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post #121 of 293
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Originally Posted by bladerunner168
I have just ordered my 8103 from Digi-UK (www.digi-uk.com)

Thank you Digi-UK for your professional and courteous service, well done!!!

Will post a review as soon as I have got to know it better.

Spot on

Not a problem, we have always had trouble shipping laptops to addresses that aren't on your credit card statement, simply as our insurers will not cough up if a laptop is sold without proof (i.e. fax of credit card details) etc.

ITs out for delivery tomorrow and if you want to drop me an e-mail
scott.morris@digiuk.com i will try and get you a tracking number in the morning!
post #122 of 293
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Originally Posted by olli3
I have seen on one of the sites that the 8103 has 80gb 4200rpm disk.
I'm sure that I saw that too, but can't find any reference to spindle speed of UK-spec 8103 anymore. Maybe it was a mistake (like the first photos, which were of a diferent machine) that's since been corrected?
post #123 of 293
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Originally Posted by reg.t
I'm sure that I saw that too, but can't find any reference to spindle speed of UK-spec 8103 anymore. Maybe it was a mistake (like the first photos, which were of a diferent machine) that's since been corrected?
4200 t'would be a bummer. I've read there's a noticeable perf. difference between 4200 and 5400, very less noticeable between 5400 and 7200.
post #124 of 293
Ok, spent as much time reading this review as I can... AWESOME job. I am looking to order today or tomorrow and I have a couple questions...

No sytem restore disks? I am assuming you have to make your own from the comment about the backup reminder every time you start the system, is that correct?

That minor little fact really irritates me. I hate to see manufacturers cheap out on $.02 CDs for installing the OS and apps.
post #125 of 293
If the disk speed is 4200rpm on the 03, then it shows that you are getting a better overall machine with the 04 other than just a faster cpu and more ram.
post #126 of 293
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Originally Posted by GalaxiePete
No sytem restore disks? I am assuming you have to make your own from the comment about the backup reminder every time you start the system, is that correct?
Don't have them in front of me but there's a System Disk, with Drivers, etc, with which you can start a Recovery, and 2 other CDs with a Ghost Image spread across them. The big drawback is that there is no actual OEM copy of WinXP. You can restore the original image (I presume) with the CDs and the Acer "eRecovery" software, but you can't actually format and install XP from scratch. Why it asks you to "backup now" on a new system is beyond me, since you already have the stock image on CD.

The eRecovery software is a fairly extensive effort by Acer, but it has other drawbacks too. You have Monitor.exe always running to see if you have hit the "hidden" Alt-10 keys to take you to recovery. You can do that or select eRecovery from the eManagement software (another running Acer thread). As noted in the Start\Programs|Acer Manual, your C: partition may be converted to NTFS if you want, but the D: must remain FAT32 in order for the eRecovery to function. (???) I used eRecovery to make a backup and it kicks off Ghost 8.0 and the familiar Ghost Image software if you've used that before. My options were to create an image on D: or on CD\DVD. I chose D: and it created 6-8 650MB .GHS files with others on the D: drive. It took up about 5-6GB and I wanted to move them to my external HDD but it kept telling me "files in use". I finally found that when I stopped Monitor.exe, and turned off the file attributes (RSHA) (don't know if that mattered) then I could copy them off the D: drive.

I like that Acer went to all the trouble for the eRecovery, I just wish they'd fine tune and upgrade it. The FAT32 has 32K clusters. I converted my C: drive to NTFS and it now has 4K clusters.

As discussed mainly in the big 8100 thread, you can create a bootable XP CD with SP2 slipstreamed and use your own license # from the bottom of your laptop, BUTTTT you must have a hard copy XP CD to start with. It's legal to do, but not everyone will have access to another XP CD. I'm still finishing my CD (can't get the bootimage.img to work, reboot gets "Cannot boot from this CD - Code 4) but I'm sure I'll get around that. I've created one that boots to PCDOS and from which I can run E:\I386\winnt.exe, which I think will get the same result, but I'd like to have the whole enchilada.

Here is the most detailed writeup on a CD. It has a link to those problematic boot images too. I'm going to try to complete with this when I get home.

PC Mag has a recent article on the same think (January I think) and I was using that but couldn't get the boot image right.

Surf on Eldergeek or Bart PE for further info.

Lemme know if you have more questions.
post #127 of 293
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Originally Posted by satanspawn71
Spot on

Not a problem, we have always had trouble shipping laptops to addresses that aren't on your credit card statement, simply as our insurers will not cough up if a laptop is sold without proof (i.e. fax of credit card details) etc.

ITs out for delivery tomorrow and if you want to drop me an e-mail
scott.morris@digiuk.com i will try and get you a tracking number in the morning!
YO, SATAN! You out there?! Are your 8103s with 80GB 4200RPM or 100GB 5400RPM?

Most of the Froogles in the states list the 8103 with 100GB (presumably 5400RPM) drives. Most of us have thought all along the only differences between 8104 and 8103 was slightly less cpu (1.8-2.0) and RAM (512-1024) which made the 8103s very appealing.

Thanks.
post #128 of 293
Wow, thanks for the extensive reply. I'm familiar with BartPE and have an XP Pro CD - quite a few actually. I was looking into how to do the install fully patched as you have mentioned (at least with SP2) just yesterday. I haven't had time to tackle the project yet and it may be a while. But you are right - I do crave a clean install despite all the Acer bells and whistles in SW. Much easier to do then cleaning up everything you don't want. I was figuring I would probably use one of my unallocated licenses, since I haven't had time to delve into Bart.

Very familiar with Ghost...

As for the backup, as long as you have restore CDs, I guess I don't see the value - unless it is for the purpose of on the road restores where you may not have your CDs with you.

IF I don't do a clean install immediately, my intention is to divide the main partition in half and install server 2003 on the second partition for the moment. I am working on my MSCE certification and I need a laptop that will run it and my day to day work requirements as well (not to mention my evening entertainment). I am sure with 1GB of ram and the 2ghz processor it will be sufficient power wise. Although, I have never thought about possible complications due to the mobile chipset until just now... Well regardless something like the Sager 9860 is out of the question - it is just too hot and has no battery life. I can deal with the size though...
post #129 of 293
Agreed, we need to know Satan!! 8103 have 4200rpm or 5400rpm drive?

post #130 of 293
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Originally Posted by GalaxiePete
Wow, thanks for the extensive reply.
Here's a link to the PCMag article. Somewhere in there it tells where to download the Networking version of SP2. You just run it and it integrates itself with the XP copy you have copied to HDD.

The main thing I miss is HyperThreading. The 8104 "thinks" a little longer than I'm used to, but that's probably also because stock it has 30-40+ threads running. Lotta nice bells and whistles for consumers. A reformat will clean that up.
post #131 of 293
The HDD speed of the 8103 is 4200, any one have definitive view on whether this is neglible or big time no no???
post #132 of 293
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Originally Posted by reg.t
I'm sure that I saw that too, but can't find any reference to spindle speed of UK-spec 8103 anymore. Maybe it was a mistake (like the first photos, which were of a diferent machine) that's since been corrected?
In this post is a reference to Acer UK's Feb retail price list, that also contains specs for UK machines. UK edition 8103WLMi (part number LX.T7206.029) has 80GB 4200RPM

Of course, it'd be better if an owner or retailer could check a real, live UK-spec machine, rather than a document...
post #133 of 293
If its true that its 4200rpm I would be more eager to get an 8104
post #134 of 293
does anyone know where to downlaod benchmark programs? I want to do a review.

Thanks
post #135 of 293
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Originally Posted by bladerunner168
does anyone know where to downlaod benchmark programs? I want to do a review.

Thanks
Here is a start. The freebies of 05, 03, and 2001 are popular.
post #136 of 293
Um full directions on Slipstreaming XP and saving the bootable part of the CD available at http://www.theeldergeek.com/slipstreamed_xpsp2_cd.htm - works great. ISO Buster wonderful app.

-max
post #137 of 293
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UNDER THE 8104 KEYBOARD:


Upper left: Fan. (Doh!) Right: DVD-CD player.

Lower left of center: Copper plate with ... heat pipe (?) going toward touchpad area.


Lower center: Flexible keyboard cable-strip.


I still suspect either the cpu or the X700 graphics is under the touchpad. Although the Wi-Fi on the bottom may generate some heat, I have it off a lot and there is still touchpad heat. When I'm gaming Wi-Fi is off, my laptop cooler is running, the bottom of the laptop is COLD, and the touchpad is still hot. When I'm done gaming the cpu temp is often up to 61-63C but drops quickly to the mid and low 50s.

Note the fan is in the upper left and the intake vents are scattered around the bottom of the laptop. Presumably the design is to pull air into the various areas and expel it by the fan (topside left).

No, I won't be disassembling my laptop any further. I'm not THAT curious.
post #138 of 293
Wow, interesting pics! Hey, could you make some more pics of screen in action, like with Excel open, or with a greyscale gradient, front and angled? It'll be very important for many people, as we have to buy the laptop w/o seeing it "in person" first.
post #139 of 293
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Originally Posted by Alexey
Wow, interesting pics! Hey, could you make some more pics of screen in action, like with Excel open, or with a greyscale gradient, front and angled? It'll be very important for many people, as we have to buy the laptop w/o seeing it "in person" first.
Mebbe some screen pics tomorrow. I'm crashin'. (Know what you mean about buying sight unseen.)
post #140 of 293
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SCREENSHOTS

Oops, forgot the Excel and greyscale. Sorry.







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