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post #21 of 120
1/7/05 at 8:20pm

When will the 9860's with the ATI Ship?

When is Sager going to ship the 9860 with the ATI card? I ordered a week ago holding for this card, does anyone know?
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post #22 of 120
1/7/05 at 9:02pm
Looking at Lukes picture I just see a black metal added. Is this everything to do ? Add a black metal with some screws ? If this is everything, most of us can do it on their own. Thought something difficult like a second fan built in or whatever.
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post #23 of 120
1/7/05 at 9:29pm
Oh im requesting this on my replacement notebook since their replacing the whole thing anyway Is very happy
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post #24 of 120
1/7/05 at 11:37pm
Umm I went to the configurations and why cant we have the option to choose the 6800? I particularly like the idea of less heat and less power consumption( I mean if the X800 adds more power consumption I am almost scared to think of taking it off wall power)... I mean besides the slight performance increase what does the X800 offer that the 6800 cant?

EDIT: Oh and Luke said there were modifications made to help with the new heat, how do the new modifications handle the heat? Is there any pictures of the modifications we can look at( I think someone inquired earlier but I dont know if they were answered)?
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post #25 of 120
1/7/05 at 11:50pm
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Originally Posted by dark1x
Is it really that worthwhile?

My 9860 (P4-3.6 + 6800go) performs FASTER than my friend's P4-3.4 + 6800GT (in real world apps) and, quite frankly, the 6800GT has always been a better desktop card (in general) in comparison to the equivalent X800. The 6800go receives a HUGE boost when OC'd. Default speeds couldn't stand up to the 6800GT, but a little OC'ing kicked it up a whole lot.
I really don't get the ATI freeks. The x800 doesn't have 3.0 shaders why do you all want to take a step backwards just for a couple FPS's when you can't get the best out of the games. You all know doom isn't gona be the only game using 3.0 forever. I just don't get it.
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post #26 of 120
1/8/05 at 12:11am
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Originally Posted by killjoy
I really don't get the ATI freeks. The x800 doesn't have 3.0 shaders why do you all want to take a step backwards just for a couple FPS's when you can't get the best out of the games. You all know doom isn't gona be the only game using 3.0 forever. I just don't get it.
Nvidiots, I just don't understand them...

Seriously though, you were asking for that response, right?

I prefer ATI hardware. I've owned cards from both companies (Rage Pro, Radeon 64MB DDR VIVO, Geforce2 Ultra, Geforce 3 TI200, Radeon 9500 Pro), and the ATI cards' rendering has always been more appealing to me. I've also had better luck with the ATI cards working with more games without problems (yes, I know that's completely opposite of all the rumors about bad ATI drivers). ATI has always seemed to be more about image quality and Nvidia about frames per second (Remember the old "don't use 32-bit! 16-bit is faster on Geforce cards!").

Or maybe I'm just sick of seeing "The way it's meant to be played" on all the games because Nvidia pays game publishers to plaster it there.

Now, where's that Socket 939 version of the 9860 with a dual-channel AMD 64 chip in it?
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post #27 of 120
1/8/05 at 2:24am
ok, ive been to the Sager Notebooks site but they are still advertising the 6800 go and there is no mention (or ability to configure) the new ATI one. News on this?

Also, both of these cards are 12 pipelines, right? not to be looking too far ahead when this 12 line is so new, but the PCIE can handle 16. Any news on the horizon about such a mythical creature?

~Wes
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post #28 of 120
1/8/05 at 2:26am
You know, I don't recall ever seeing that they hoped the cards would be user upgradeable. It seems to me that they stated that they would be upgradeable. Am I mistaken in this, or is it selective memory?
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post #29 of 120
1/8/05 at 2:34am
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Or maybe I'm just sick of seeing "The way it's meant to be played" on all the games because Nvidia pays game publishers to plaster it there.
Honestly, I've been using ATI for a while too (the 6800go is the first nVidia chip I've used since the GeForce 1) and I generally love them. However, there is actually more truth to that "the way it's meant to be played" thing that you realize. A lot of those games DO tend to lack certain effects when used on ATI cards or suffer from minor graphical faults not present on nVidia cards. I'm dead serious about that too.

I'm not suggesting that this holds true in all situations, of course, but the results are kinda shocking (and annoying). I was always a bit miffed when I found out that I was missing some random post processing effect or some additional lighting or something.
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post #30 of 120
1/8/05 at 5:21am
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Originally Posted by outlander36
Also, both of these cards are 12 pipelines, right? not to be looking too far ahead when this 12 line is so new, but the PCIE can handle 16. Any news on the horizon about such a mythical creature?
~Wes
Actually the amount of pipelines a chip has to process data is independent of the bus (PCI/AGP/PCI-E) on which it transmits data to and from the rest of the system. However should the number of pipelines increase the flow of data past the ability of the bus bandwidth, then you'd be in trouble. But for now we're all limited primarily by local graphics memory bandwidth.

I think the thing many prospective buyers should think about is that DirectX10 is just around the corner and having cards that are compliant with this standard will be a much more important factor than the level of DirectX9 performance between the 6800 and x800. I would expect to see one more generation of cards prior to the shift to DX10.

I recommend to buy whatever suits your needs when you want it, you'll be swapping for a DX10 card sooner than later. Afterall 18 months is all we get between major revisions so we shall see soon enough.
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post #31 of 120
1/8/05 at 5:21am
I think a lot has to do with the people here. Most people who are buying a $3000 in the real world expect to use it for at least 2 years. 2 years from now lets just take a wild guess on how many games released will be using fancy effects because of special instructions (ie, pixel shader 3). For people like on this forum it seems, those that upgrade as soon as the next big thing comes out, the extra 10fps they gain from going ATI is more important versus people who plan for the future, and in 2 years, x800 owners will be crying because they're card no longer carries an advantage.

I'm more than happy with a 6800go, $450 pctorque wants for a x800 upgrade is just outrageous. I think they should offer some sort of "gpu trade-in"... send in your laptop, they keep the 6800go and replace it with a x800 for maybe $99 (you pay shipping). It's not like these are old laptops, mine got shipped a couple of days before x800 became available.
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post #32 of 120
1/8/05 at 9:31am
HI guys (AND GALS =Synergi )
What I want to know is the simple truth:
Will Sager owners with serial numbers lower than 85xxxx be able to purchase the X800 with the black metal plate so that they may perform the upgrade themselves, and secondly, does this modification required only count for the X800 card, or also for the future Nvidia modules?
And lastly will you be able to run the X800 in lower 85xxxx models without this modification?

Pls let us know.

KW
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post #33 of 120
1/8/05 at 10:15am
They should sell that black metal, a screwdriver and a well done instruction-book with huge pictures what to do and not do together with the new card for less money.

Let´s say X800m is better, and I think it is not overall (go ocd´s nearly same level imho) - but okay, X800 is better.

Now I should send my baby away (ouch, headache, pain of separation !!! - waiting time making me crazy, weeks of lonelyness) - not to talk about the risk of being damaged, getting lost..... then $450 and if pitch my baby has some scuffs and for what: a slightly better graphic card. I would say the outlay and efforts are in no relation to the benefits.

Other thing is, why all this for screwing on a black metal ???? With a good instruction set, maybe a tiny tool set, everyone could do this. And - Sager could give the user responsibility.

So eighter they think, we are idiots or they just want this chance to make more money or both of it ? Or they are scared of bad customers sueing Sager for damages they made themselves ??
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post #34 of 120
1/8/05 at 10:57am

A question on the modification.

Luke states, "During the last two weeks a few hundred units have also been shipped with the necessary modifications completed".

Do the modifications improve the overall design of the 9860 for people who have/want the GeForce GO 6800 gpu?

This is a valid question because heat/fan issues have been the number one concern for most owners recently. I wonder if this modification by Sager is also a response to these issues.

I'm concerned less with which is the better GPU. If this modification improves the lifespan of this notebook, I want it. I have a 84xxxxxxxxxx serial number and already feel like an orphaned child. Can anybody alleviate my concerns?
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post #35 of 120
1/8/05 at 12:12pm
Most of the reviews I have been reading say the Go 6800 will beat the x800M does anyone have any updated info?

At least I have the 85XXXX
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post #36 of 120
1/8/05 at 1:40pm
Ahh, so irritating that I was told this was user upgradable at the point of purchase.
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post #37 of 120
1/8/05 at 1:58pm
Well i was going to pick up a 9860 sometime in the next couple of weeks, but now i think i'll hold off for some benchmarks with the x800. If the performance is better, than obviously i'll get the x800... and if the scores aren't that much better, than i might be able to get a refurb 9860 with 6800go for a better price!
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post #38 of 120
1/8/05 at 2:50pm
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Originally Posted by widds2v
I'm more than happy with a 6800go, $450 pctorque wants for a x800 upgrade is just outrageous.

Its not PCTorque, its SAGER. PCTorque is a reseller and the people that you would be sending your laptop to, are SAGER, not PCTorque.
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post #39 of 120
1/8/05 at 2:59pm
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Originally Posted by Eingang

So eighter they think, we are idiots or they just want this chance to make more money or both of it ? Or they are scared of bad customers sueing Sager for damages they made themselves ??
I think its probably the last one. While a lot of the people here on notebookforums might be able to perform it themselves, there are hundreds of others out there who have no experience with this kind of thing. Once they mess up their computer trying to do this upgrade, the bad reviews, phone calls, and overall abundant amount of hassle begins to pour down on Sager. Not to mention, the law suits and whatnot, that could occur.
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post #40 of 120
1/8/05 at 3:04pm
I would think that, at the very least, Sager should offer to upgrade the computer for free so that the user would be able to upgrade their own video card as promised in all the advertising. To now say that it was a feature that they hoped to be able to provide is BS. To be honest, I don't expect to upgrade from the 6800 to the X800. The X800 is supposed to be faster, but with no shader 3.0 support. Each has its advantages. Any upgrade would be to a future iteration of one card or the other. I should, however, be able to do it myself as Sager had promised in their literature. To now come out and say that this is not the case is false advertising. Is this how we are rewarded for taking a leap of faith and being among the first to order this machine?
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