest available card with the 7620s release...

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Originally Posted by Karma
The MR X800 is exactly the same as the X800Pro, architecture & all: 12 Pipes, low-k transistors, only the clock speeds are different. The only differences are tweaks that ATi has made to reduce GPU power by include clock gating & PCIe lanes from 16 to 1 when needed (& so on). nVidia also has made a direct port from desktop chips to desktop notebooks.

Even assuming that the MR X800 used the exact speeds that the desktop X800Pro had (which it's not, it is running at 86% average of the desktop X800, which means it has a 13W idle & 41W load), under load it would be almost a third of the Wattage put out from your Prescott.
...you may be right, it may be just a difference in the PCI-e card implementation that requires the 9860 thermal design modification, or it could just be that the higher stock frequencies of the MR X800 means it runs hotter, I guess we'll find out for sure when it's finally released (unless Luke/Adam have any comments to pass on the matter before then).
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post #102 of 120
1/12/05 at 6:31am
It also has no other sources of heat, so the entire chassis can be used to cool the 6800go.

Keep in mind, though, according to Anandtech, that nVidia is going to release a .11u mobile version of the 6800 with a 450 core & 600Mhz GDDR3, so that'll be interesting to see.

Of course, if that happens, then we'll just have 2 different chips with 12 pipes, with the same RAM speed, RAM type, core speed, & basic thermal envelope (.13 low-k & .11). Then what'll you have.......?
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post #103 of 120
1/12/05 at 6:34am
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Originally Posted by k3x
look here...inspiron 9300 is a low-size notebook and it contains a 6800go...
The unannounced 9300 is definately NOT a low-size notebook, it is a 17" wide DTR with a P-M inside (which, again, would allow for the 6800Go).
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post #104 of 120
1/12/05 at 6:36am
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Originally Posted by Karma
It also has no other sources of heat, so the entire chassis can be used to cool the 6800go.

Keep in mind, though, according to Anandtech, that nVidia is going to release a .11u mobile version of the 6800 with a 450 core & 600Mhz GDDR3, so that'll be interesting to see.

Of course, if that happens, then we'll just have 2 different chips with 12 pipes, with the same RAM speed, RAM type, core speed, & basic thermal envelope (.13 low-k & .11). Then what'll you have.......?
My I heard that too about the Nvidia on that site you did. If its close to release that might be why Sager isn't carrying the lower end one? Sager so far generally deals with the best high end cards available..
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post #105 of 120
1/12/05 at 6:39am
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Originally Posted by Karma
The unannounced 9300 is definately NOT a low-size notebook, it is a 17" wide DTR with a P-M inside (which, again, would allow for the 6800Go).
I saw that Karma..other then the sucky screen (im sure they'll have WSXGA also) That thing is sweet.. But I wonder what the deal is..from all i've read..it was said the high end cards wouldn't make it into a PM notebook because of power usuage...I wonder if anything is cut back on this 6800go in the 9300..course if its just a low clock overclocking it is easy enough.. just curious..and I wonder what the price would be..
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post #106 of 120
1/12/05 at 6:46am
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Originally Posted by Synergi
I saw that Karma..other then the sucky screen (im sure they'll have WSXGA also) That thing is sweet.. But I wonder what the deal is..from all i've read..it was said the high end cards wouldn't make it into a PM notebook because of power usuage...I wonder if anything is cut back on this 6800go in the 9300..course if its just a low clock overclocking it is easy enough.. just curious..and I wonder what the price would be..
It's not the P-M per se, but Thin & Light (T&L) notebooks w/ a P-M. You can stick any PCIe GPU into a 17" PCIe notebook MB, as long as you have space & cooling for it. It's the cooling that'll kill you.

Considering the physical limitations of cooling & weight (& the heatsinks that accompany what space is available), I wouldn't be surprised to see an MR X800 in a P-M 15.4", especially since we know a 15.4" chassis can support a Prescott & an MR X800. You might even see a 6800Go in a P-M 15.4". I just doubt you'll see a .13u 6800Go w/ a Prescott in a 15.4".
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post #107 of 120
1/12/05 at 6:49am
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Originally Posted by Karma
It's not the P-M per se, but light weight notebooks w/ a P-M. You can stick any PCIe GPU into a 17" PCIe notebook MB, as long as you have space & cooling for it. It's the cooling that'll kill you.

Considering the physical limitations that size effects cooling (& the heatsinks that accompany available space), I wouldn't be surprised to see a X800 in a P-M 15.4", especially since we know a 15.4" chassis can support a Prescott & an MR X800. You might even see a 6800Go in a P-M 15.4". You just won't see a .13u 6800Go w/ a prescott in a 15.4".
Interesting.. If I needed a bit more mobility i might be tempted.. heh but I like my tank of a notebook in all her power hungry glory.. However I will admit the Arima 17inch PCIE notebook is one of the most beautiful i've seen.. I think its PM also.. and since i know everyone will be curious..here it is heh..
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post #108 of 120
1/12/05 at 7:04am
BTW, I've found out that at load, the MR X800 does draw almost exactly 84-85% of the power of the desktop X800Pro. That does give it a 40W @ load thermal envelope.
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post #109 of 120
1/12/05 at 10:43am
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Originally Posted by Karma
It also has no other sources of heat, so the entire chassis can be used to cool the 6800go.

Keep in mind, though, according to Anandtech, that nVidia is going to release a .11u mobile version of the 6800 with a 450 core & 600Mhz GDDR3, so that'll be interesting to see.

Of course, if that happens, then we'll just have 2 different chips with 12 pipes, with the same RAM speed, RAM type, core speed, & basic thermal envelope (.13 low-k & .11). Then what'll you have.......?

after thinking that over for a while, i would guess basically the same card - one with a 24bit floating point pipeline and one with 32bit
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post #110 of 120
1/12/05 at 12:07pm
[quote=Synergi]However I will admit the Arima 17inch PCIE notebook is one of the most beautiful i've seen.. I think its PM also.. and since i know everyone will be curious..here it is heh.. QUOTE]

I agree, that is a nice looking laptop. Is it in a case or something because it is really reflective so it seems like it is surrounded by something.
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post #111 of 120
1/12/05 at 12:17pm
[quote=Maklar]
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Originally Posted by Synergi
However I will admit the Arima 17inch PCIE notebook is one of the most beautiful i've seen.. I think its PM also.. and since i know everyone will be curious..here it is heh.. QUOTE]

I agree, that is a nice looking laptop. Is it in a case or something because it is really reflective so it seems like it is surrounded by something.
Yes it was behind a glass case at the computer show...that thing is just beautiful...
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post #112 of 120
1/18/05 at 2:08pm
I have been lurking here for several weeks (first time poster), and now find myself caught up in this issue as I have had a 9860 on order for some time now. I am not a gamer (though I used to be) and mostly do video production and post-production work (color correction, effects, etc.) in software such as AVID< Premier Pro, After Effects, Combustion, etc.) The most interesting facet of this debate to me is the heat and power consumption as (for my application) the two cards are more or less the same.

Until "Karma" posted, my understanding was that the 6800go would be generating less heat and consuming less power. Now it seems as though the X800 is winning. Any other thoughts on this issue?
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post #113 of 120
1/18/05 at 2:49pm
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Originally Posted by syf0n
I have been lurking here for several weeks (first time poster), and now find myself caught up in this issue as I have had a 9860 on order for some time now. I am not a gamer (though I used to be) and mostly do video production and post-production work (color correction, effects, etc.) in software such as AVID< Premier Pro, After Effects, Combustion, etc.) The most interesting facet of this debate to me is the heat and power consumption as (for my application) the two cards are more or less the same.

Until "Karma" posted, my understanding was that the 6800go would be generating less heat and consuming less power. Now it seems as though the X800 is winning. Any other thoughts on this issue?
you should wait for the new 6800 with ddr3.it should provide much better performance than the current 6800 and the x800. the review was a preliminary config. much like the first batch of 9860s had a heating problem, the one i had did not suffer from the heat epidemic.i returned my 85xxx model as soon as i heard nvidia was droppin the new 6800go in march. my old lappy never passed 58celcius and never had a problem with it.as soon as i opened the box i fully understood the term DTR. you cant expect the extraordinary performance it offers with out some heat.if youre still worried about frying it, get a cooling pad. good luck!
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post #114 of 120
1/18/05 at 3:14pm
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Originally Posted by liricalynlcined
you should wait for the new 6800 with ddr3.it should provide much better performance than the current 6800 and the x800. the review was a preliminary config. much like the first batch of 9860s had a heating problem, the one i had did not suffer from the heat epidemic.i returned my 85xxx model as soon as i heard nvidia was droppin the new 6800go in march. my old lappy never passed 58celcius and never had a problem with it.as soon as i opened the box i fully understood the term DTR. you cant expect the extraordinary performance it offers with out some heat.if youre still worried about frying it, get a cooling pad. good luck!
So it's at least 2 months away till the new 6800Go? And then we'll probably be hearing about that the new ATI will be 2-3 months after that.

There's always something better just over the horizon.
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post #115 of 120
1/18/05 at 3:20pm
BTW, where did you hear about the March release of the new 6800Go?
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post #116 of 120
1/18/05 at 3:35pm
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Originally Posted by hardcore76
BTW, where did you hear about the March release of the new 6800Go?
well i heard feb and march. when i talked to my reseller so i can return my 9860 ,he said the end of feb. i am now one of the first people who will receive that card . i have returned my 9860 and am letting them keep my original purchase price, and they agreed to send me the new card as soon as its available.
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post #117 of 120
1/18/05 at 3:51pm
Unfortunately I need this laptop immediately and cannot wait for another solution. There will always be something better a month or two away, so it does not concern me too much...I (generally speaking) understood what I was getting into by buying a big overpowered laptop

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Originally Posted by liricalynlcined
if youre still worried about frying it, get a cooling pad. good luck!
I am not traditionally a laptop user and am unfamiliar with the term "cooling pad". can you provide me with some infor or a link to a good one?
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post #118 of 120
1/18/05 at 3:59pm
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Originally Posted by syf0n
Unfortunately I need this laptop immediately and cannot wait for another solution. There will always be something better a month or two away, so it does not concern me too much...I (generally speaking) understood what I was getting into by buying a big overpowered laptop


I am not traditionally a laptop user and am unfamiliar with the term "cooling pad". can you provide me with some infor or a link to a good one?
no prob.http://www.coolerguys.com/840556060581.html


lok on the brightside.. the gpu is upgradeable!
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post #119 of 120
1/18/05 at 4:03pm
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Originally Posted by hardcore76
BTW, where did you hear about the March release of the new 6800Go?
you might wanna look at sagernotebooks .com
they are already advertising the new 6800 to be releasde in feb. good luck
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post #120 of 120
1/21/05 at 4:17pm

I just Can't Wait

When I started researching to replace my notebook, I had already had gotten the performance Bug. Currently I have two desktops one water ambient cooled and the other chilled water cooled -55 C

Anhoo, I chose this notbook because it was obvious to me the makers, Sager, were out to make the best quality with the least hype for the buck. It seems like the perfect manufacturer and customer service a nut like me would want

So, I for one look forward to this change to ATI in the belief that I will have an even better notebook for the buck AND it will be well worth the wait considering some of the prior issues.

I hope I'm right! Waiting now 3 weeks but patient to have the best

kokoro
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