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Sager 8890 or new Alienware 51m  

post #1 of 45
8/15/03 at 11:50am
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I am torn between these 2 units. I am leaning towards the Sager. What are the advantages/disadvantages? Which would you get?
post #2 of 45
8/15/03 at 11:54am
Considered a 5680?
post #3 of 45
8/15/03 at 12:01pm
This question has been answered in at least 1 dozen threads. Please lets not start another.

PS: 5680
post #4 of 45
8/15/03 at 12:09pm
Heck if you want to pay a grand more for glowing eyes be my guest but as for me 5680 all the way
post #5 of 45
8/15/03 at 12:12pm
I was torn between these two also. They are both fine machines, and I would be happy with either (but the 8890 has more desktop capabilities). The biggest reason why I chose the Area 51m is because of Alienware's financing program.
post #6 of 45
8/15/03 at 1:43pm
if money is no object, and glowing alien eyes blow yer skirt up, and ya want a perty paint job...go fer the AW.

your bank would be able to finance the sager. don't put it on a standard issue credit card.
post #7 of 45
8/15/03 at 2:32pm
I was considering AW's 51m for my next work PC, especially since their "cospiracy blue" color is almost a dead match for the primary color in my company's logo.

One of the major things that made me look elsewhere, and eventually order a 8890, was that you cannot get into their support area and forums without being a customer. That just doesn't fly with me. I like to check out support sites before I drop many thousands of dollars on a product.

-Mike
post #8 of 45
8/15/03 at 3:57pm

For the users who don't come to the Alienware section

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Originally posted by tdd
gpn:

I'm sure you'd get a different slant on things if you posted this on the AW board but you might want to look at ssweig's posts and responses here http://talknotebooks.com/showthread....5&pagenumber=3 and maybe also scan the posts in this thread http://talknotebooks.com/showthread....&threadid=5584 I really feel sorry for ssweig: his 1st AW and its RMA'd within an hour after he gets it (and he's the moderator of the AW board).

I guess AW builds good machines but you wouldn't know it by some of the things reported on their board. But, then again, it could be that only the folks that have problems are posting.

Whatever choice you make, best of luck with it.
Hello. For those of you that don't look in the Alienware section of the Sager Forums, I thought I would post in this thread and give you a quick rundown. I ordered an Area-51 desktop and I received it in about 2.5 weeks which is pretty good. Upon setting it up, it would not boot. I opened the case and the cpu had broken out of its socket on the motherboard; DOA... I am not happy about it. Hopefully they will fix it in a timely manner. Most of you don't really know me. I am no Alienware fanboy; I do like the company and have used their computers and liked them. That is why I bought one. Right now, I am none too thrilled.... As it is for their laptop, it won't be out until the first week in september, so I do feel bad for everyone here who was expecting their 8890's to ship today... it seems like there is a problem with components and I think that is the reason for the delays. I hope everyone gets their machines soon. I myself like the 5680 and now it looks like that will be in september also.... It is tough for everyone; no matter what company you buy from....

Steve
post #9 of 45
8/15/03 at 4:22pm

deals....

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Originally posted by tdd
Steve:

Since they're taking your machine back and you've waited this long and now even longer, maybe you can work a deal with AW customer service to upgrade you to the new one with the module. Worth a try.

tdd

Well, that is interesting but mine is a desktop. They won't do anything towards the new laptop. I will give them the opportunity to fix this problem in a timely manner. If they don't, I will send everything back and will obviously have to think twice before I order anything from them again. If they do fix the problem, I will be satisfied. Problems and mistakes do happen and I will give them a chance to fix the problem. If they do, great.. they will have a repeat customer, if not.. I will take my business elsewhere... like I said, although I like the new Area-51m and the price range is now $2200-$3200 which is quite reasonable, I also like the 5680. So if Alienware fails me, I will definitely consider getting the Sager 5680 with a nice paint job; from PC Torque of course.... I have no blind loyalty to any company. I do like Alienware and like moderating the section but if they don't fix the situation I will go elsewhere for my computer needs.... I already know where I would go for my next laptop if Alienware fails me..

Steve
post #10 of 45
8/15/03 at 5:17pm
Yeah, good idea give them a chance to fix thier mistake and if they dont well...hehhehe do i hear a 5680 in the wind
post #11 of 45
8/15/03 at 6:01pm

right on...

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Originally posted by Spaxspore
Yeah, good idea give them a chance to fix thier mistake and if they dont well...hehhehe do i hear a 5680 in the wind
you are right on the money... I wll give them one chance to fix this issue. If they fail... I will have no problem getting the Sager 5680 with a beautiful paint job from PC Torque.... we shall see what they do.......



Steve
post #12 of 45
8/15/03 at 9:13pm

Re: Re: deals....

Quote:
Originally posted by tdd
Steve:

I really thought you guys were talking about a notebook in the "AW Abduction" thread. Anyway, they should give you something for the inconvenience. BTW, what are the system specs on the desktop? If you already posted this somewhere, just let me know.

Cheers
Hello. Yes, it was a desktop. I don't know if they are going to give me anything; all I want is my computer back working the way it is supposed to. I had them listed but they are no longer on the forum due to some thread difficulties. It is a nice system. I will keep people updated on the progress. I am hoping for the best...


Steve
post #13 of 45
8/15/03 at 10:26pm

This question has been answered in at least 1 dozen threads. Please lets not start an

YOU ARE WRONG!!! Its been answered two dozen...you need to keep better count dude!!
and ss, youll prolly be taking ALOT of aw potentials with you possiblly.

And somebody said aw price was more exp. Im not sure now...ill have to check the sager site myself. I heard it may not be as expensive.
post #14 of 45
8/16/03 at 12:09am

Re: This question has been answered in at least 1 dozen threads. Please lets not start an

Quote:
Originally posted by Icefluxx
YOU ARE WRONG!!! Its been answered two dozen...you need to keep better count dude!!
and ss, youll prolly be taking ALOT of aw potentials with you possiblly.

And somebody said aw price was more exp. Im not sure now...ill have to check the sager site myself. I heard it may not be as expensive.
Hello Icefluxx. I am not trying to get people to buy anything. I was posting my experience I am having with Alienware. Also I posted that Alienware's prices have come down for the new lappy. The price range is $2200-$3200; which is quite reasonable. I posted in this thread because as I was browsing the sager section, I came across this thread... and I thought it would be nice if I posted my experience with Alienware; especially to show people that I am not an Alienware fanatic. and also because a lot of people here don't browse the Alienware section.... The sagers are really nice machines and I do like the 5680...
post #15 of 45
8/16/03 at 3:31am

okay

oh i understand. i dont take it that way. your opinion is valued highly in the aw forums, so it may sway some others (the aw experience isnt cool, and i hope you get your box back in tact) also, i did mention that the aws may be cheaper than a sager (did i just say that???)
but, its all good!!
post #16 of 45
8/16/03 at 3:44pm
Alienware has the configuratior for the new Sentia up on their website. The Sentia is a Centrino-based thin-and-light machine (5.5 lbs) rather than a heavyweight performance powerhouse, so it isn't really comprable to the 5680 and 8890, but the base price is $1800.

There are a couple advertised features, like custom paint jobs, that aren't available yet through the configurator, but that's comprable to the UXGA or 802.11g internal wireless not being available yet on the 8890.


In other pricing news, Voodoo has released the configurator for their version of the 8890, the Voodoo M:600. Prices start at $3116.90, a model equivalent to the NP8890-V is closer to $3750.


As for the new Alienware Area-51m, the least you can pay for a current one is still over $2200, before rebates or volume pricing. I would expect the new version of the machine will sell for at least $200 or so more than the old one, but, then again, Alienware did switch suppliers for their components (they no longer use Clevo) so pricing may change dramatically due to changes in AW's cost to build the machine.

-phubar
post #17 of 45
8/17/03 at 1:38am
Actually from what i've been reading AW is attempting to undercut competitors by dropping its prices to reasonable levels, so pricing is up in the air until the release the unit

Honestly, I'll bet right on the money the 5680 and the area-51m release around the same time, and cost around the same.
post #18 of 45
8/17/03 at 6:25am

Alienware & Sager are build by CLEVO

Did you compare Alienware's m51, http://www.alienware.com/system_pages/area-51m.aspx, with Sager's 5670 https://pctorque.com/5620.php?

These machines are both build by Clevo and based on the same motherboard and specifications. Alienware asks a lot of money for being sexy!

The 8890, https://pctorque.com/8890.php, supports a faster processor (also future Prescott), has faster 800FSB double channel memory, 1GB ethernet, et cetera and a bigger case that offers more room and possibilities for future upgrades and extensions. It is more expensive and less portable.
post #19 of 45
8/17/03 at 9:29am
Uh, hanko, the new area 51m will support the same processor, the same ram, i believe a 1gig ether (steve will have to check for me.) and is not supposed to be a 8890, its only comparison is the 5680, and the only differences between them are motherboards and upgradbility. Comparing a new laptop with a 6 month old one is silly. Oh, and the new area 51m is not clevo, it is uniwell.
post #20 of 45
8/17/03 at 9:29am

Re: Alienware & Sager are build by CLEVO

Quote:
Originally posted by hanko panko
Did you compare Alienware's m51, http://www.alienware.com/system_pages/area-51m.aspx, with Sager's 5670 https://pctorque.com/5620.php?

These machines are both build by Clevo and based on the same motherboard and specifications. Alienware asks a lot of money for being sexy!

The 8890, https://pctorque.com/8890.php, supports a faster processor (also future Prescott), has faster 800FSB double channel memory, 1GB ethernet, et cetera and a bigger case that offers more room and possibilities for future upgrades and extensions. It is more expensive and less portable.
Yo... did you read the last post? Or the many others? Alienware is no longer using Clevo!!! they will also have 3.2 ghz P4's, 800 mhz FSB, gigabit ethernet, M10 Pro... and there are no definites with Prescott. The price range for the Alienware will be between $2200-$3200... a Sager 5680 with a paint job will just about put these machines at the same price... the case may be bigger than the new Alienware but it also weighs like 4 more pounds and the more you add the heavier it gets....

Steve
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