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Newbie in Laptops, Need Guidance on choosing Toshiba/Asus, Please Help

post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 
Hi , I considered myself to be a new bie in laptops worlds.
And i need help From all the Pros out there to advise me to choose a good laptop for me :P
.
Anyway my first laptop was a Texas Instrument Travel mate With P 150 MMX
that was long ago, now it already died :P
after that i use a desktop system cause i have a trauma using laptop as my texas Instrument suffer from a lots of bad sectors on the Hard Disk

But soon after that i bought this So called "desk note" from ECS which is bassically a laptop without a built-in Battery, with Celeron 1,0 Shared V card, 256 MB, and 20 G hard disk, it's very basic, but i'm quite satisfied with it,
Cause i Find desktop to be very untidy on my work table, alot of wires and eat alot of spaces

Anyway, now i'm in search for a "real" laptop as time for me to upgrade from my ECS desknote.

I will use it mainly to surf the net, Making Excel, managing and editing my videos, picture, and MP3s. Gaming wise i only play those like NBA Live, or Championship Manager, Im not in to those 3D games.
Ill connect it mainly to AC outlet, as i Seldom bring my laptop around, so battery life is not a big problem with me. And i want a 15'4 Wide screen.
Anyway i want it to be good built and last long.


What i Have in mind is Asus W1N and Toshiba Satellite M30 Special Edition.

The Spec as follow;

ASUS W1BNA:
-15'4 WXGA
-Pentium M 1,7 Dothan
-512 MB DDR
-60 G HArd Disk
-Combo Drive DVD-CDRW
-No TV Tuner
-ATi Radeon 9600 With 64 MB Dedicated.
Price US $ 2050

ASUS W1SNA:
-15'4 WSXGA
-Pentium M 1,8 Dothan
-512 MB DDR
-80 G Hard Disk
-Dual DVD RW
-Built In TV Tuner
-Ati M10-CSP 64 MB (Is It The same with Radeon 9600 ? Or Printing Mistake in the brochure ??)
Price US $ 2300

Toshiba M30 Special Edition:
-15'4 WXGA With Clear Super View
-Pentium M 1,7 Banias
-1 G DDR
-60 G Hard Disk
-DVD RW
-Ge FOrce FX Go 5200 With 64 MB
Price US $ 2350

Asus M6BNE;
-15"4 WXGA
-Pentium 1,6 Dothan
-256 MB DDR
-60 G Hard Disk
-Ati Radeon 9700 With 64 MB
-DVD-CDRW Combo
Price US $ 1400


Which Will Suit Me better for My Needs ??
and How Small the fonts on the WSXGA Compared to WXGA ?? Will it be very hard to see ??
And Brand Wise, Which Has a better Built ?? Toshiba / Asus ?
Actually , here in My country, Toshiba is more popular, and have a lot of spare parts for it , so i need no worry, but this Asus which is not so popular brand in my country have a very tempting warranty, which is 2 years international warranty with Replacement, no question Asked.

Actally i like the model and design of the W1 very much, It's very sleek and compare to the Toshiba which i think very bland, and normal Looking. But I have No Idea wheter the Asus Will Be A better build or Worse.
AS for the M6BNE , i also consider that cause i've read a lot of Good Review of them in this great Forum.

Please guide me to get a perfect Machines for me,
and a better buy for me.
Money Is no Object, But I Need Reliabillity and performance, also a Good Screen.
Thank You Very much
Sorry for My broken English.
post #2 of 23
Thread Starter 
no one care to help ???
please :P
post #3 of 23
I think for the price vs. features comparison, the Asus M6Ne is your best bet.
post #4 of 23

SOme suggestions to make laptop decisions

Dont go for Pentium M as they are slow( I have one..Centrino
HP DV 1000)...unless u are concerned about battery life.You dont get performance from these laptops.

The best laptop at $1250(best config for money) ($150 instant rebate alternate week) from Bestbuy is Gateway 7422 GX...with 1Gb Ram, Athlon 64 processor, 8X Double layer DVD/CD writer,Ultrabrite 15.4 screen etc

There are many with AMD AThlon 64 but above one is best value for money.
Dont buy HP A64 lappie as they have outdated 3 yrs old graphics card.

As a matter of fact dont go for any current Intel for the following reaosns:
1)Non of the Intel has 32-64 bit processors. Intel will only launch it in May 2005(hope so) and all todays 32 bit processors will be outdated.Remember what happened to 486(16 bit) when 32 bit(pentium) came.

Intel today for server market is telling 64 bit is the way to go, tomorrow when it has has notebook 64 bit ptocessor...in 4 months it will tell the same thing and people who have bought 32 bit Intel...will feel sorry

2)Go for a laptop with dedicated graphics ram as future Microsoft OS longhorn will require a good graphics card.

DO some more research and you will come to this conclusion
post #5 of 23
Have disagree on the P-M. It is one of the best designed/implemented processors ever. It's speeds are comparable to P.4s (multiply by 1.5, e.g. 2.0 P-M x 1.5 = 3.0 P4, though some say to multiply by as much as 1.7 or 1.8).
post #6 of 23

Compare Performance with price

Check the price Index.... Intel Vs AMD

For eg: The equation costwise
1.5 Ghz Pentium M Cost = Cost of 2.2 Athlon 64

2.2 Athlon 64 performs better than 3.4 Ghz P4

Addition factor is 1.2Ghz + Pentium M= P4 speed performance
eg 2Ghz Pentium M = 3.2 Ghz P4

That means you have to throw couple of hundreds more to get a Centrino equivalent to Athlon 64.

Check the link for speed/performance,

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...px?i=2129&p=11

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...px?i=2129&p=10
post #7 of 23
Granted the AMD64 is a better "value" and performs better than the P-M, but the P-M gets, in some instances, twice the battery life.
post #8 of 23
Battery consumption is highest in ( Highest on top)

P4 (89 watts)
Athlon 64 (62 watts)
PM (25 watts)

In above order.

Centrino is good because it has longer battery life. It is 9 micron whereas others are 13 micron technology.

AMD is comming out with Turion 64( 9 micron technology) in APril...which is termed as Centrino Killer. It has much advanced functions than the Centrino-2
(Intel Sonoma) and will consume 30 watts.
post #9 of 23
Also the overall weight of a laptop containing the centrino platform is less compared to that of a AMD processor. Granted the Athlon 64 is future proof, but its battery life sucks as stated above. But the performance of the P-M is nothing to rule out. I've played Doom3 on the old P-M Banias 1.5ghz at medium-high settings and it ran fine. If you could wait I would go for the AMD 64 bit processor named "Lancaster" I think is coming out the end of the year (i'm not sure, but many threads on it). That is suppose to consume less power and have 64 bit capabilities. But if you need one now, I would say go Centrino. Good LUck
post #10 of 23
"Remember what happened to 486(16 bit) when 32 bit(pentium) came."

Ummm the 286 was the 16 bit processor and the 386 was the 32-bit one. Your statement is totally wrong.

Simple rule, 1.) decide what you want your computer to do. 2.) Look at benchmarks of systems doing that work. 3.) buy the one that does what you want it to do fastest and at the pricepoint you are looking for.

The CPU speed, type, architecture don't matter. AGP4x, AGP8x, PCIe, don't matter. DDR1, DDR2, SDRAM, RDRAM? Don't matter. All that matters is that the platform meets your performance requirements.
post #11 of 23
Thread Starter 
ok, thx for the infos, but the problem is that very hard for me to find an AMD laptops in My country, as is not as popular to those Intel's
based on the 4 i choose above, which is the best for me ??
and also does ASus make AMD based laptops ??
post #12 of 23
Check below link to get all Athlon 64 notebooks from Asus or anyone

http://www.amdboard.com/athlon_64_notebook.html
post #13 of 23
Thread Starter 
ok back to the subject,
Which one has better build quality and reallibility
Asus or Toshiba ??
or any other brand ?
post #14 of 23
I will say it again, go with the Asus M6Ne
post #15 of 23
If money is no problem, get the W1SNA, the sxga screen and powerful Pentium M processor will be plenty (don't believe anyone saying the Pentium M is slow).

The m6bne is a better buy for the price, but not as sexy.

As for build quality, I have a toshiba from work, and the Asus builds are just as good if not better, are much sleeker, and have the international warranty.
post #16 of 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by 10-Dee-Q
ok back to the subject,
Which one has better build quality and reallibility
Asus or Toshiba ??
or any other brand ?
I think Asus build quality is better than Toshiba build quality.

I agree with ilCacciatore. The M6BNE is the best price vs. features value for your money.

If you want a laptop with an aluminum case, latchless lid, and higher resolution LCD, the buy the W1N. The W1N will have about 1 hour shorter battery life, and weigh 1lb more than the M6BNE. But if you like the way it looks and you like the LCD, and you can afford to pay the extra $1000, get the W1N.

See this link for EricT's comparison of a W1N vs. M6BNE.
http://notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=31066
post #17 of 23
Thread Starter 
thx :P
now i think i'm down to 2 choices. the M6BNE and the W1SNA
another question though, Is 1,8 Dothan much faster than 1,7 dothan or 1,7 banias ??
post #18 of 23
The banias chip is probably not even available... if it is, go with dothan, it has twice the cache size which makes a difference. Take a look at http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=2129&p=3 for more differences between banias and dothan.

Anyways, there won't be much difference between 1.7 and 1.8 unless benchmarking, but if money is not a concern, go with 1.8 because it's not much more expensive. Also, adding more RAM will make a lot more of a difference than 100mhz in cpu speed. Hope this helps. Cheers!
post #19 of 23
Thread Starter 
just saw the georgeus screen of W1 With WSXGA
i think can't resist it anymore, i think i'll buy the W1
hehhe
the screen and the design of the notebook is just fabulous!
post #20 of 23
Thread Starter 
are 512 MB of Ram sufficient for everyday use ?
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