Originally Posted by HardBall
Sorry for breaking the "end of" statement, but I have to respond to this.
You mean the Sager model. I know its existence, its specs, the fact that it has X800 (not the XT or XT PE versions, only the vanilla). No, I have never tested one, and I don't think too many in this forum have. The X800 is already almost 12 months old technology, has already been replaced by the X850, and is not even the higher version in its line (X800 XT and X800XTPE), all the more, from the graphics company that currently does not support SLI. Even dual 6800GT will have a field day this this GPU, not to mention 6800Ultra or the soon coming 6900 series in SLI.
I have friends who have hat X800XT since last May/June, and are itching to replace them already because they do not offer the best fps on the market any more, not to mentin the 9860 only has the vanilla version of X800. And I wonder How much this thing is going to weigh with 2HDDs in RAID. A Shuttle can't weigh that much.
Add injury to insult, this laptop costs well over 2k. And do you know my rig mentioned above will cost on open market? ~800 USD, about only 1/3 of your "dream machine" and will outperform it on most applications, including gaming. (5900U is slightly behind X800, but the faster CPU, 2GB RAM, lower memory latency, much higher I/O bandwidth at 2000MHz, and host of other factors will more than make up for that). And does that LCD even support >60 fps, even if the graphics can handle it on recent games. And how exactly will that Prescott perform in a small enclosed space for hours and hours (something I don't want to find out, one of my friends has a P4E 3.6 in a desktop with plenty of case cooling and robust HSF, but is registering over 85C when underload).
This is all comparing to a system that is obsolete in my eyes and one that I am trying to upgrade from. Laptops == not for serious gaming; Serious gamers == people who do not use laptops to game, except in transit.
IBM is doing it right, they really understand the market forces behind it, and what LTs are truly made up to be. And that's why we see the figures on their sales charts.
First of feel free to respond. Nobody cares if u break the end of...... this isn't Judge Judy.
Now, so what you're saying is that the gaming experience on a 9860 is 'lacking' because it is a laptop. I don't know how to respond to that givin that it plays the latest games at the highest detail levels.....EASILY.
Now, if I can play all the latest games at the highest detail levels and able to do this on a 17 inch glossy SXGA+ screen with the added luxury of mobility afforded by virtue of the rig being a laptop then I think the laptop does its job and does it well, wouldn't u agree?
The fact that it is $3000+ is normal since this is an elite niche product.
You mentioned the price and I'm not sure what that has to do with anything since ANY LAPTOP is ALWAYS GOING TO BE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN ITS DESKTOP EQUIVALENT.
It just seemed like a poor attempt at adding more 'credence' to your argument.
You seem to try to change the argument from laptops can't be good gaming machines to laptops are really overpriced and it just makes more sense to buy a desktop if you're into gaming.
I want to make it clear that I NEVER said that a laptop can be better than a desktop at gaming. Thats a ridiculous argument and one that cannot be substantiated.
My argument is that w/ a 9860 I can pay the LATEST AND GREATEST games PLUS the convenience of portability that is unmatched by any desktop.
Desktop + monitor + speakers + keyboard + mouse = setup and frag.
9860 = open bag, take out 9860 + open lid + turn power on + log on to network + frag
If u feel that luggin a desktop with all that entails is better than a 9860 at a LAN party well,,,,,,,ok then, fine, whatever, you're the first person whos that 'loyal' to his desktop and lets just leave it at that.....