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post #41 of 125
2/4/05 at 11:08pm
hey will i be able to use an amd turion for heaving gaming and progs like photoshop?
will it AT LEAST run as fast as ma amd 64 3200+ desktop
or should i get an amd 64 dtr
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post #42 of 125
2/4/05 at 11:45pm
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Originally Posted by ccbl91
hey will i be able to use an amd turion for heaving gaming and progs like photoshop?
will it AT LEAST run as fast as ma amd 64 3200+ desktop
or should i get an amd 64 dtr
who knows, its not even out. I kinda interest in those compact computer, especially the FragBOX II. GOOD FOR lan party baby !
But its tooooooooooo damnnnnnnnnnnnnn loud
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post #43 of 125
2/5/05 at 12:57am
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Originally Posted by ccbl91
hey will i be able to use an amd turion for heaving gaming and progs like photoshop?
will it AT LEAST run as fast as ma amd 64 3200+ desktop
or should i get an amd 64 dtr

For gaming/Lan party, why not just pay less for a DTR. A thin and light design won't give you any advantages at a LAN party. But either way, the AMD 64s are hands down the only ones that should be used for gaming, the PM simply can't keep up.
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post #44 of 125
2/5/05 at 12:59am
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Originally Posted by snorre
No, but 64-bit will represent a major improvement for computational heavy apps (e.g. audio/video encoding). The possibility to address much more virtual memory will also benefit most data intensive apps (e.g. audio/video editing).

So 64 Bit won't allow faster mathematical calculations in calculator
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post #45 of 125
2/5/05 at 1:10am
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Originally Posted by MichaelX30
So 64 Bit won't allow faster mathematical calculations in calculator
Sure it will if the calculator is a native 64-bit app, but since this hardly qualifies as a very compute intensive app I don't think you will notice much performance difference.
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post #46 of 125
2/5/05 at 1:21am
I have an amd64 desktop and love it!
but, even when they release windows 64 , there was an article at pcworld, that MOST 32bit applications dont work. In the windows 64 edition there are two internet Explorers 32bit and 64bit, cause a lot of java and other plugin's dont work for 64bit O/S yet. Reality is until they really start developing 64bit application to actually use the Processor to the full advantage its just as good as a 32bit processor.

Now when we get the combination of programs and O/S (ie. Longhorn) that will do 64bit applications then we will see that translation of speed
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post #47 of 125
2/5/05 at 1:37am
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Originally Posted by lastdon
there was an article at pcworld, that MOST 32bit applications dont work. In the windows 64 edition there are two internet Explorers 32bit and 64bit, cause a lot of java and other plugin's dont work for 64bit O/S yet.
Well, then I suggest that you see this recent review of Windows XP Professional x64 Edition RC1:
http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_cont...xp64rc1&page=1
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The vast majority of 32-bit programs and games work fine under Windows XP Professional x64 Edition. Out of the two dozen or so applications which we tested under the OS, only a scant few had any sorts of configuration issues. One of the major issues which applications seem to fault on is the default install directory. Many of today’s programs will try to use C:\Program Files as their default install path. In the case of Windows XP Professional 64-bit Edition, this directory is reserved for 64-bit programs only. 32-bit software is to be installed in the C:\Program Files (x86) directory. Thus, if you don't specifically tell the software where to be stored (choosing for quick software installs), sometimes the installation routines will fail.

According to Microsoft's release notes, there are still quite a few applications which are still incompatible with the latest x64 Editions, including BlackICE, Diskkeeper, Napster, ZoneAlarm, EZ-CD Creator, and virus-scanners from Norton and McAfee. Judging from the list, it appears that many of XP Pro x64's compatibility issues stem from software which tries to embed services and / or specific drivers into the OS to load upon startup. In situations like these, you would need to download specific 64-bit versions from the manufacturer in order to run them in this OS.

All of the major Windows components are up and running in x64 Edition, including Windows Media Player, Windows Firewall, and Windows Security Center, all of which are native 32-bit applications. Windows XP Professional x64 Edition is actually based on Microsoft's Service Pack 1 (not SP2, like 32-bit), but still includes the Security Center features which Microsoft added to the 32-bit XP Pro in SP2.
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post #48 of 125
2/5/05 at 3:33am
yeh the point being though until most applications run fine, and the end users dont need to know what to change really isn't a point in moving to the 64bit o/s, most people will jump on that horse, and then complain. Personally i wouldn't move on it. and really u can sit here and judge a 32bit application on a 32bit system and now how it's goin got react etc etc and the speed it should take to load up, whereas there isn't many or if any actual 64bit applications out there to actually take advantage of the 64bit processing power of the amd chip.

So really what would be the point of moving in to the 64bit o/s using 32bit applications? it's not takin any advantage at all, since the cpu has to use 32bit translations.

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Results were generally close to those achieved by the same desktop running XP Pro: In some cases XP Pro was a bit faster, and in others XP X64 was quicker.

In my informal tests, however, a number of applications wouldn't install, including several programs from Microsoft. Some of these were applications that historically have been written for specific versions of Windows, such as PowerToys for Windows XP (including the highly practical Tweak UI) and most major antivirus and security packages. I also couldn't install the beta of MSN Toolbar Suite and the finished version of Photo Story 3. Office 2003 SP1 did install, but only after displaying a confusing error message.
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/...73,pg,2,00.asp

but in reality we can only assume how fast it will be ( the 64bit o/s not the amd chips as we know they kick some serious derrieres ) because there isn't any 64bit application like i said that can utilize the memory resources the x64 bit o/s can give.
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post #49 of 125
2/5/05 at 12:46pm
The benefits of 64-bit computing are pretty clear to me anyway, as I wouldn't even consider anything else right now especially since Windows XP x64 Edition is coming out just in a few months time. Shortly after alot of 64-bit apps & games will come available that will take advantage of the speed boost, bigger memory and enhanced reliability. The future is 64-bit, no doubt about it!
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post #50 of 125
2/5/05 at 1:03pm
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The future is 64-bit, no doubt about it!
the future is amd too... lol
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post #51 of 125
2/5/05 at 1:44pm
oh yeh man i am not arguing wiht u
amd all the way
though my laptop is a centrino at the moment, i needed something really light ( was gonna get the ferrari, but the colour eeeee ) anyway though

it's ok i guess igot the amd 3400 clawhammer on my desktop that is good enough for me but amd all the way ( i feel like a trader with my intel laptop lol)
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post #52 of 125
2/5/05 at 3:17pm
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post #53 of 125
2/5/05 at 3:32pm
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Originally Posted by a_d_y_a
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? remain silence?
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post #54 of 125
2/5/05 at 7:01pm
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Originally Posted by unholy
? remain silence?
i really dont want to go out and make people understand that 64 bits is the way to go and AMD too..

most of them have been brain washed with too much marketing..

i prefer silence in such situations..
especially when we have a very vocal snorre on our side
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post #55 of 125
2/6/05 at 12:37am
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Originally Posted by a_d_y_a
i really dont want to go out and make people understand that 64 bits is the way to go and AMD too..

most of them have been brain washed with too much marketing..

i prefer silence in such situations..
especially when we have a very vocal snorre on our side
I like amd not cux it is 64bit way to go, cux its kick Intel's ass when come to gaming AND also very good in other stuff which kick centrino's ass in PERFORMANCE.

therefore, Intel is pretty suk ass cux they are more expensive n always claim how damn good when come to gaming.
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post #56 of 125
2/6/05 at 12:43am
i dunno personally i like amd for desktops and something in laptops In current time not a month or three months away..

Now if the turion was out, no doubt about it i would of bought it, if it had good battery life.

When i think laptop/notebook, i think of it as something portable, something long lasting in battery life, not to sit around and play games on, better performance on a nice juiced up desktop if you ask me.

But, fromthe looks of it, centrio/intel are ahead on the notebook department until AMD pushes the new chip out!
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post #57 of 125
2/6/05 at 4:44am
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for god sake when will Sager release a damn AMD64 PCIE x700 gaming notebook for us amd users? I have been waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting til my neck hurts n my legs feel lumb and spider web forming all around me. Sager, just get the damn notebook from whatsoever company cux U know we willl buy it from you damn it !. The sooner you release, the more customer u will get cux lots of ppl have been waiting for it !
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post #58 of 125
2/6/05 at 10:47am
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Originally Posted by lastdon
i dunno personally i like amd for desktops and something in laptops In current time not a month or three months away..

Now if the turion was out, no doubt about it i would of bought it, if it had good battery life.
Turion 64 will be available within 2 months according to this:
http://www.digitimes.com/systems/a20050205A2003.html

And e.g. Arima has already released specs of Turion 64-based notebooks like the W622-DK8X model:
http://www.arima.com.tw/ViewProduct.asp?View=138

Low-power Mobile Athlon 64 3200+, 15.4" WUXGA, PCI Express chipset, Mobility Radeon X700 128MB, 2.59kg (5.69 lbs), 4.5 hours battery life, etc.

That's better specs than the best "Sonoma"-based notebooks available today...

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Originally Posted by lastdon
When i think laptop/notebook, i think of it as something portable, something long lasting in battery life, not to sit around and play games on, better performance on a nice juiced up desktop if you ask me.

But, fromthe looks of it, centrio/intel are ahead on the notebook department until AMD pushes the new chip out!
With the low-power Mobile Athlon 64 at 25W AMD will have a better chip compared to the new Pentium M 533FSB at 27W.
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post #59 of 125
2/6/05 at 11:56am
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With the low-power Mobile Athlon 64 at 25W AMD will have a better chip compared to the new Pentium M 533FSB at 27W.
AMD already kicks ass and will continue that way...
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post #60 of 125
2/6/05 at 3:50pm
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Originally Posted by snorre
Turion 64 will be available within 2 months according to this:
http://www.digitimes.com/systems/a20050205A2003.html

And e.g. Arima has already released specs of Turion 64-based notebooks like the W622-DK8X model:
http://www.arima.com.tw/ViewProduct.asp?View=138

Low-power Mobile Athlon 64 3200+, 15.4" WUXGA, PCI Express chipset, Mobility Radeon X700 128MB, 2.59kg (5.69 lbs), 4.5 hours battery life, etc.

That's better specs than the best "Sonoma"-based notebooks available today...


With the low-power Mobile Athlon 64 at 25W AMD will have a better chip compared to the new Pentium M 533FSB at 27W.
I wonder when will they make a 17 inches DTR for the hardcore gaming user like us
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