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post #21 of 73
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Originally Posted by phoenix78
Hi all,

can someone please explain why in heck anyone would want to buy a laptop for 'games' ??
Um, we're tryin'

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I am reading post after post that ALWAYS sidetracks to something to do with games. If a person wants a gaming machine then why not use the high cost of a laptop to buy the latest high end desktop instead??
What do those two sentences have to do with each other? We sidetrack 'cuz it's the benchmark that most people can understand. It's a visual example of processing power. How do you measure the success of your desktop? With Microsoft Calculator? Besides, Mid towers are really uncomfortable on my lap.

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That way nobody will have to cry about slow HDD or fans or hot palm rests or crap batterylife.
I haven't seen a single post crying about slow HDDs. Most everyone seems to hail 7200rpms. There are certainly posts asking about faster HDDs. But there are forums that discuss the mouth-watering prospect of faster motor vehicle engines! You tellin' those guys they're crazy for wanting more power?

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I just think it is madness.
Got that right, bub. Mad as a loon.

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super graphics are only useful in a laptop for those who 'need' mobility and graphics rendering for certain projects.
And gaming. Don't forget gaming.

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lol. now dont get on my back and start slamming me...
lol. Too late.

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i am intending this to be about good 'reasoning' with 'intelligence'. I guess in a way i hope this kind of topic will stop others from spending lots of money for a machine they dont need and if they want one for gams then they can get a desktop machine that will serve them.
You're a real humanitarian. Then I'll see you at the next "habitat for humanity" project here in the states, will I?

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cheers.
Cheerio.

I like Cheerios. They're even better with sugar and 3.4 Ghz Prescott CPUs.
post #22 of 73
No doubt Guspaz, have you see a maxed out CL-56 lately??!???!!

Check it out the speced out 56 I listed Here in this thread.
I am seriously considering not waiting on a PCI-E LT in favor of getting one of these babies.
post #23 of 73
Even better for this price @ Mwave with these specs:

MWAVE CL56 Intel Centrino Mobile//
15" SXGA/ATI M11-P 128MB/
MODEM/LAN/3xUSB 2.0/1xIEEE 1394 Details
PENTIUM M 755-2.0GHz
INTEL 802.11B/G;
1GB DDR (512MBX2)
80GB (5400RPM) HDD
DVD/CDRW COMBO
MS XP HOME

$1,568.00

You can take it down under 1500 by ditching the OS.
post #24 of 73
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i am intending this to be about good 'reasoning' with 'intelligence'. I guess in a way i hope this kind of topic will stop others from spending lots of money for a machine they dont need and if they want one for gams then they can get a desktop machine that will serve them.
First of all, if I want a notebook for gaming, it's my choice. It's neither your place nor your responsibility to try to convince me otherwise. Second, you don't determine what users need - that's their decision and theirs alone. You are entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't grant you the right to apply it to everyone else as if it's some sort of universal truth. Just because you've "outgrown" gaming, that doesn't make you some expert on the topic. In fact, one could just as easily argue that your move away from gaming means you're less qualified to tell us what to purchase, as you have been out of the loop.

It wasn't that long ago that you could easily argue that a notebook was inferior to desktops for gaming, and those that could compete were too expensive. However, with the advent of newer processors such as the Athlon64 and mobile GPU's such as the MR9600/9700, gaming has not only become a reality in the notebook sector, but an affordable one at that - in many cases at the same price point as a desktop machine.
post #25 of 73
Thread Starter 
firstly,

i am not a humanitarian. This is supposed to be a forum about info that enables others to make good choices regarding buying machines. that is why i have come here. i have been dissatisfied regarding laptops i have had in the past and want to make an informed decision about what i want to purchase next. i have done that and made a purchase. Also if i see i can contribute then i will.

I know so many people, many of them friends who get carried away by spending so much money into gaming machines. not only do they waste their money but they waste their time with it too in playing so much. and a common trait among them is that they only like the thrill of seeing their machine run at large frames per second just so they can see a demon splatter across the screen smoother than on a lesser machine and then having others 'approve' of them for being so 'cool'. that is really shallow.

The problem i have is that talking about 'how cool' a souped up LT is for gaming simply fuels peoples imagination and gets them all excited about the prospect and they will actually go out and spend a whole heap of money on something they dont need. they could have done it cheaper a different way if they truely want to game.

Why shouldnt i make a post like this? every post goes into gaming at some stage regardless of the topic. making others aware that a gaming LT is not that great will give others something different to consider.. to perhaps make a better choice.
post #26 of 73
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Originally Posted by Coldbourne
If such is the case, then why bother to post your blathering in a Thread? Wouldn't such critical comments be best kept to yourself, seeing as how you have "matured" beyond gaming? As far as I am concerned, you are liken to a cat owner who continually wants to know why people actually have dogs. How can a comment like "i am intending this to be about good 'reasoning' with 'intelligence' " be followed up by
So basically you are stating that people are to stupid to know what they need, so you need to set them straight?

I am saying that others who come here want to consider someone elses opinion and use it in deciding what they want to buy. I am not saying anyone is stupid. Many are biased and would so readily support a gaming LT and that can sway someones opinion. there are better alternatives to playing games than a laptop. If you want to playgames then play them. i wont stop you. buit if there is someone who would actually change their mind and not purchase a gaming laptop after reading this thread then good. they have been informed and the purpose of this forum hase been acheived.

lol... do you know how much game making companies and computer hardware companies love you right now? you are helping them pay off their house and their car or maybe even their next holiday.

I asked it to be intelligent with reason because it is common in forums for members to slam and make heated comments about others who dont share their views. it is a trait pervasive around all forums on the web. disecting and trying to analyse my words and comparing to cat lovers and dog lovers really shows no intelligence or reason about the topic. Do you always get angry when someone presents a different view to yours on an issue?

Those comments i made are not critical moments in my life and i dont consider then personal moments lol. Yes i have matured beyond games. I used to hang around those who were into games and ... you are the company you keep.
post #27 of 73
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Originally Posted by phoenix78
firstly,

i am not a humanitarian. This is supposed to be a forum about info that enables others to make good choices regarding buying machines. that is why i have come here. i have been dissatisfied regarding laptops i have had in the past and want to make an informed decision about what i want to purchase next. i have done that and made a purchase. Also if i see i can contribute then i will.
I'm still waiting for you to inform us of your conclusions. This thead is little more than opinion with what I can only acertain as a flame question tagged right in the first sentence of your paragraph. If you wanna have a discussion about desktops, theres a whole forum dedicated to it near the Off Topic forums.

Otherwise, I just think you're peeing into the wind here. Did you see the little animation up top? It says NOTEBOOK FORUMS. You've offered no facts of interest to back up your disinterest, and you sound like your trying to convert us.

Good luck.
post #28 of 73
Thread starter: I think it's fine you have other things to do, but you have no right to say your choices are *better*. I find gaming more fun than most other past times, apart from reading a book perhaps, and that's a choice made out of free will. Very few people spend as much time gaming as you describe - for most it's just something to do for a couple of hours here and there. Laptop fps is important because, you guessed it, it has traditionally been low to begin with so every bit of extra helps. This is evolving in leaps and bounds as we speak.

I've seen many with an "I started going to the gym, I finally found out what life is all about!" -attitude (ex-gamers and others), and frankly, I'm glad for you, but I tried the gym too and it was quite boring. I find it a hypocritical, holier-than-thou attitude when presented in this manner, and in no way an improvement. Glad you regained your life, but personally, I never lost it to begin with.

Perhaps the day you stop comparing the two extremes, and genuinely seem to want to understand, instead of being set in your ways *before* asking, you'll get something out of the answers (people will likely have stopped being defensive by that time, too).
post #29 of 73
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Originally Posted by phoenix78
Hi all,

can someone please explain why in heck anyone would want to buy a laptop for 'games' ??

I am reading post after post that ALWAYS sidetracks to something to do with games. If a person wants a gaming machine then why not use the high cost of a laptop to buy the latest high end desktop instead??

That way nobody will have to cry about slow HDD or fans or hot palm rests or crap batterylife.

I just think it is madness.

super graphics are only useful in a laptop for those who 'need' mobility and graphics rendering for certain projects.

lol. now dont get on my back and start slamming me... i am intending this to be about good 'reasoning' with 'intelligence'. I guess in a way i hope this kind of topic will stop others from spending lots of money for a machine they dont need and if they want one for gams then they can get a desktop machine that will serve them.
Maybe because it's i'm a genius that i'm able to figure this out, but maybe because some people want portability? You know, like some of us have jobs, and need to travel? Or some might be in school, and want to be able to take their computer with them on the bus home.
post #30 of 73
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Originally Posted by phoenix78
I asked it to be intelligent with reason because it is common in forums for members to slam and make heated comments about others who dont share their views. it is a trait pervasive around all forums on the web. disecting and trying to analyse my words and comparing to cat lovers and dog lovers really shows no intelligence or reason about the topic. Do you always get angry when someone presents a different view to yours on an issue?
Except this thread and your posts are anything but intelligent and 'reasoning'. So, people shouldn't get a laptop because YOU think gaming is no good (and you think this why? Because gaming companies make money?). Ooook. People who are looking for a gaming laptop obviously enjoy gaming.

And you're flaming too, just passive aggressively. "Yes i have matured beyond games. I used to hang around those who were into games and ... you are the company you keep." So you're saying people who play games are immature? How about people who feel so threatened for whatever odd reason, that they feel the need to go on a forum and go on a crusade freeing people from the evils of gaming. Or more than likely, you're just too poor to afford a gaming machine, and you're here to convince others as well as justify to yourself, why you don't have a gaming machine.

Classic cognitive dissonance. Your behavior (not having a gaming laptop) is incongruent with your beliefs (that you want a gaming laptop).... this causes anxiety/sadness in you. Since you can't change your behavior to be in line with your beliefs, you change your beliefs then. But you can't come to terms with it yourself just yet, because in your mind you still want a gaming laptop... so you need to find support out there, and you're not finding any, so you're trying to convince others... because if others follow the same belief as you, then it must be ok to believe that. Kind of sad actually when you think about it.
post #31 of 73
Alot of peeps Have a pretty decent Desktop, and as mentioned Lans, Are a great feature, Students.

My own reasoning, I live and take care of my Grandfather, One night he was in the hospital, I drove him to it and then Had to wait. 5 hours. I thought then you know it would have been really cool to play HL or UT2003 while waiting. last Year I got stuck in Canada for an extra 2 weeks, I really didn't want to be there, I was pretty miserable, So Every night I'd plop myself down in front of this laptop and play Unreal 2, and forget for a few hours where and WHY I was stuck.
post #32 of 73
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Do you always get angry when someone presents a different view to yours on an issue?
When someone misrepresents their opinions as fact, there is a problem there. Furthermore, you continued reference to making a "better choice" proves one thing - that you have already rejected opinions that do not conform to your own. Why should we accept your opinion as fact when you've already discarded ours? The moment you referred to the decision to buy a laptop for gaming as "madness" in your first post, you flamed every member of this forum who owns a laptop with gaming in mind.

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Many are biased and would so readily support a gaming LT and that can sway someones opinion. there are better alternatives to playing games than a laptop.
Since someone already brought up cognitive dissonance, let's apply another logical principle to that sentence: the substitution rule.

Many are biased and would readily object to a gaming LT and that can sway someone's opinion. There are better alternatives to playing LAN games than a desktop.

Two key points that can be made from that:

1. Every criticism you offer of the opinion that laptops can be good gaming machines can also be applied to your own opinion. Therefore, your opinion isn't more or less valid that ours.

2. The worth of a laptop for gaming purposes is directly related to the type of games played, as well as the setting in which said games will be played. Therefore, there is not a blanket answer that can apply to every instance. You have basically said that laptops aren't good for gaming, period. But those who have touted the benefits of a laptop for gaming have taken the additional step of contextualizing the settings in which laptops are advantageous.

What you have to realize is that your opinion is just that - an opinion. It is in no way a statement of absolute fact. Furthermore, as I already stated, it is neither your place nor your right to impose your opinion as fact upon others, because you can not account for the cirumstances affecting everyone's decision processes. Let those people looking for a new machine decide what's best for them - don't go slamming an opinion just because it doesn't coincide with your own.
post #33 of 73
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Originally Posted by tntoak


Since someone already brought up cognitive dissonance, let's apply another logical principle to that sentence: the substitution rule.

Many are biased and would readily object to a gaming LT and that can sway someone's opinion. There are better alternatives to playing LAN games than a desktop.

Two key points that can be made from that:

1. Every criticism you offer of the opinion that laptops can be good gaming machines can also be applied to your own opinion. Therefore, your opinion isn't more or less valid that ours.

2. The worth of a laptop for gaming purposes is directly related to the type of games played, as well as the setting in which said games will be played. Therefore, there is not a blanket answer that can apply to every instance. You have basically said that laptops aren't good for gaming, period. But those who have touted the benefits of a laptop for gaming have taken the additional step of contextualizing the settings in which laptops are advantageous.

What you have to realize is that your opinion is just that - an opinion. It is in no way a statement of absolute fact. Furthermore, as I already stated, it is neither your place nor your right to impose your opinion as fact upon others, because you can not account for the cirumstances affecting everyone's decision processes. Let those people looking for a new machine decide what's best for them - don't go slamming an opinion just because it doesn't coincide with your own.
I like your style dude
post #34 of 73
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Originally Posted by phoenix78
buit if there is someone who would actually change their mind and not purchase a gaming laptop after reading this thread then good.
Sounds to me like jealousy I'll bet you really want one but can't afford it so in turn you flame us for wanting or having one. I found this forum by doing a search on google entitled get this......gaming laptops. So you see I was already looking for one I wasn't swayed by this forum. I wanted a laptop for a few different reasons and here they are:

My son

1. My 2 year old son likes to unplug wires and hit buttons on the keyboard when I watch him in my PC room. A laptop enables me to go into his play room and watch him with out being tied down by wires. This way I don't die of boredom watching Barney videos.

I love gadgets

2. The technology behind a laptop is incredible...truely a marvel! I'm a technology buff I love new lighter faster gadgets, that's why I'm here, at this forum.

fragging

3. I love to frag and the truth is that the laptop in my sig (of which I'll own tommorow) is faster then the one I built myself exactly 1 year ago. The pc in my sig is respectable and plays most new games very well, but for a laptop to beat it by 5,000 points in 3dmark 2001 is godlike and worthy of respect.

Wireless freedom

I can sit under a tree outside and smell the fresh air while I watch a dvd or surf the net or check stocks or play chess or frag etc, etc......
post #35 of 73
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Originally Posted by phoenix78
oh! i amlost forgot!! ill tell you another little story...

i like to play chess and so i bought a chess playing program called Fritz 8 by the company called Chessbase. this program allows you to play on the internet agaiunst anyone around the world who logs into the playchess.com server. here there is a 'machines room' where people use their computer engine to play against other computer engines (the same engines that were used to play against Garry Kasparov!). now let me tell you that there are people there that have spend thousands of dollars on hardware just to have the biggest and most brutal machine so they can beat all others inthe machine room. and im talking about 4x xeon processors, dual proccessors with HT that look like 4 threaded machines and the list goes on and on...

the more powerful your machine the more calculations and search depth you can perform and therefore your machine can play better moves than another persons machine and the more people you beat the more elo points you get and the higher your rank on the playchess server. now there were those who were top of the lot for several months... then all of a sudden they started loosing and dropped away because as time went on , new hardware came out and outdated the previous best and so on and so forth.... so there are people spending thousands of dollars on hardware to play chess better only to have their ranking diminish by technology changes each half year or so... and what is the benefit of all this? NOTHING! it meant nothing to have a ranking on a server that means nothing to anybody. it is just a game but people got so blinded by the thrill of having the best that they actually believed that their lives were enriched in some way. they felt special! that is delusional! and some of these people didnt even know how to play chess them selves!!

It is unfortunate that they realised this after they spent all that money and suffered while seeing their machines degrade over time in a pointless exercise.
Like many hobbies, whats enjoyable for one person can sound like waste of time for others. These people investing their time and money into fixing up their computers are no diferent than those guys fixing up their cars, playing poker with their buddies, and playing airsoft. I should know, cause these are my hoddies. Do whatever brings you pleasure.
post #36 of 73
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Originally Posted by ilCacciatore
Five Reasons for a Gaming Laptop (there are more):

5. Students
I read, I think in Time magazine, that by around Fall of 2006 something like 90% of 4-year Universities will require a laptop for entering freshman. Many already do require laptops for all students (such as my current school and all of the law schools I am looking at). If you're in the situation where your school mandates that you have a laptop and, considering that most students are on very limited budgets - you're going to get a laptop that does everything you want out of a computer (i.e. gaming as well) rather than go for a desktop as well, because of money constraints.

that seems a little BS to me man. At school i see about 2 ppl in classes of 30 with laptops out and these are computer science classes or engineering where I would say the majority of laptops for university students are.
post #37 of 73
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that seems a little BS to me man. At school i see about 2 ppl in classes of 30 with laptops out and these are computer science classes or engineering where I would say the majority of laptops for university students are.
Once again, we have a case in which one example is being used to make inferences about every college out there. Not only are most colleges beginning to require laptops for incoming students, but many are actually providing them to the incoming freshmen. At the university I attended, I'd say that at least a third of the people in my classes had laptops they took to class with them, and I was a History/Political Science major. This was three years ago. Now that wireless networking is becoming even more prevalent, you are seeing that percentage increase markedly. Go to some university/college websites and see how many either require a computer or provide them - you'll be surprised. I know of several school offhand that do that, and Duke University is actually providing iPods to incoming freshmen to record lectures on.

There's a reason that notebooks outsold desktops for the first time ever in late 2004 - portability and mobility are becoming increasingly important, and units that can play games are among the leaders in the notebook segment. When you can get a laptop that will play games for almost the same price as a desktop, the portability and flexibility of the mobile platform really stands out.

Personally speaking, I have gone back and forth between desktops & notebooks over the years - my first notebook was a Powerbook 145. To be perfectly honest, I prefer notebooks because of the portability factor. Furthermore, given the pace at which notebook manufacturers are closing the gap with their desktop counterparts, I'm not surprised in the least that notebooks sales are still climbing. It's not just a handful of people that are turning to notebooks for gaming, the number is growing every day.

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I like your style dude
Thanks, I appreciate that.

Here's my five reasons for owning a laptop over a desktop:

1. Portability - not only can I use my notebook anywhere in the house or in the yard 9weather permitting), but I can also take it with me - whether I'm flying out on a trip or just going to a coffee shop.

2. Size - a notebook computer takes up less space than a desktop, and consequently can be used in a wider variety of places.

3. Flexibility - unlike the early days, when laptops lagged far behind the performance curve of desktops, notebooks have closed in on their larger counterparts. That means that not only can I do word processing, email, etc. on the unit, but I can also edit digital video, play games, etc.

4. Power consumption - since laptop manufacturers do have to take battery life into consideration, I wind up using less electricity to power it. Compared to a desktop, where you are running power to the tower, monitor, and whatever other accessories you have connected to it, I have just the one AC adapter connected to the laptop. That means that I consume less electricity, and save money every month when the electric bill rolls around.

5. Price - for virtually the same price as a similarly configured desktop, I get the same capabilities, INCLUDING gaming, but I gain the advantages outlined above. There will always be power users who have to have the absolute best, fastest (and usually most expensive) computers out there. They are the ones who wouldn't be suited to notebooks. But for most people, notebooks provide a viable alternative to desktops, even for the same purposes.
post #38 of 73
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Originally Posted by phoenix78
I guess my original post is motivated by the fact that i used to be a heavy game player but have outgrown it in certain respects. I have almost completed my 'computer systems engineering' degree and am using most of my time in learning and playing about with electronics and logic circuit simulators than games... and when it comes time for recreation the last thing i want to do is continue to sit on my ass and be infront of the pc. instead i go out to the gym or for a walk or cycle or something that has nothing to do with computers. I used to play games till 6am in the morning and for like periods longer than 10 hours and then slept for like 2 hours before getting up to continue my day. and i would maybe take a week or two off gaming after i completed a game or got bored with it. So getting away from games has opened my eyes to a whole better way of living. lol... fresh air and no demons comming around the corner! and more money saved in not spending towards technology that doesnt benefit me in any way.
LOL. This is pretty funny. You are saying here that you have a special reason to not be into playing games, so why go around berating other people for it? Do you really have something to prove by coming to an online forum and saying "I am so much more mature than you because I dont play video games".

Also, what makes playing with digital logic and electrical circuts of any more value than playing video games? Because you might get paid for it? that only justifys the choice, it doesnt make it any more valid than any other choice. What makes going out and being active any more valid than gaming? nothing, once again.

I could list a lot of reasons why people would continue gaming. Some people are incredibly competetive. Being able to compete in something you enjoy doing is a great feeling. Alot of times it isnt feesable to be able to compete in something physical...

Heres my reason: I am leaving the country soon, I enjoy playing games occasionally. It isnt econimcally feesable to take a desktop w/ me (though maybe it would be if the new imac played games... or if I had a mac min w/ a nice lcd... but macs dont play games...) So what are my options? Either get a laptop that doesnt play games for around 1000~1200$ or a laptop which plays games for 1300~1500... pretty easy choice for me...

Seriously, quit worrying so much about other peoples choices and worry more about your own.
post #39 of 73
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Originally Posted by Technomancer
A dog is man's best friend
a gaming lappy is a gamer's best friend

Good call.

My quick rundown is this:
1) I have two jobs that require driving from place to place (It Technician)
2) I work at a volunteer rescue squad/ambluance department
3) I'm a college student.

I enjoy my Sager 8790 because it was an upgrade from my old machine. I was probably born holding an Atari 2600 joystick in my arms when I popped out, so to say I'm an avid gamer is to be expected.

The 8790 I have, however, has T-Totally changed my opinions of PC gaming. Point: The laptops made today are just as good as MOST of the high end desktops out today.
post #40 of 73
Admins, please just close this thread. It was obviously flame bait to start, and everyone took a bite.
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