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post #1 of 32
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Well, I got my 9200 Friday. Let me just say that the laptop really is lovely... when it’s not on of course. The screen is not bad contrary to what everybody is saying. It’s HORRENDOUS. Now, anybody who says that its “ok” either has it as their first laptop or has vision problems or self confidence problems, either better be checked by a doctor. I’ve been working with laptops for 20 years, and have never seen a more shockingly bad screen. Yea, those old ones were extremely slow, that is they had slow response time, and of course they had lover resolutions, but 9200 LCD beats them all.
Yea, the Samsung one is a lil better, but not good enough. ANYTHING is better then that LG screen , so yea, if you got the Samsung it surely was better than that LG, but its still BAD BAD BAD. I never expected Dell to screw up like that.
I called them immediately and returning it back for a refund.
The only way anybody could say that the screen is ok is to perform the following experiment – look at 9100 WUXGA and 9200 WUXGA standing next to each other. Sorry, but I won’t take pictures because on pictures you will only see the difference in brightness, which is bad enough. But it goes way beyond bad brightness in 9200.
My point being that I would love to hear I single comment here (I searched and skimmed through the board many times without success) on 9200 screen being “ok”, BUT in comparison to say 9100 WUXGA, or any other WUXGA. I doubt anybody could do that because it really took a genius to create sometime SO bad as 9200 LCD.
post #2 of 32
Was yours a LG or Samsung?
post #3 of 32
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Sorry, I am so pissed at the moment I could not even type properly. Here's the thing. I switched to laptops as soon as they became available, basically since LCD screen became available. Before that I was selling monitors. I remember pushing sony's trinitrons, how amazingly that it seems that they are the best again with their xrite.
Yea, I got LG originally. Mine came with LG that is. And before that I had WXGA LG and then I got WUXGA LG. Yea, as I said - I've seen samsungs, they are way better, but they are still bad. The only reason people are saying that samsungs are good is beause LG's are SO bad that anything will be good next to them.
The experiment is simple - to compare 9200 screen with 9100 WUXGA. Even samsung will be shokingly crappy in that comparison. Guaranteed.
I literally had pains in my eyes after sitting in front of my stand alone LCD (Dell too, mind you), and then walking to my 9200. I had to literally sit for a few minutes trying to adjust to the horrible quality of 9200 to be able to read again.
I really am in shock, so please pardon my SCREAMS.
post #4 of 32
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Xbrite thing

by the way - one more thing about xbrite. yea, its good, but that's not the point.
The point is is that laptop lcd's should not be worse then standalong lcd's. Especially taking into account they crazy resolutions with smaller screen sizes, so you get really tiny pixels. 9200's WUXGA got 0.191 mm pixel size. That is just unknown in stand alone lcd's.
And yea, pixel size is still important for lcd's.
By comparison - stand alone lcd's have some 2.4 to 2.8 pixel size.
Feel the difference.
As for brightness, reducing briteness to save battery power in laptops - there is just no such thing, because they can take an acceptable brightness level and then derive the battery life data from that. And then allow users to increase brighness .
I read text from my screen, so yea, quality if very important to me.
post #5 of 32
So, all you've said is that they screen sucks, kind of vague. Why does it suck?
post #6 of 32
Read Cnet and hear from other posters why the I-9200 Sucks, a lot believe Dell rushed it thru, I know why but with all the nasty remarks on my post I will delete any nasty posts and I did. I said I now I know more than you think I do, at least now I know what to buy without any of your puny obnoxius posts to me or my thread TTFN

If you only knew but that would spoil things wouldn't it, I'm going to let you do find it all by yourself 'able' members. TTFN

P.S. Got to save and add to those franklins for something much better than red analog.
post #7 of 32
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Originally Posted by liquefied
So, all you've said is that they screen sucks, kind of vague. Why does it suck?
Well, see, its hard enough to explain what that sparkling effect is. I actually think the sparkling is not the main problem, the problem is that the scren is also a greasy looking and simply not bright enough.
As I said - the only way to see how bad the screen is - you have to see it next to a good screen. And again - I'm not talking "the best" screen or something, just next to a decent screen, say 9100's wuxga one. Especially check out the text. You will be shocked by the difference.
If 9200 is the only computer you have, and you're fine with it - ok, but that's "ignorance is bliss" kind of satisfaction. (take no offense please).
post #8 of 32
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Originally Posted by chazzy
Read Cnet and hear from other posters why the I-9200 Sucks, a lot believe Dell rushed it thru, I know why but with all the nasty remarks on my post I will delete any nasty posts and I did. I said I now I know more than you think I do, at least now I know what to buy without any of your puny obnoxius posts to me or my thread TTFN

If you only knew but that would spoil things wouldn't it, I'm going to let you do find it all by yourself 'able' members. TTFN

P.S. Got to save and add to those franklins for something much better than red analog.
I did not understand a word from this post.
As for cnet - yea I also read all mainstream reviews on 9200, and they simply never mention the screen. As for "rushing 9200 in", I dunno really, because the screen (LG one) is NOT bad, its just dreadful. The samsung one would go for "rushing the product with a crappy screen in too early".
post #9 of 32
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9200's WUXGA got 0.191 mm pixel size. That is just unknown in stand alone lcd's.
The Viewsonic 2290b has a pixel pitch of .124
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reducing briteness to save battery power in laptops - there is just no such thing,
I've yet to see any lappie LCD that has the same viewing angle as a good desktop LCD. Even the 17" Sony X-Brites (that I've seen) have noticable left/right color temperature variations and vertical viewing angle limitations. My understanding is that as desktops have the luxury of using more power for brighter lamps, they can afford to lose some light transmission efficiency in order to improve viewing angle.

There's been some indication that Dell will use a glossy screen for the WXGA+ option on the i9300, but take that with a grain of salt.
post #10 of 32
I feel sorry for you. I had the same experience with my first 9200, got the LG WUXGA. Thank god for this forum, which I discovered after placing the order and the thing was on its way to my door. I couldn't look at the screen for more than 15 minutes without getting a headache. Thank god for this forum again for all the tips and tricks on how to save on orders. I saved over 300, got an additional printer and 3 years warrenty (intead of one) and a better screen on my replacement order !

I am quite happy with my wxga+ screen. I guess it an LG (despite the package slip saying W5411) It's a matter of taste really. Lots of people here still don't like it but I do and that's what really matters.

So, Mr. bbstls, I am quite curious, what are you going to buy instead ? Oh, btw, since you know how good the Sony's screens are, why did you consider a Dell in the first place ?

KeNg
post #11 of 32
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Originally Posted by Each Hit
The Viewsonic 2290b has a pixel pitch of .124
I've yet to see any lappie LCD that has the same viewing angle as a good desktop LCD. Even the 17" Sony X-Brites (that I've seen) have noticable left/right color temperature variations and vertical viewing angle limitations. My understanding is that as desktops have the luxury of using more power for brighter lamps, they can afford to lose some light transmission efficiency in order to improve viewing angle.

There's been some indication that Dell will use a glossy screen for the WXGA+ option on the i9300, but take that with a grain of salt.
As for ViewSonic monitor, or c'mon! I was talking Earth monitor with Earth prices. Duh, for $6500 or so or whatever that viewsonic sells for you better get a non-human pixel pitch.
As for viewing angle - Yes, I totally agree, standalone laptops are way better on this, but I don't think viewing angle is such a big issue for laptop with their small sizes and the point of using them as a really personal computer, so you can be up close!
As for brightness, well, check sony's battery life specs - they are good. And with their xbrite brightness I guess they figured out the way, and I doubt that it was done by a miracle, so dell should find some people in China to make them some bright screens.
post #12 of 32
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Originally Posted by kittiyut

So, Mr. bbstls, I am quite curious, what are you going to buy instead ? Oh, btw, since you know how good the Sony's screens are, why did you consider a Dell in the first place ?

KeNg
Yea, as for Dell and Sony, that's good point. Look, I never said that Sony is the panacea of any kind, nor did I say that I'm bying something else. Actually I would say that their xbrite screns are a bit overrated afterall, yea they are good for graphics and moving images, but I'm interested in text, so for me my 9100 LCD was pretty much perfect (WUXGA).

Yea, I will probably buy Dell again, and probably soon.
post #13 of 32
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Originally Posted by bbstls
Yea, as for Dell and Sony, that's good point. Look, I never said that Sony is the panacea of any kind, nor did I say that I'm bying something else. Actually I would say that their xbrite screns are a bit overrated afterall, yea they are good for graphics and moving images, but I'm interested in text, so for me my 9100 LCD was pretty much perfect (WUXGA).

Yea, I will probably buy Dell again, and probably soon.
Thanks for your interesting response. I didn't know that the xbrite screens aren't that good for texts....

Didn't you find texts on WUXGA too small (or everything for that matter) ? Especially on a 15.4" screen !

KeNg
post #14 of 32
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Originally Posted by kittiyut
Thanks for your interesting response. I didn't know that the xbrite screens aren't that good for texts....

Didn't you find texts on WUXGA too small (or everything for that matter) ? Especially on a 15.4" screen !

KeNg
No no, I did not say that xbrites are not good for text, they are. I am just saying that the main advantage of them is video and graphics, as for text clarity when I compared my WUXGA on 9100 to sony's xbrite of comparable size - the text was pretty much the same, a little different though.
As for crazy resolution and everything being crazy under it, well, you get small size when you get a lot of pixels, but that's all adjustable through software, so should not be a problem.
I personally never change the dpi setting on WUXGAs, basically is your screen is of good quality - rhigh resolutions won't be a problem. (Of course you should wear glasses if you do wear them when you read a book).
post #15 of 32
I got the wxga and my laptop is absolutely beautiful, everyone that sees it comments on the screen and how bright and clear it is, I was really worried about it before it arrived after reading some posts but it is great.
post #16 of 32
Well I have heard more negative about the 9200 in this thread, then all others put together. I dont know whether I am lucky to have a 9200 with the WXGA+, or whether I am ignorant and do not know any better. I like mine just fine. No complaints what so ever. Screen is bright enough and can look at it all day. Could not tell if you were complaining about all 9200 screens or just the WUXGA screens.

As for chazzy, I was unable to determine what his post was about. It did not make too much sense. However, it DID have flames shooting from it. I thought I was going to get burned!!!
post #17 of 32
yeah the pixel size is pretty good.. although regular LD is about .26 right? the 8600 wuxga i have is .17 i think.. tiny as all hell.. yet i still found a dead pixel and its grainy(sparkle) (just like this LCD i have at work).

i blame the people at dell that approved this LCD from LG. those folks should be sent to an eye doctor or fired. only reason they would not fire them is if the screens were so cheap (crappy?) they couldnt pass it up.
post #18 of 32
The 9200 WXGA+ is as good looking as any LCD I've seen. Really very nice.

The 9200 Samsung WUXGA is tolerable, especially if you dick around with gamma correction.

The 9200 LG WUXGA is pretty bad in terms of brightness and the sparkle from the anti-glare coating, but the coloration is nice, and the blacks are very black.

I got a good deal on my 9200. About half the price of a comparable Sony. So, I have to cut Dell a lot of slack. But they shouldn't have even bothered introducing a 17-inch WUXGA if the LCD couldn't pass such a basic smell test. A lot of people feel burned. And a lot more of us are burned out trying to get things fixed via Dell support. I'd rather have a tooth pulled than to go through that nightmare again.
post #19 of 32
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Originally Posted by shiftaltnumlock
Well I have heard more negative about the 9200 in this thread, then all others put together. I dont know whether I am lucky to have a 9200 with the WXGA+, or whether I am ignorant and do not know any better. I like mine just fine. No complaints what so ever. Screen is bright enough and can look at it all day. Could not tell if you were complaining about all 9200 screens or just the WUXGA screens.

As for chazzy, I was unable to determine what his post was about. It did not make too much sense. However, it DID have flames shooting from it. I thought I was going to get burned!!!
Well, as for flames - yea, I was quite angry, so I apologize for that.
No, nobody accuses nobody of ignorance. If you like your screen - great.
My point was exactly that from the beginning - if you have nothing to compare that screen to - yea, its great, let it be - be happy.
However, if you compare this to some decent screen (and I specificaly mention 9100 WUXGA screen, because its well, WUXGA), and yea, next to 9100 screen you won't believe how bad 9200 LG screen is, and 9200 samsung will be just a bad mistake.
THe reason I was so emotional is because I really like dell, and I have to admit that most of the compaints I read on this forum are not exactly well grounded., or so I thought, untill I got my 9200 WUXGA and 9200 WXGA before that......
post #20 of 32
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As for ViewSonic monitor, or c'mon! I was talking Earth monitor with Earth prices.
I only pointed out that such pixel pitches are known on desktops, not that they were economical. Moving 4K images I've seen on a QUXGA LCD (from a Spirit 4K) are stunning.

The Sony X-Brites have 2 fluorescents, which is why they are so bright. I've wondered if it's possible to change the panel in a i9200 to one not supplied by Dell. In the case of the X-Brite, I think these screens require two inverters.

I asked Dell for a return authorization on a second i9200. They said to please try a third one, and if it's still not ok then return it. I guess they must be getting alot of these back.
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