New Powerbook - Page 2

um, why is it such a big deal if apple releases an upgrade for their machines in the amount of 166mhz, ppl boo, yet when an amd or intel chip iteration comes about, ppl reach for the ky jelly?

also, do some research. unless you're comparing the g4 to the g5 desktop systems, the bus is not necessarily slow. amd's processor bus still runs @ 200 w/ whatever multiplier. remember, ddr 400 memory doesn't actually run at 400mhz, it's essentially a double pumped bus, carrying 2 signals on the up and down, whereas sdr memory carried only 1 for each part of the signal. intel's 1066mhz bus, is if i remember right a quad-pumped bus which runs at a base 266mhz. mind u, the amd64 chips running on the 200mhz+ bus, as we know, kicks intel's arse. granted i'd like the apple laptops to have a 600mhz+ bus like powermacs, but interestingly enough my lowly, underpowered, 133mhz bus lets me do things on my mac that i can't do on my amd desktop with an overclocked 200mhz+ bus, go figure.

like what, just wondering

what are u talkign about? The top of the line powermac s barely faster than a 2.13ghz pentium m? Thats very slow! They dont offer pcie-express no SLI! Very outdated tech. Yes the g5 is still slow compared to intel and amd. they are getting faster and faster but they are still miles away from every being faster than an amd. By the way, those false benches apple has of syentific notation and crap like that who actually does that? N0 one! about 99 percent of us use it for gaming,word,internet,photo edit, movies and other stuff where the apple is jsut slow at. You may say apple is excellent in Photoshop but thats not true its a assumtion that apple excells in graphics. This is false apple has one of the worst capabilites for grpahics! Did u ever realzie that there becnhmakrs are carefully picked and they have an excuse for everything! Even Macword admits macs wll never be able to achive speeds comparable to pc's. Pc world and barefeats say that apple clearly is defeated in all of those areas including graphics! To tell you the truth if it wasnt for the ipod apple would be in bankrupt! Again im not trying to troll im just telling consumers the truth and not this crap apple tells us. I love apple and their operating system but im not paying 3 grand for something i could get for 800 bucks that came out 3 years+ ago. I jsut got a amd 3500+ with top of the line Nvidia card with lquid cooling and its fanless! its super quiet..faster than all of the dual g5's and its only 1,800. Hummm thats just as cheap as there entry line.

PowerMacs have PCI-X. While not being PCI-Express, it is significantly faster than PCI. Also, PowerMacs do have SLI capabilities.

While the clock speed of the G5 is slower than current offerings by Intel—AMD tops at 2.6 GHz—the performance is comparable or better because of the fact that the G5, like the AMD chips, can do more processes per cycle than the Intel chips.

And, believe it or not, but Apple is being adopted more and more in the syentific (sic) community because not only can a cluster of Apple computers become a super computer very easily, but that super computer runs the same OS as any other Mac. Also, because while you're running your scientific tools through the command line or X-window system on OS X, you can be typing up your research paper in MS Word and editing rendered simulation images and video at the same time. No longer do people in the scientific community have to dual boot to be able to do all the things they want/need to.

If Macworld has admitted that Macs will never run as fast as PCs, please find the link and post it here. Otherwise you're full of shit. Also, I don't know about PC World, but there are several Barefeats comparisions where Macs clearly out perform PCs. And in places where they don't beat PCs they are right behind.

The iPod as not the savior of Apple, though it didn't hurt. Fact is, that Apple started to really turn around when the original iMacs were released—those iMacs just happened to be the best selling computers in history so far.

And unless your spiffy new computer is a Dual Opteron or FX55 machine, it does NOT run anywhere near faster than a Dual G5. http://www.barefeats.com/macvpc.html The G5 isn't the fastest in all categories, but it's damn well near.

And yeah, you are trolling.

just as an update i got an even b etter deal amd 64 3800+ for 1500 bucks. But well talk more about that later! Umm accordign to Pc world every system almost beat the living hell ut of apple! Even the Amd 3200+ take a look http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/...49,pg,8,00.asp also it shows here that a pentium m beats a g5 in some benchmarks its kinda sad nbecuase the g5 has 1 more gig of ram than the laptop! it also shows the alien ware 3.4ghz beating the mac. Also it shows how well a xeon can destroy an apple http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/a...e.jsp?id=31193 This shows you how string apple excels in graphics THERE SO POWERFUL

good for you congrats. now if i personally think that gateways suck @ss should i stop over to the gateway section and let ppl know why i think they're wasting their $ and they could do better w/ another brand, chip, etc? or do u think maybe i should respect the needs, interests, and preferences of ppl and their systems?

god i can't believe u bought a gateway...

get the picture?

btw...most ppl use the price/performance ratio to berate Macs. congrats on finding an overpriced dual 3.6Ghz xeon workstation that beat up the dual 2Ghz G5s...and for only $1100 more! LMAO

oh yeah, just ran a quicktime export matching the specs noted in the PCworld review...
720x480 959 frames @ 30fps, which equals ~32 seconds of video:
RAW DV>.mov: 46 seconds
(if there were a way for me to do a screen cap of it w/o killing my system resources i'd post a video of it for u )

hmm, according to the PCWorld results, my 1.2GHZ G4, just tied the 3.2Ghz P4, and gave your noted 3200+ a run for it's money at a 40% clockspeed disadvantage.


i'm talking about MY experience working with 2 different OSes, both freshly installed and conducting run of the mill workloads (for me) such as video encoding, photoshop editing, DVD authoring, editing word documents, chatting, checking email, every 5 minutes, etc., all at the same time...oh yeah, and on a 1.2Ghz G4...without the OS stuttering while XP w/ the 3200+ chokes, turns blue in the face, and prays for the heimlich maneuver. if u'd care to express an opinion based upon your ownership and ongoing experience of a Powermac, er, any Mac rather, feel free. otherwise you are spouting drivel to support an opinion that is not based in your own experience. further trolling will not be tolerated.

there is no way that a 1.25 gh g4 is as fast as a 3.2ghz maybe in your world! Again select applications yea maybe you g4 did beat the Pentium 4 there but guess what Overall the pentium 4 is way way way way way way way faster than your g4! A g5 is comparable to a pentium 4 but by no means is it faster! There a 4+ ghz Pentium 4 out there and my amd 3800+ only costs around 1500 which beats the dual g5 2ghz easily! The 2ghz powermac g5 is comparable to a 3.4ghz pentium 4 when i was reading pc worlds benchmarks and pc mag! Face it mac's have always been behind pc and will never catch up. If my gateway is so bad how come its only 1.25inches thick and faster than a dual 2ghz g5! Tell me that? You may call me a mac hater but guess what I have mac's! a 17inch powerbook g4 which i was about to sell but now since apple fixed it ill keep it! But by no means is it fast, its dog slow!

Your looking at clockspeeds, not actual performance.

The x86 and POWER architectures are two WAY different beasts.

Thats like comparing a Pentium 4 EE 3.8 Ghz with a 1 GHz Sparc processor, the Sparc would actually come out faster on many things, because the OS (Solaris), utilizes the processor better then most Linux distro's and Window's can handle x86.

Same thing applies for Apple and their POWER chips. IBM uses them in high-end servers, and Apple in their desktops and servers. Now, take a 2 Ghz G5, and compare it to a 3.4 GHz Pentium 4 w/ HT...chances are, the Mac would outperform the Pentium 4 in tasks that can be done in the SAME WAY on the SAME MACHINE. Gaming stats don't count, because for example, Doom 3 will perform better on x86 then POWER because it was written originally to take advantage of x86...

See what I'm getting at? You're looking at numbers (I know 2 < 3.4, but one again...), so you have to look at statistics also from non-proprietary software (D'uh QuickTime will outperform a Windows box when encoding on a Mac any day). Heck, a good example is FireFox - if you can run like, 25-30 windows at one time, all browsing different content (Some Java, Flash, ASP, PHP, JSP, you get my point) and see which system performs better - chances are the Mac will kill the Pentium 4, as OS X can take MUCH better control of its memory and proccesing abilities to run so much content at one time, where as the Pentium 4 is designed for a "1 app, 1 proccess" mindframe...not good for multitasking like POWER is.

Why do you think these chips aren't 3.8 GHz if they suck so badly, anywho? I'd think these guys would be smarter if it was the case...

Laptop<3,
if u save up some $ u could maybe afford a mac , or a clue. my comment re: your computer was facetious, and given in the hopes of evoking some degree of awareness of your flaming commentary. (i don't really dislike gateways, tho i do think the company's product line has been sagging over the last few years. see their emachines acquirement and subsequent bastardization of what previously was a sweet rig in the way of an AMD64 machine.) sadly, u simply retorted as perhaps a 3rd grader might. u've been warned, and so it seems your last post will get some editing if not a deletion...guess i'll have to mull it over...

UR VERY WORNG LOOK AT BENCHES FROM PC WORLD! MAc lost every single becnhmarks. Mac will never be comprable to pc and yes i do hav mac ad im thinking of purchasing a powermac g5. but i just dont lie about how fast they are. Mac are slow period.

honestly i dont think iys flaming telling the turth. You can dislike gateway all you want i dont lie their support either. But the truth is mac will never have prefromance values as a pc does becnhmarks have been proving it for years. My dothan 2ghz is faster than a Dual 2ghz that is very sad!

and also very false.

bear in mind i am on a 1.7 dothan system now.

ever taken a look at how various tech sites have different results for the same tech? ever noticed how diff tech sites r accused of being biased in their reviews based upon what kinds of "incentives" the hardware providers are giving them? it happens. i'm not saying that numbers don't hold weight. i'm just as keen on a new review of a next-gen laptop or desktop hardware as anyone. as others have said, consider user experience. i've noted before as have others, my iBook handles multitasking more readily than does my windows desktop. i've timed a number of processes between the platforms from boot times to applications startups, to video rendering times. the iBook does not let me down, particularly because when it's doing something intensive like video encoding i can use the rest of the OS. windows machines typically can't do as well w/ an equitable amount of RAM,and often times requires significantly more to accomplish multitasking usability that is still less fluid than what i get on my iBook. notice i'm not slathering on about stats and numbers. i'm talking about my experience between the platforms. honestly, if u haven't had a similar experience w/ your 17" PB, i'm left wondering how u've even used it, and that perhaps u should donate it to assist in my graduate studies. i could use another pathetically slow machine to help me along.

I aggre with everything you say my mac does fell faster than my amd Xp 2500+ but when doing rendering thats a whole differnet story my bros imac g5 1.8ghz is way slower than my moms pentium m 1.6ghz when rendering the same stuff but then her computer fells faster. I must say Osx is a piece of art. And just to let ya know i decided to get the powermac g5 but one question will it be compatible with a dell ultasharp 19inch lcd?

It can use any monitor you hook up to it without a problem.

i can't read these threads... i'm literally getting a headache.

they should call it www.ESLforums.com

it's just that bad.

huh?

not you. =)

Note: [E]nglish as a [s]econd [L]anguage Forums. referring to all the horrible spelling I assume.

I have nothing really to add to this thread, but it doesn't seem as though you can tell laptop<3 anything to change his/her mind, I'd say give up on that.

When i was looking at laptops the only reason I ended up getting a 700m (subsequently returned) was because Dell extended me credit (DAMN MBNA), and after using it, I've decided that once I procure enough money to purchase a laptop, it will most definitely be an I/Pbook, because I've recently upgraded my PC desktop, and I'm ready to test the water for "my switch".