AW Reseller Ratings - Page 9

I think we should all chip in and get Commish an Alienware so that he could see what he so obviously knows nothing about.

Commish

I'm really so tired of your posturing and posing here that for once I'm going to respond to your post.

Your posts are filled with some much envy, vitriol and spite it's a wonder you don't need Windex wipes to clean your monitor. You spew out fact, opinions, fabrications and half-truths like they were some kind of Soup of the Day in a fast-food joint.

And then sometimes out of the blue you actually post something that makes sense, but when I look at it it's a post where you cannot bring in your hard-on for Dells. But the moment you can...BAM! DELL RULES Alienware sucks. You have such a blinkered and narrow world-view that you cannot even see that your posts are nonsensical, immature and provide the rest of us ordinary folk with a great deal of amusement.

I'm not even going to try and tell you to change or grow up or be more mature and thoughtful in your future posts because if you follow your usual pattern you'll be hammering out a response to my post filled with verbal diarrhea.

So to quote a famous American: Go ahead, make my day.

I do NOT do alienware sucks posts...I do "my XPS is on par with your EXACT same hardware alienware" posts...I never said one is BETTER than the other, except for the fact that alienware systems ARE DEFINETLY cooler looking...which most would agree.

I am not some Troll who just says "aliewnare sucks" and signs off...I like to debate PC issues of all kinds, not just take one side and reel off insults. Most people here do debate legitametly, while others just try and bash everything I say and call me immature.

My next PC will likely be an alienware...simply to put them to the test. I think that thread should be stickied, and we'll see if alienware can bring commish to the "other side."

To quote another famous American...

"know your role, jabroni."

Gimme that shovel man. You just keep diggin' yourself deeper.

I used to own a Dell. It was a good machine, so I see where you are coming from. But a forum filled with Alienware loyalists like myself is not the place to try and convince everyone of....well....whatever it is you are trying to do.

Commish is so loaded with dough he could be one of each AW system available in every available color and configuration. He just does not believe in dropping that kind of dime because Dell can do anything AW can. The Dell XPS 4th gen gets a 30,000 score in 3dMark05 without having to have SLI.

Commish

Let's be clear here with no misunderstanding:

Please explain:

1. Exactly "how" is your Dell on par with an Alienware? For a start the motherboard has had a frontal lobotomy! Every similarly-equipped Dell has been beaten in tests across the board by Falcon, Voodoo and Alienware in magazines OTHER than PC Gamer.

If you can explain THAT then perhaps some of your arguments have merit.

Now, you are happy with your Dell, I'm happy for you. I like to see the disadvantaged make the best of what they have. But most of us here have Alienware systems, which we are happy with. If we had wanted Dells we would have bought Dells. We didn't. That speaks volumes for our respective choices.

You wanted a pc that as Hammer so eloquently put it, is "Stupid-proofed."

I rest my case.

I am growing very tired of you Commish, you have an excuse for every fact offered, but your excuses don't make any sense.

When was the last time you looked at a PC Gamer magazine, and Dell didn't have a two page ad? Does that mean AW pays more for their ad than Dell, so the AW's score higher? LOL!!!

Simple fact is PC Gamer puts an emphasis on gaming performance. That's why Dell is always behind manufacturers that use fully functional hardware. And every review I've read, at PC Gamer and elsewhere, list the motherboard's limitation as the high score killer for the Dell.

Maybe when you learn to read, you can actually figure out that the Dell XPS machines they test underperform on benchmarks every time.

Maybe if the Dell came with hardware that let it perform in the neighborhood of AW, Voodoo, and FN systems, they'd get rated a little higher. Maybe they should work on the wiring a little too... but with customers like you that refuse to do the research and face the facts, all they have to do to stay in business is offer coupons and tell you your system is as good as an AW.

It's pure bull, by people like you believe it anyway.

I guess the mobo is the only problem....? Since the gen 4 now has the best single video card out right now...

Change the mobo.... lol easy fix, still cheaper.

Jumping in late sorry but Commish blow it out your not only is dell cutting the market by mass producing cheap products but they out source american jobs to india they are killing a free market socitey in the PC world. I have worked on over 4000 dell units on a goverment contract THEY ARE SHIT BOXES. I have personaly owned dell computers for what i paid 2300 dollars on an insperaofshit 8000 I was sorley disapointed.

The amout of extra shit that dell put's into the OS alone is ungodly. I dont own an AW but i have owned a Dell and i will never again.

Tom,

Thanks for your well wishes on my health situation, I appreciate it.

I recently asked for a second opinion from a cancer clinic in Seattle, and they reclassified my tumor to a stage 2, so I'm looking at eight months of chemotherapy now when I thought I was done with treatment...

It's a mixed blessing... With the chemo, I have a better chance of them getting everything, so that's good, but it'll be a pain to deal with for a while....

I'm not familiar with the Ozma system, or what's available out there for audio editing, so all I can say is it's never good to hear someone that isn't happy with their system. I hope you eventually get the thing optimized for your use and your opinion changes for the positive. That's a lot of money to spend on something you're not happy with.

I'd be interested to hear your opinion of the Dell once you get into the bios and see what is, and isn't adjustable. I do know that the XPS is the top of the line system Dell sells, so it would be interesting to hear what you can find out about the motherboard..

And of course the "idiots" comment was a little tongue in cheek. Dell does make some nice laptops, and if I needed inexpensive systems for my office, or a less finicky system for my kid, I'd consider Dell too.

However, if you're looking for the top echelon of gaming systems that use fully functional hardware throughout the system, Dell performance just doesn't match that of AW, FN, or Voodoo for that matter for the same configuration.

Right now though, you can only get the ATi 9800 in the Dell laptop, so Dell holding the industry hostage seems to be working out for them. I'm personally disappointed in ATi for not getting a version of their card that works in other gaming notebooks with standard motherboards, but this tactic is exactly what I've come to expect from Dell. This isn't the first sweetheart deal between Dell and ATi though. And I'm sure the bulk of ATi's income comes from Dell... It's just too bad that Dell doesn't feel it can compete, so they need to get exclusives to sell their crap.

Dell has tens of billions of dollars of income in a year, much more than Alienware's $150-$200 million a year, so if they truly wanted to build a machine that would compete, they could. And you'd better believe ATi would love to see their components in machines that allow it to perform to it's limits.

Dell just doesn't want to compete fairly. And with people settling for the XPS and rewarding Dell's bully behavior, I guess from a business perspective they have no reason to compete fairly. But from the perspective of someone that's benefitted from the competition in the PC gaming arena, I think Dell's behavior is bad for gaming in general. It's not at all unreasonable to think that someday, the only gaming system we may be able to buy would be a Dell. With competition, Dell refuses to use a good motherboard, do you think without competition Dell would put out any extra effort to make a better machine?

I wonder what that XPS could really do if it had a quality Asus motherboard in it?

Not if you want the ATi 9800, it won't work in a standard motherboard, only in Dell's own garbage mobo. The post designation for the wiring is different.

Only way you're getting the ATi 9800 at this time is to buy a Dell.

Dell has been embarrassed by being outperformed by all the other manufacturers hardware configuration for configuration. That's why Dell wanted an exclusive on the 9800. If it worked in standard mobo's, AW, FN, and Voodoo machines would be running circles around it.

the 9800? The card I'm talking about is the 850xt PE. And you can buy that at newegg, zipzoomfly or pretty much anywhere.

Good luck on the chemo, it sounds like getting a second opinion was the right thing to do. It's great to see you are being so positive, and maintaining a sense of humor, I think those things will guarentee a complete recovery.

As far as my Alienware, it actually performs very well, the optimizations are the sorts of OS configuration things I'm sure gamers do too, so I just went in and configured it myself, just like my desktop audio box. At this point I can record more than 10 tracks simultaneously, and mix down 30 or more tracks with lots of plugins, so the machine is performing as expected. Even though the Alienware has optical out, given that it is a 16 bit audio card, it is not very useful to me since most of my projects are 24 bit. Also, when I try do a mixdown with lots of tracks, I get lots of dropouts with the internal card. Not a big problem since I generally use a high end audio interface (Firewire or PC Card), but I would certainly like to be able to mix with just the laptop. BTW - the Ozma is just a 5500 (now the MJ 12), realy no difference except possibly options in the configuration. At any rate the laptop works well, while much of the hardware is not on my A list, I know they are limited because they have to just take off the shelf motherboards, but like I said, lots of companies do this, really nothing special here. The 5500 is a great desktop replacement, I knew what I was getting, but it really isn't much of an engineering marvel to put a bunch of off the shelf parts into a really big case and make a notebook that has no battery life and generates a bunch of heat.

Not sure I agree about some Dell comments. To be honest, my Alienware says "Made In Taiwan" on the bottom. Alienware just repackages stuff made overseas, while Dell maintains extensive R&D and testing facilities in this country, so I'm not sure I'm really helping American workers that much more by buying an Alienware. And as far as being big and not playing fair, I don't really get it. I love the fact that PC prices have dropped so much that virtually anyone can afford to buy one these days. To be honest, I think the new XPS looks pretty cool and shows a lot more engineering excellance and innovation than I see in Alienware products. A usable gaming laptop that lasts more than an hour on battery and is lighter seems like a great step forward. I think a lot of people will be more than happy with how it plays games and love that it is really more of a real "notebook".

As I have mentioned I will be looking for another notebook once the bigger 7200 RPM drives come out, and I don't really see anything Dell is making that will meet my requirements (dual hard drives and an optical drive), so I may end up with another Alienware, but if I was looking strictly for a gaming laptop and could live with whatever performance compromises I had to make with the XPS, it would defintely be high on my list.

Tom

The corners Dell cuts do not impact performance in ANY major way...I posted benchies and I was well within Alienware system performance.

and Hammerhead, Im "growing tired" of your alienware can do no wrong attitude. I dont care what you are "growing tired" of.

I got an XPS, fully loaded, that performs at a high level when compared to these "custom" machines that everyone says are so far beyond my XPS. I paid $2055 bucks, got the most bang for the buck, got a 4 year warranty with XPS support, and its as fast as its supposed to be. Those that spent double, triple, or more on their custom box, good for you....its a cooler case, more fun to own than an XPS, but unfortunetly, same hardware, stripped down or not, is the same hardware.

Cheers. And Hammerhead find another thread if you are "growing tired" of the Commish. I wished you well in the "sticky' about your health situation too, by the way.

If you are so happy with your dell go play in the dell forums with your coupons. The Hardware is not the same otherwise the new 9800 would work in all LT not just dell. and if it is the "same" what MOBO do you have in that XPS of yours commish?

Hammerhead, I just checked and my son's XPS has a TI Firewire Host Controller, a TI PC Card Interface, and an Intel USB interface, and that is defintely my A list. Probably not a big concern to gamers, but something I defintely look at.

which new 9800 are you people speaking of?

This...http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduc...C-pr1c3grabb3r
or these http://www.newegg.com/app/SearchProd...ult.asp?DEPA=0

or all the other 9800's that are out.... Just wondering.

edit: or just the pci-e's.... I dont follow dell and ati enough to know what they have.

Give me a list of benchmark programs that I can use, and put a LINK to in the forums...this will end the argument.

I would love to bench my rig against a Dell but for some reason I can't find any Dell SLI rigs for comparison (or shall you and I compare benchmarks). My benchs are so far higher than the Voodoo and the Falcon benchs (not by much and mine are higher because I have done a little OC'ing). With all defaults the Voodoo, AW,and Falcon are about identical. That would be almost twice as fast as your Dell. If Dell makes and SLI rig I am sure it will be pretty fast and perhaps comparable to an Aurora 7500 or non-OC'd ALX. Well, I won't say sure, but it might be the case.

3dmark 03 05

Aquamark03

superpi for that cpu of yours.

I dont know if you play hl2, but theres the stress test in there for counterstrike source.

You find all these by google. I'm kinda interested on seeing how the dell does.

Just for a comparison thats my rig, with a single 6800GT.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=618933

I know the cpumarks seem kinda low for 2.6ghz, I need some better ram.

Not bad for a GT, Brilly. Here is a compare of our scores:

http://www.wvi.com/~drdee/compare1.jpg