NotebookForums.com › Forums › Notebook Manufacturers › Dell Forums › Dell Legacy (single-core notebooks) › Desigining own graphics card for 9100/XPS
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Desigining own graphics card for 9100/XPS

post #1 of 50
2/27/05 at 5:19pm
Thread Starter 
Hi .

I am about to get into the architecture of video cards.
If all the graphics/memmory chips/transistors are ordered from a manufacturer such as Nvidia or ATI (Maybe through a thirdparty company) I would hopefully be able to (somehow) come up with my own card. I am just starting to have first looks at this project. Is anyone interested? I know it is quite hard and requires a lot of time and thought but if you are motivated enough *and have knowledge about graphics cards architectures* please reply.

What do you think?

Regards Boza111
Reply
Reply
post #2 of 50
2/27/05 at 5:22pm
I will order one.
Reply
Reply
post #3 of 50
2/27/05 at 6:48pm
you don't know what you talkin about
Reply
Reply
post #4 of 50
2/27/05 at 7:41pm
Hehe great! Want some, too... x850xt pe agp would be nice
Reply
Reply
post #5 of 50
2/27/05 at 7:44pm
i dont even think it is posible to build a video card from individual parts.. the solder points are near imposible to solder and you would need drivers and a bios ... even for a group of people i would say this is imposible...
Reply
Reply
post #6 of 50
2/27/05 at 8:03pm
A group of people... say nvidia?
Reply
Reply
post #7 of 50
2/27/05 at 8:10pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by boza111
Hi .

I am about to get into the architecture of video cards.
If all the graphics/memmory chips/transistors are ordered from a manufacturer such as Nvidia or ATI (Maybe through a thirdparty company) I would hopefully be able to (somehow) come up with my own card. I am just starting to have first looks at this project. Is anyone interested? I know it is quite hard and requires a lot of time and thought but if you are motivated enough *and have knowledge about graphics cards architectures* please reply.

What do you think?

Regards Boza111
Can you get the chips? if so i can get the card with the proper form factor built. I have been throught this before and the biggest problem was getting the chips.
Reply
Reply
post #8 of 50
2/27/05 at 8:11pm
Don't forget the power and thermal design. If you stick an x850xt in there, you'll need more watts, a bigger battery, and probably liquid cooling. Sounds like a fun project!
Reply
Reply
post #9 of 50
2/27/05 at 9:46pm
So, the major goal is to build AGP card for XPS/9100, based on a PCI-E chip, right? Technically it's possible (probably not without factory tools but this argument is aside) but financially it will be very expensive - even manufacturers who could sell dosens of these cards would not cover the R&D and manufacturing expenses. At least you will not build it chipper then cost of loaded XPS2 - so why bother at all. If you want to serve XPS/9100 you'd better help unlock some pipes on 9800 - it sounds much more real for me. If you have hardware skills, maybe you can play with hardware modifications...
Reply
Reply
post #10 of 50
2/28/05 at 2:53am
I know nothing about how graphics cards work, but the easiest part to find is memory. Cause as far as I know graphics cards manufacturers do not make and design their own. They just order them from other companies. So what is you took an existing 9800 and put a 533 mhz memory and make it 512 mb?
But the biggest barrier for all computer electronics manufacturers is heat.
So the only possible solution is to put a wire on the agp port that comes out of the laptop, so that you can use some proper cooling. But then it wouldn't be so mobile.
Again, I don't know shit about these things, I could be totally out.
Reply
Reply
post #11 of 50
2/28/05 at 3:29am
I am so sorry but I just could not resist.
Reply
Reply
post #12 of 50
2/28/05 at 12:35pm
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by wardo
Can you get the chips? if so i can get the card with the proper form factor built. I have been throught this before and the biggest problem was getting the chips.
Hi Wardo.

At the moment my biggest concern is getting the chips, and their expenses. However I am triying to get hold on some chips at the moment. Maybe some old geforce 3 or 4 chips would do the job just for testing the cards (I hope that this would make it not too expensive).
I am going to keep you updated and tell you if I have found any graphics chips.

Are you good at getting the actual card build Wardo. I recomend that the first thing we maybe try to do is to have a look wheather it is possible to attach a normal AGP graphics card to our laptop. This would require some sort of adapter. (Note - Power suply + Attaching laptop display to the card- this has to be looked at)


_____________________________________________

Quote:
Originally Posted by VRT
If you want to serve XPS/9100 you'd better help unlock some pipes on 9800 - it sounds much more real for me. If you have hardware skills, maybe you can play with hardware modifications...

By the way. VRT I know that it sounds much easier getting the pipes unlocked but have you ever heard the phrase "the shortest path is not always the quickest path"
Reply
Reply
post #13 of 50
2/28/05 at 3:20pm
I'm not sure which path you consider as the shortest path and which is quickest one but I wish you good luck with your endeavor. Just don't forget to update drivers for your card regularly.
Reply
Reply
post #14 of 50
2/28/05 at 3:41pm
you could just solder an x850 or x800 core into the 9800, mod the bios a bit and then viola!
Reply
Reply
post #15 of 50
2/28/05 at 4:38pm
Or...maybe another approach would be and I do not know how feasible this would be, but to wait for ATIs Rialto PCI to AGP bridge or NVidias similar tech for that matter...buy a grphx card with the bridge and then stick that in our laptop. The problem is the size and form factor of the graphics card could be a problem but maybe then all we can do is mod the PCB of the new card?! Would that work as another plan of attack?
Reply
Reply
post #16 of 50
2/28/05 at 6:28pm
Quite a hostile approach, suryad... waiting.
Reply
Reply
post #17 of 50
2/28/05 at 9:59pm
are they even investing in that kind of tech? not that i won't mind, it would be awsome... but, still, are they even thinking of making something like that (pci <-> apg bridge)?
Reply
Reply
post #18 of 50
3/1/05 at 12:59am
Heh monk... He just said the Rialto bridge!! Check out ATI's site for it or search google.
Reply
Reply
post #19 of 50
3/1/05 at 3:26am
just make a x900 xt special edition then
Reply
Reply
post #20 of 50
3/1/05 at 4:22pm
Thread Starter 
just a little qoute from Neowin.net

While PCI Express is rapidly replacing AGP in the new computers from makers like Dell and HP, the majority of end-users still uses older machines with previous-gen interconnection and even wants more powerful graphics cards as the time goes.

ATI’s R481, R430 Chips Attack AGP 8x Market

ATI Technologies, the world’s top developer of visual processing units, on Monday unveiled its long-awaited RADEON X850 XT and RADEON X800 XL products for computers that feature AGP 8x, targeting the so-called upgrade market. The new graphics cards hardly bring any innovations in terms of technology compared to the company’s previous-generation RADEON X800 lineup, but enable wider choice for customers looking for high-end Powered by ATI graphics cards.


_________

BTW WARDO .. Did you read the reply I have send to you . Could you please contact me as soon as possible if you could solder the card ?

Thank you very much in advance
Reply
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
NotebookForums.com › Forums › Notebook Manufacturers › Dell Forums › Dell Legacy (single-core notebooks) › Desigining own graphics card for 9100/XPS