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Trying to install 100GB Hard Drive

post #1 of 22
2/2/05 at 3:26am
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I have been trying to install my 100GB Seagate hard drive I bought for 2 going on 3 days now, I used Norton Ghost and when I hook it up the laptop will get to the BLUE windows loading screen, but will halt there.

Is there something I MUST change before I try to install this?
I'm getting quite aggrivated with it.
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post #2 of 22
2/2/05 at 3:38am
are you just replacing your current 40 gig ? and do you have the 100gig IN the laptop? or doing it with a enclosure?
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post #3 of 22
2/2/05 at 4:51am
hmm and on a side note is this a momentus drive? i am sure if it is then it is the 5400 rpm version then? damnit release the 7200 already!! what price did u buy this one for?
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post #4 of 22
2/2/05 at 12:36pm
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Originally Posted by suryad
damnit release the 7200 already!!
No kidding. Seagate is in danger of this thing becoming Vaporware. I've also been waiting for this drive, but I'm just worried about how hot it's going to be...
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post #5 of 22
2/2/05 at 3:17pm
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This is the 5400rpm drive, and when I do the copy drive using Norton Ghost the 100GB is in an external enclosure, but after the copy is done, I turn off the laptop and put the 100GB into the laptop.

It then boots, gets to the blue windows screen and just hangs.
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post #6 of 22
2/2/05 at 3:26pm
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Right now, I'm seriously thinking about forgetting the Ghost and doing a fresh install of Windows on the 100GB.
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post #7 of 22
2/2/05 at 4:27pm
I would do a fresh install anytime Seagate decides to launch the 7200 rpm hdd. I am not worrried about heat because I read a review I think at tomshardware where they were comparing higher capacity 5400 rpm drives that actually required less juice to operate!! so anyway i would do a fresh install. i would probably download all the required setup files of all the software i use and store them in a flash drive and then once the hdd is set up and xp updated i would then proceed with installing all the software. that way you have a fresh setup. then i would ghost that image and store it.
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post #8 of 22
2/2/05 at 4:42pm
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Originally Posted by suryad
I would do a fresh install anytime Seagate decides to launch the 7200 rpm hdd. I am not worrried about heat because I read a review I think at tomshardware where they were comparing higher capacity 5400 rpm drives that actually required less juice to operate!! so anyway i would do a fresh install. i would probably download all the required setup files of all the software i use and store them in a flash drive and then once the hdd is set up and xp updated i would then proceed with installing all the software. that way you have a fresh setup. then i would ghost that image and store it.
It's not the extra juice, it's the spindle speed. 7200rpm=more heat.
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post #9 of 22
2/2/05 at 4:59pm
ohhh i c. but we already have 7200 rpm speed spindles right now. and its not as if the physical size of the platter is higher or anything...so then how is it possible for spindle speed to be contributing to the overall heat?
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post #10 of 22
2/2/05 at 5:04pm
As quoted from hardwareanalysis.com:

"Especially 7200-rpm harddisks are suspect as they are known to get substantially hotter than their 5400-rpm counterparts. Naturally 7200-rpm and multiple platters all contribute to more heat being produced, as the spinning platters get hot due to the friction with the surrounding air and the heat dissipated by the spindle motor, the more platters and the higher the rpm, the more heat."

In this case it would be mostly friction.
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post #11 of 22
2/2/05 at 10:23pm
wow good stuff. thanks for the info Corvus!!
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post #12 of 22
2/3/05 at 1:36am
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Originally Posted by suryad
wow good stuff. thanks for the info Corvus!!
My pleasure. :0)
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post #13 of 22
2/3/05 at 2:10am
but then i have another question, corvus, how is the newer 7200 rpm hdd going to be hotter than the current 7200 rpm hdd @ 60 gigs becuz the dimensions are the same and so are the rotational speeds? only the densities of the 2 hdds are different...confused kinda
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post #14 of 22
2/3/05 at 2:20am
if same number of platters, should be same...true....right?
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post #15 of 22
2/3/05 at 2:59am
For goodness sakes, have you guys ever heard of Google?
A quick check there for the data sheets for the Hitachi 7K60 7200RPM 60GB and the Seagate Momentus 7200.1 7200RPM 100GB shows the following power consumption figures:

Hitachi (read/write/seek): 2.5/2.5/2.6W
Seagate (read/write/seek): 2.2/2.4/1.3W*

*Seagate quote an "active idle" rather than seek power, so it may not be the same as what Hitachi is measuring.

Now as to efficiency (ie. how much power is turned into heat), both are 7200 RPM disks. Most heat is generated by the spindle motors. Power is a function of the cube root of spindle speed. Basically the difference in spindle motors will be negligable as long as Seagate has not totally stuffed its motor design up. Since the overall power requirements are slightly lower in the Seagate I would assume that their motors are slightly more efficient (newer design etc etc).

Of course I too wish Seagate would release these little buggers - I want six of them...
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post #16 of 22
2/3/05 at 3:15am
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Originally Posted by aussie
For goodness sakes, have you guys ever heard of Google?
A quick check there for the data sheets for the Hitachi 7K60 7200RPM 60GB and the Seagate Momentus 7200.1 7200RPM 100GB shows the following power consumption figures:

Hitachi (read/write/seek): 2.5/2.5/2.6W
Seagate (read/write/seek): 2.2/2.4/1.3W*

*Seagate quote an "active idle" rather than seek power, so it may not be the same as what Hitachi is measuring.

Now as to efficiency (ie. how much power is turned into heat), both are 7200 RPM disks. Most heat is generated by the spindle motors. Power is a function of the cube root of spindle speed. Basically the difference in spindle motors will be negligable as long as Seagate has not totally stuffed its motor design up. Since the overall power requirements are slightly lower in the Seagate I would assume that their motors are slightly more efficient (newer design etc etc).

Of course I too wish Seagate would release these little buggers - I want six of them...

Also, the earlier post talked about a 5400 RPM drive, which is what I was comparing the 7200 RPM to.
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post #17 of 22
2/5/05 at 12:48am
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Originally Posted by Sorcier
I have been trying to install my 100GB Seagate hard drive I bought for 2 going on 3 days now, I used Norton Ghost and when I hook it up the laptop will get to the BLUE windows loading screen, but will halt there.

Is there something I MUST change before I try to install this?
I'm getting quite aggrivated with it.
Sorcier,

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I received an e-mail, today, from Seagates' Disc Presales. They told me that the Momentus 100 Gb 7200 Rpm Hd will be out in the next 4 months. Being waiting for this for awhile.
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post #18 of 22
2/5/05 at 2:20am
Thanks for that info on the Seagate drives andy.
If they don't release them soon Hitachi will beat them to it.
My money is on Hitachi
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post #19 of 22
2/5/05 at 2:35am
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Originally Posted by aussie
Thanks for that info on the Seagate drives andy.
If they don't release them soon Hitachi will beat them to it.
My money is on Hitachi
I agree. Seagate hasn't been very impressive lately.... Starting to sound like Blizzard. "Oh, just another 3 months! Just another month! Just another 4 months! Please bear with us!" *gag* Just tell us the truth! :0)
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post #20 of 22
2/16/05 at 11:54pm
Well, I went ahead and purchased the Seagate 100 gb 5400 rpm hd. Didn't want to wait any longer for the 7200rpm. Actually, I figured since I have the mobile need, I'll use the 5400 rpm as another external when the 7200 rpm comes out.

Everything loaded and installed without any issues. Hmm . . . Can't really tell, just yet, the difference between the old 60gb 7200 rpm and the new 100 gb 5400 rpm.

Come on 7200!
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