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post #41 of 60
So....I got my laptop back in late november. Will I be able to enable the 64 bit ext through BIOS? I dont know if this q has been answered. I just need some clarification.
post #42 of 60
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Originally Posted by Fungo
So....I got my laptop back in late november. Will I be able to enable the 64 bit ext through BIOS? I dont know if this q has been answered. I just need some clarification.
From what I read, No. The BIOS update just allows the new CPU to work on the mobo in the 9860.
post #43 of 60
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Originally Posted by KnightOwL
From what I read, No. The BIOS update just allows the new CPU to work on the mobo in the 9860.
So this means I will have to send my laptop in for the upgrade? Arghh...I dont know if it's worth it. I will just wait it out. 64-bit is still in infancy, for desktop that is.
post #44 of 60
on a slightly unrelated note: will most programs still be able to work on xp64? it would be kind of pointless to upgrade to xp64 if they didn't...
post #45 of 60
Yes as long as they are not using a 16 bit installer
post #46 of 60
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Originally Posted by otheronenorehto
So power management will just be handled by something other than the Intel ESS
Does this just mean that the chip will run hotter and consume more power than if the ESS was functional?
Now that one is onboard a 9860...
How do heat and power consumption compare to the 5xx series? Can we see numbers?
The article linked in an earlier post gives the power consumption comparisons.
www.techreport.com
To paraphrase: -The 6xx seems to run a bit cooler than the corresponding 5xx.-
I'll have to re-read to see how much of that depends on speedstep.

I'm assuming that if the laptop is designed to run the 3.6 5xx, rated at 115W, then it should easily handle the 3.4 5xx,rated at 85w. If the 6xx's run slightly cooler, then the 3.4 and 3.6 6xx's shouldn't be a problem.
I like the 64bit capability with the ability to try the xp64 RC2. Linux may be able to use the 64bits too?
When the final release of xp64 is available, microsoft apparently will allow a trade-in for xp32. From what I have read, you won't be able to upgrade the laptop OS from xp32, but have to do a fresh install of xp64.
post #47 of 60

luke question for you please?

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Originally Posted by Luke@PCTorque
They aren't now, but i would personally rather get one now then buy one out right when there is a difference when your OS and applications are 64 bit enabled. As far as the 7620... I am working on getting an answer for that.
hi luke, i just received my 9860 only to see that the 600 series is there. what do i have to do to get this change in laptop? i have to return the laptop and then do a whole order again or can sager just the change my processor for my laptop.

thanks

giuseppe melfi
post #48 of 60
Okay guys, this is like in a magic forest of unspoken miracles. But where are the FACTS ? Let me ask the questions that matter:

- Where is the BIOS update for new 64bit P4s ? When will it come ?
- Who installed Windows XP 64bit with the new chips ? Any benchmarks ? Screenshots ? Do the delivered SCSI drivers work for 64bit Windows or do we need new ones ? Where are they ? And what about all the other drivers ?
- Who inserted 4GB Ram with a 6XX P4 using XP64 ? Theoretically 4GB should be working now. Who has practical experience with it ?
post #49 of 60
I'm interested in knowing how this compares to the AMD 64 Bit Mobile Processors?
post #50 of 60
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Originally Posted by parravan
The article linked in an earlier post gives the power consumption comparisons.
www.techreport.com
To paraphrase: -The 6xx seems to run a bit cooler than the corresponding 5xx.-
I'll have to re-read to see how much of that depends on speedstep.

I'm assuming that if the laptop is designed to run the 3.6 5xx, rated at 115W, then it should easily handle the 3.4 5xx,rated at 85w. If the 6xx's run slightly cooler, then the 3.4 and 3.6 6xx's shouldn't be a problem.
I like the 64bit capability with the ability to try the xp64 RC2. Linux may be able to use the 64bits too?
When the final release of xp64 is available, microsoft apparently will allow a trade-in for xp32. From what I have read, you won't be able to upgrade the laptop OS from xp32, but have to do a fresh install of xp64.

Yes but in that article the EES was active I am asking for a heat comparison in the 9860 where the EES will not be active.
post #51 of 60
I wonder if the new 6xx series runs cooler?
post #52 of 60
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Originally Posted by otheronenorehto
Yes but in that article the EES was active I am asking for a heat comparison in the 9860 where the EES will not be active.
exactly, I have the feeling that without the EES, the 6xx series is going to run hotter in a laptop that already is a heater.
post #53 of 60
At the risk of sounding stupid, I'm wondering what sort of real-world advantage the 64-bit extensions have, and whether this is worth the potential incompatibility with 32-bit drivers. I know that the memory ceiling is higher, and it is more future proof, but I'd like to know what other benefits there are.

From Anandtech, it looks like benchmarks are faily similar between 500 and 600 series.

The futureproofing may not be worth the potential compatibility problems, since by the time everything is 64bit, most people would probably have changed computers, or upgrade at that time.
post #54 of 60
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Originally Posted by Frenchfred
exactly, I have the feeling that without the EES, the 6xx series is going to run hotter in a laptop that already is a heater.
The article is archived- but here is the link to the last page with op temps info.
http://www.techreport.com/reviews/20.../index.x?pg=16
Quoted below-----

http://www.techreport.com/reviews/20...power-idle.gif
"The first thing one notices about power consumption at idle is that there's practically no difference between the Pentium 4 600-series chips with SpeedStep enabled or disabled. That's because the C1E halt state accomplishes essentially the same thing. Either way, though, the 600-series and 500J-series CPUs both consume quite a bit less power at idle than the Prescott chips that don't support C1E or SpeedStep, like the P4 560 or the new Extreme Edition 3.73GHz. Because current Athlon 64 processors don't have anything comparable to the C1E halt state, they pull more juice at idle than the newer Pentium 4 chips. With Cool'n'Quiet enabled, though, all of the Athlon 64 processors consume even less power than the C1E and SpeedStep-enabled P4s. There's no doubt, though, that Intel has made great strides.

http://www.techreport.com/reviews/20...power-load.gif
Under load, SpeedStep and Cool'n'Quiet don't have any significant impact, but we do see that the P4 600 series manages to consume less power than the older Prescott-based processors we're testing. I wouldn't attribute that difference to the presence of the C1E halt state, in part because Cinebench is a very full CPU load, and in part because the P4 500 and 500J models consume roughly comparable amounts of power at the same clock speed. The 600-series processors, and even the new P4 3.73GHz Extreme Edition, are relatively more efficient under load—despite the fact that they're packing another 1MB of L2 cache.
I asked Intel what to make of these results, but unfortunately, they weren't able to give me an answer before this article went online. I hate to speculate about why the newer P4s with 2MB of L2 cache aren't drawing as much power as the older models with 1MB of L2. Is it just better properties of newer chips, or has the new CPU core been otherwise tweaked? Perhaps we'll get some answers from Intel before too long.

Whatever the reason, the new P4 core does require relatively less power under load than the older chips that we tested. These things do vary from chip to chip, so I don't want to make too much of these results from just a few processors. Indications are certainly good, though. That said, the 90nm version of the Athlon 64 3500+ still pulls about 60W less under load than the P4 650 does, and the Pentium M is even more efficient. "

I think this means it runs cooler without ESS?
post #55 of 60
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Originally Posted by otheronenorehto
Yes but in that article the EES was active I am asking for a heat comparison in the 9860 where the EES will not be active.
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post #56 of 60
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Originally Posted by rlin1219
At the risk of sounding stupid, I'm wondering what sort of real-world advantage the 64-bit extensions have, and whether this is worth the potential incompatibility with 32-bit drivers. I know that the memory ceiling is higher, and it is more future proof, but I'd like to know what other benefits there are.

From Anandtech, it looks like benchmarks are faily similar between 500 and 600 series.

The futureproofing may not be worth the potential compatibility problems, since by the time everything is 64bit, most people would probably have changed computers, or upgrade at that time.
I agree. I was willing to pay the diffence to go from 3.4 to 3.6, but decided to pay the same to go to a possibly cooler running processor and get 64bits.
The trade in value may be more in a yr or so. (Got to keep potential use general.)It will prob cost over $145 to change the cpu and reflash the bios then.
Besides, the horizon for dual core, ATI850, is so far that you can now decide on what is available rather than waiting.
(My 2cents)
post #57 of 60
Im still waiting on a REAL 64bit CPU to go into a gaming laptop... like the AMD FX55 w/ 939 socket... it trounces all the P4's ive seen even the P4 EE

All this talk about this p4 w/ 64bit just seems like some silly add-on feature and not exactly a new platform altogether...

Its also strange that the motherboards dont have to be upgraded ...b/c on the desktops its required u put that cpu in a 64bit compliant MB...> ?!?!!?
post #58 of 60
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Originally Posted by enkrypt3d
Im still waiting on a REAL 64bit CPU to go into a gaming laptop... like the AMD FX55 w/ 939 socket... it trounces all the P4's ive seen even the P4 EE

All this talk about this p4 w/ 64bit just seems like some silly add-on feature and not exactly a new platform altogether...

Its also strange that the motherboards dont have to be upgraded ...b/c on the desktops its required u put that cpu in a 64bit compliant MB...> ?!?!!?
May be compliant with just bios reflash.
You do need a recent motherboard, not necessarily a new one.
"Intel® EM64T requires a computer system with a processor, chipset, BIOS, operating system, device drivers and applications enabled for Intel EM64T. Processor will not operate (including 32-bit operation) without an Intel EM64T-enabled BIOS."

Depends on the motherboard and whether you can get an update for the bios.
If the chipset is 9xx series and LGA775 socket it will probably work (caveat: check manufacturer site for specs and bios upgrade).

Nothing's easy............
post #59 of 60

Possible 64bit coverage from GDC

If Luke can get my newly ordered (Feb 28) Sager to me before I fly off to the Game Developers Conference www.gdconf.com next week (March 5). ( I know I’m asking a lot!) I’ll try to beat up the vendors like ATI, Nvidia, and Microsoft and see what 64bit drivers and software we can look forward to in the future and post the answer as I get them. If I don’t get it in time I guess they only posting I’ll be able to do is to a chief tablet.
post #60 of 60

EMT-64 enabled BIOS available or not ? and where ?

From what I read in this thread, I don't really have clues about if an EMT-64 enabled BIOS is available and where to get it . Someone knows ???
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