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post #21 of 82
1/25/05 at 5:23pm
Yes you are correct, the actually price has not changed much.
You notice that because you have spent much more time than the average person. Most people do not really know what they need in a lap top and can be swayed.

Edit: Note that they can and do lower the Front page pricing (now at $1349) to get more attention and then charge a little more for standard upgrades such as ram or wireless card to make the bottom line price come out the same as you have noticed.

Notice the following table. The 9200 used to be lumped in with the $250 group. Since they are now promoting it separately from the rest it will get more peoples attentions and more clicks and therefore more sales. Marketing 101. Dells would not be where it is without knowing this.

Purchase: Get:
Inspiron XPS notebooks $350 Off Instantly
Insprion 9200 notebooks $300 Off Instantly
Inspiron 8600, 700m, 600m or 5160 notebooks $250 Off Instantly
Inspiron 6000 notebooks $200 Off Instantly
here

I adimt is not a huge blow out sale but its definatly a change in Marketing Stragety. Read into it what you will.
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post #22 of 82
1/25/05 at 5:32pm
Just checked prices now.
As equiped above"

Was $1478 through small biz 3 weeks ago.

Now,
Dell Home: $1548 after $300 instant savings, but does include free CDRW/DVD instead of just DVD.

Now,
Dell Small Biz identical setup (DVD only) $1424 after $275 instant savings (up from $250 this morning)
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post #23 of 82
1/25/05 at 6:13pm
LeafsBlow29
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Dell keeps a very small inventory, theres no point in keeping a warehouse stocked just to have all your inventory become outdated by something new.
LeafsBlow29 is correct. (Call me obsessive, my wife does)
According to Dell's 3rd Quarter report they keep only 4 Days Supply in Inventory.
Pretty impressive actually, but also means they are subject to supplier delays.
So no need to blow out 9200 inventory, yet. Unless they have purchased too many 9200 specific parts. But i doubt it.

So I still think they marketing for my previous #1 "Dell is incentives people to buy a 9200 now and not wait. (those in the know of 9300) "

Q3FY05FS
October 29 2004 , July 30 2004 , October 31 2003,
Ratios:
Quick ratio 0.91 0.81 0.80
Days supply in inventory 4 4 4
Days of sales outstanding (a) 33 31 31
Days in accounts payable 71 70 71
Cash conversion cycle (34) (35) (36)
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post #24 of 82
1/25/05 at 6:16pm
You're reading way too much into their pricing. Dell plays pricing games practically every day, sometimes to control inventory levels, sometimes to meet revenue goals, sometimes just because they feel like it.
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post #25 of 82
1/25/05 at 6:22pm
I'm thinking about getting a 9300, but I'm afraid of the battery life. I need a decent desktop replacement college laptop that will offer decent battery life for some of my classes.
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post #26 of 82
1/25/05 at 7:20pm
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Originally Posted by dellbert
You're reading way too much into their pricing. Dell plays pricing games practically every day, sometimes to control inventory levels, sometimes to meet revenue goals, sometimes just because they feel like it.
Maybe I am. No, I know I am. Too much free time in the office today I guess.

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Originally Posted by Marines920
I'm thinking about getting a 9300, but I'm afraid of the battery life. I need a decent desktop replacement college laptop that will offer decent battery life for some of my classes.
Well, At the risk of being to presumptuous lets start off with what we know.

1. 9200 has great battery life(if you disagree stop reading) and is current gen chipset with ATI 9700.

2. Sonoma chipset uses MORE power than current gen chipset. (Based on reviews)

3. ATI 9700 was designed to be High end Graphics when built NOT power friendly.

Assumptions:
1. X300 is low cost option for i9300. This IS designed as low cost graphics. I can’t find any power specs but based on pictures, the x300 has less components so I thinks its safe to assume will use LESS power than 9700.

Conclusion.
All other things being equal,
power will consumption as follows:
i9300 Sonoma > i9200 (don’t remember the code name)
i9300 GPU X300 < i9200 GPU 9700

Therefore,
Batter Life of i9300 ~= i9200.

No significant change.

However, (yes there is a however)
If the i9300 has a different 17" display, that COULD cause significant differences. But Dell has gotten a lot of praise for its i9200 battery life and I don’t think they would want to loose that.

Did I put everyone to sleep?
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post #27 of 82
1/25/05 at 7:45pm
Why would you want a 9300 with an X300? That's about half the performance of the MR9700.

I always assumed everybody was hot about the go6800 in the 9300. The go6800 is a power hog at something like 35W. Unless Dell has a miracle in their pocket, the 9300 with go6800 will have less than half the battery life of the 9200.
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post #28 of 82
1/25/05 at 7:58pm
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Originally Posted by dellbert
Why would you want a 9300 with an X300? That's about half the performance of the MR9700.
Because not everyone is a hard core gamer and willing to shell out top dollar for top of the line graphics.

It makes sense for dell to sell the X300 and the go6800.
Different end users, same chassy.

If you read the ATI Marketing propaganda about the X300 it sounds good enought for most. Definatly superior to integrated graphics and those are good enought for most also.

As I predicted in another post based on info from this form and other sources.
9300/XPS2 relationship will be simmilar to 9100/XPS.

Bottom end:
9300 - 1.6Ghz, WXGA+, 256Mb DDR2 400 Ram(or cheapest functional), ATI X300 $1400-$1600

Top End:
9300/XPS2 - 2.1Ghz(or latest available), WUXGA, 1GB DDR2 533 Ram, Go6800 256Mb $2400-2600

Yes, I have too much free time today.
What was the point of this topic anyway.
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post #29 of 82
1/25/05 at 8:25pm
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Originally Posted by DaddyOf2Girls
Because not everyone is a hard core gamer and willing to shell out top dollar for top of the line graphics.
Yeah, that would be me. The 9200 is perfect for that segment. It doesn't make sense for somebody like me to wait for the 9300 since the only thing it adds is kick-butt graphics and minor performance improvements at the cost of battery life.

I suppose an argument could be made that a non-hardcore gamer like me might want to wait for the 9300 just to have PCIe upgradability, but in my experience, the other components of the laptop will have become obsolete by the time I'm ready to upgrade, so I'm not sure that's a huge win.

IMHO, the only people who should wait for the 9300 are those who are in the market for a mobile gaming rig. It doesn't make sense to buy a laptop like the iXPS or other lappies based on desktop chipsets right now.
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post #30 of 82
1/25/05 at 9:08pm
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Originally Posted by Marines920
I'm thinking about getting a 9300, but I'm afraid of the battery life. I need a decent desktop replacement college laptop that will offer decent battery life for some of my classes.

on average the i9300 will use more battery then the i9200. But the person who posted below you is also correct. You can always play around with settings to get better battery life, but when its all said and done i just have a feeling that the i9200 will have better life then the i9300.
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post #31 of 82
1/25/05 at 9:24pm
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Originally Posted by dellbert
Yeah, that would be me. The 9200 is perfect for that segment. It doesn't make sense for somebody like me to wait for the 9300 since the only thing it adds is kick-butt graphics and minor performance improvements at the cost of battery life.
I would agree. Usually PC manufactures target a specific price point. Since Sonoma chipset will cost more, Dell will have to offer an inexpensive graphics card to put it in the proper price range. But for gamers with frame rate at all costs mentality dell throws them a bone at a primum price. So you could conclude the 9200 may be a better value for a medium-core gammer than i9300.

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Originally Posted by dellbert
but in my experience, the other components of the laptop will have become obsolete by the time I'm ready to upgrade,
Sometime in 2006 the Napa chipset will be released with its Duel Core Moble processors, making Sonoma obsolete.
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post #32 of 82
1/25/05 at 9:27pm
I wonder if Windows 64 can run on I9300.
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post #33 of 82
1/25/05 at 9:49pm
I haven't seen any mention of 64 bit extensions on sonoma. I would think that would have been big news if it did.

It looks like the i9300 still won't have the upgraded audio, ExpressCard or gigabit ethernet.
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post #34 of 82
1/25/05 at 10:03pm
The 9300 will be like the 9200 in that it will only have a single graphics card, the Go6800. I highly doubt there will be a X300 option.

As for battery life I can promise you they are going to try to be as good as the 9200 and I'm sure their goal is to be better (wether they make it or not is yet to be seen). I think the 9300 will be a killer box for gamers who dont want fork out the extra cash for the XPS. The XPS Gen2/9300 will be like the XPS Gen1/9100 was. The 9300 will lose the edge in graphics performance but will gain battery life.
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post #35 of 82
1/25/05 at 10:11pm
I hope you're right, yellow. The 9300 looks promissing... but I can't imagine equal battery life. The Go6800 seems like such a drain... if Dell could somehow use a 15.4" screen instead.. then it might be better... but alas, no :-(
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post #36 of 82
1/25/05 at 10:22pm
I think the 15.4" is going to be on the next XPS and probably the i8600 replacement. I saw a $500 off coupon for all the old dell Inspirons (8600, 700m, 600m, 5160, and 1000) in the Dell coupon section, so as I said in another topic, it looks like Dell is trying to move out those models for their replacements. I'm game for the i8600 successor IF it has a good graphics card (which it should IMO).
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post #37 of 82
1/25/05 at 10:27pm
I meant to say that they are "going to try" to be as good as the I9200. I bet they can slow down/throttle the Go6800 slightly like they did with 9700 in the I9200. We'll see, I'm pretty excited about the I9300 myself, I expect 2+ hours, killer GPU performance and a nice WUXGA (learning from the I9200 WUXGA problems).
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post #38 of 82
1/25/05 at 10:39pm
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Originally Posted by yellowlt4
I meant to say that they are "going to try" to be as good as the I9200.
Dell is not going to try much of anything. They are famous for spending very little on R+D. They will simply take what Intel and nVidia give them. All of the parts are already in production, so you can figure out what their power budget is. Take something like the Sager 9860 and substitute the power requirements of the P4 chipset with Sonoma, and you'll have a very good guess at how many watts the 9300 will suck.

I haven't done the math, but the 9300 is probably going to get less than half the battery life of the 9200.
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post #39 of 82
1/25/05 at 10:59pm
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Originally Posted by dellbert
Dell is not going to try much of anything. They are famous for spending very little on R+D. They will simply take what Intel and nVidia give them.
I can tell you from experience from working with all three of these companies that this is not completely true. I can also say with confidence that Dell gets a bad rap for what they do offer in the R&D departments.

You are correct in that with these components there isn't alot they can do but I bet they have been actively engaged with NVIDIA and Intel to give the I9300 the best battery performance they can get.
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post #40 of 82
1/26/05 at 2:58am
Wow interesting forum u guys!

I just wanted to bring up soemthing i never heard of about dell. I would have to agree that dell is a company that is proud of their short inventory time. 4 days of inventory means that if anything goes and lets say nobody wants this particular computer anymore, 4 days of inventory down the drain is signifigantly less then 30 days of inventory. Aside from that great advantage, having short inventory also means lower cost in storage, insurances, etc alot of other cost can be cut!

That brings me to the point where i will argue that dell does not play around with the price (lowering, raising) to squeeze out their inventory.. They simply do not need to do that. What they are doing with lowering and raising their cost is to simply squeeze dry the MARKET for those particular computers. That means, dell sell more of them, not to sell all of them.

Hope that make sense
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