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post #21 of 36
2/28/05 at 1:48am
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Yeah, I don't get it. I took mine off always on also so it wouldn't clock as high all the time, and it's ALWAYS at 45*c minimum. When I first turn it on if I check, it idles straight to 45*c
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post #22 of 36
2/28/05 at 2:05am
amd, notebook, and heat....
go figure.....
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post #23 of 36
2/28/05 at 2:48am
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yeah for real... when the whole point to them is there supposed to run so much cooler... Guess all I can do is wait for tech support to get back to me about this.
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post #24 of 36
3/2/05 at 9:05pm
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Okay tech support seems to think it's the video card, but I gave them the knowledge I have learned from all of you about the heat, etc. and I told them that I really do believe also that it is a cooling problem to where the laptop is getting wayyy too hot and overheating which is rnedering the video card inoperable at certain times. They issued me an RMA # so I am going to be sending it back tomorrow probably (if I can get all my files backed up in time) and then we shall take things from there.

Thanks for all the support. If the computer is able to get to where it stays cool... WHEW... It's gonna be a BEAST!
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post #25 of 36
3/2/05 at 11:12pm
Hey, Proto, I noticed that in your sig it states that you have both a DVD & CD burner in your 4750. How is that possible, when it seems that only one optical drive is available for that particular model? I mean either DVD OR CD. I must be missing something...
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post #26 of 36
3/2/05 at 11:33pm
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Originally Posted by scsi lvd
amd, notebook, and heat....
go figure.....

what he means is that AMD chips almost always run much hotter then Intel chips when using similar cooling methods. In my experience working with desktops...i always add a few more fans and a non-stock heatsink when building AMD systems. Personally i'm an intel guy and my 4760 that is going on 1.5 years old doesn't even run that hot...so i think it is definitely a cooling issue...which might be causing damage to your video card.
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post #27 of 36
3/2/05 at 11:49pm
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WJF, The drive I have in mine is a combo drive. It burns both DVD & CD from the same drive. It came standard when I was customizing it.

Two Man Riot, I understand what you mean now. I figured AMD was the better choice because of the PowerNow feature and saving battery life, so I went ahead with that. My first time with them... I guess I shoulda stuck with Intel after all. I gotta package it tonight soon as I finish backing up all my files, so in the note, I will probably Mention to them that if it will run much cooler with an INTEL chip, then I'd appreciate for them to swap it out.
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post #28 of 36
3/3/05 at 12:16am
can't just swap it out...it would require then to change mobos and be a big hassle...they definitely will not do it. Regardless...the AMD should work...and if you send it back it should get fixed.
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post #29 of 36
3/3/05 at 12:45am
I'm always been suspicious of AMD chips from right when they first came out and watched in horror as some of my friends mobos got burned out because of heat/fan problems with the Athlon chips..... and again software problems when rumming with power hungry video cards.
There's a reason why Intel has a lock on the mobile market.... putting an amd into a computer is "racey"..... putting it into a notebook is just plain asking for trouble......
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post #30 of 36
3/3/05 at 12:48am
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yeah, I knew they'd have to change the motherboard, but I figure if they can't get the hold on it, then they'll just go ahead and swap it out rather than me return it for good.
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post #31 of 36
3/3/05 at 12:58am
I have been using AMD for a couple years in a Desktop and in the 4750 for over a week and I have had no problems as far as the cpu or mobo goes. I am glad AMD is out, they are pushing Intel to keep up with the times and come out with new products.
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post #32 of 36
3/3/05 at 1:20am
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Originally Posted by ProtoProtoss
WJF, The drive I have in mine is a combo drive. It burns both DVD & CD from the same drive. It came standard when I was customizing it.
Ah, ok! Thanks for the info!
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post #33 of 36
3/3/05 at 7:06am
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Originally Posted by scsi lvd
I'm always been suspicious of AMD chips from right when they first came out and watched in horror as some of my friends mobos got burned out because of heat/fan problems with the Athlon chips..... and again software problems when rumming with power hungry video cards.
There's a reason why Intel has a lock on the mobile market.... putting an amd into a computer is "racey"..... putting it into a notebook is just plain asking for trouble......
What are you talking?
Only the Pentium-M is cooler than the Mobile Athlon64 processors. Also the new Turion64 will have 25W to 35W TDP (near Pentium-M).

The heat problems only apply for the early Athlon processors (Athlons with Thunderbird core). Since the Athlon XP (Tbred-B and Barton core) the heat problems are gone. My current desktop is a silent system (my ATI Radeon 9600XT is the loudest component) and is equiped with an Athlon XP 3200+ (idle: 38°C - load: 48°C). All guys with heat problems don't use the right cooling solution (buy a Zalman CNPS-7000A-Cu).

The 47xx based notebooks with Intel processor produce the same (Northwood) or more (Prescott) heat. The cooling solution of that Clevo series was not very effective (8790 and 9860 are designed better) but they are good and nice looking notebooks.
So it is wrong to say that AMD based notebooks always cause heat problems (it depends on the cooling solution).
Look at the eMachines M68xx or the Voodoo Envy:M860. It is a great notebook which produces only 1.5 Sone under load (Pentium-M based notebooks produce around 1 Sone and the Clevo P4 notebooks around 3 Sone) and stays really cool (good and silent cooling solution).

Intel only has the lock in the mobile sector because they have the market position to put preasure on the different ODMs (for example: if the ODM has to much AMD based notebooks in his product portfolio the price conditions for Intel parts will get worse).

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Originally Posted by Two Man Riot
what he means is that AMD chips almost always run much hotter then Intel chips when using similar cooling methods. In my experience working with desktops...i always add a few more fans and a non-stock heatsink when building AMD systems. Personally i'm an intel guy and my 4760 that is going on 1.5 years old doesn't even run that hot...so i think it is definitely a cooling issue...which might be causing damage to your video card.
Wrong !
Since the Athlon64 AMD based systems are cooler than Intel Desktop systems. It is fact that the Athlon and Athlon XP processors were slightly hotter than P4 Northwood systems but that doesn't matter so much because they are designed for higher temps (Athlon XP: max. temperature around 90°C - P4 Northwood: max. temperature around 75°C). But with a good cooler no problems occur with them.

Look at the power consumption of the different CPUs:
http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/200...m4_570-20.html

The Athlon64 3400+ is in Power consumption (heat) equal to the P4 Northwood with 2600MHz.
Look at the new Athlon64 Winchester processors. The only have 32W power consumption (P4 Prescott 560 has 93W).
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post #34 of 36
3/15/05 at 5:13pm
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Well... my computer is FINALLY on it's way back. They had to change the motherboard... Only thing I'm not happy about is they had to format it, and I truly doubt they put WinXP Corp SP2 back on it.

It'll be here in 2 days, so I'll report how it's working then.
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post #35 of 36
3/18/05 at 2:55pm
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HOT DAMN!!!!!!!!! This comp is everything it needs to be almost!!!

Of course yo'll can see it's back and no more hot temps during game play, no more video problems.... all I can say is.... well... HOT DAMN!!!!!!
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post #36 of 36
3/18/05 at 5:23pm
Sager also sent me a new 4750 after i had all sorts of dvd problems that stemmed from problems with my secondary ide controller.
new one works AWESOME!
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