dell xps2 or sager 9860 - Page 2  

It's a different screen. It's glossy like the Sager from what I understand.

Alienware lappies are great, but they're still the same D900T chassis that the 9860 is, with the exception of a few components (people have reported strings from driver INFs that suggest that AW might have a 6800u in their A51m-7700, but i'm not sure of the validity of those). Unfortunately, their service and support seems to be going down the toilet (no offense Juan, David, et al) from what i've heard, although the AW employees on these forums have been very helpful with the disgruntled owners here.

Also deuch, DTRs will never be as easy to transport as your average notebook (read: ultraportables->midrange machines). However, the iXPS2 is making strides in that it's actually remotely transportable and mobile (in terms of battery life) compared to it's competitors.

that's assuming that the ultra will go on the 9860. The 9860 has a lot of thermal issues already so adding another heater in it such as the ultra GPU is not gonna help.

Oh please, if Dell can cool it with a notebook 3/4 the size and weight, Clevo can do it with the 9860.

there is a difference in processors, a P4 generates more heat than a P-M. So Clevo will have to put a P-M in the 9860 or come up with a better design.

The processor and graphic card in the 9860 are on opposite sides of the laptop. The air from the fans blows the heat away from eachother. The graphics card has its own fan and the processor has two of its own fans (it idles in the low 40's). I find it hard to believe the 9860 can't handle the new card. Not to mention Voodoo PC says it will work in their model.

Besides, if the ultra doesn't work, 6 months down the line and newer, faster, and cooler card will be available (for both systems) that will catapult the 9860 back to the best (or tied with the XPS2).

The question really should be, "Do i want 64 bit compatibility?" No one can predict once the final of Win64 and completed drivers with games supporting 64 bit come out, if this will live up to our hopes. I'm willing to take that risk that why i own a 9860

Aman Brick

I like the fact that I can upgrade

Get the XPS 2. looks better and much more powerful

xps2? not MUCH powerful, i have already reached its 3dm05 scores with my gddr3 card. The xps2 is nothing special...........its a dell. it will be surpassed in 2 to 3 months by sager, hooked up with the ultra and a amd cpu. I understand you say that , because you ordered one...but seriously, get a grip.

For the 6800 Ultra, it can be a problem of consumption ... 66W versus 22w for the normal 6800Go ... Maybe it can be a problem with a 3.6Ghz or 3.8Ghz processor (115W) ...

deuch

Hope for 6800 Ultras in other notebooks (besides XPS2)?

Googling around for other notebooks that have announced the 6800 Ultra, I found the following Hypersonic notebook, which has the Ultra as an option. First time a Google search has produced anything (besides Dell) since the XPS2 was announced.

http://secure.hypersonic-pc.com/scri...sid=Fusion_MX7

Interestingly, it's not an Aviator. In fact, it's not listed in their mobile section, but in their workstation section. Perhaps it means they couldn't fit the card into their Aviator lineup because of heat / power / ???

They say 14 - 18 day turnaround, but they do say limited availability (what else) on the Ultra.

Anyway, I have some q's into a rep I've been emailing back and forth with ... for one, I'm not sure you can upgrade the card like you can on the Aviator.

But this could signal the beginning of more announcements from other vendors.

but if you look at the specs for the 6800 ultra that hypersonic listed in "item details", the fill rate is what nvidia quotes for the 6800 NON ultra on their website.

My guess is they didn't update that because if you look at the details it looks like it's the exact same page.

My sales contact says they're outta stock anyway. Sigh.

He did say the Fusion is identical to the Aviator.

if the 9860 decides to stick with the p4, what´s going to become of the battery life on the d900t? going to be quite a ´record´ battery life in the wrong sense, way under 1hr during gaming?
so unless they change the chip or chassis of the machine completely, wouldn´t there be problems with heat and battery life? maybe clevo might release the 6800u with a turion chip?

I would think heat would be more of an issue. If I were interested in long battery life I'd be looking at a different type of laptop besides one of these boutique gaming ones.

Get a grip? Ambit you are quoteing fantisies not facts. The Sager with the AMD CPU doesnt exist. The 6800u in the 9860 is still in testing. ( That is a FACT confirmed from luke in another thread ) So with your last line you should read it again and take your own advice.

This isnt a flame either since I just sent PC torque a wire transfer for over $3600 for my new Sager 9860 p4 660 1 gig of ram and the 80 gig drive. I payed the $200 for the 0 dead pixel and got the 3 year with LCD warrantee for mine.

I prefer the 9860 at this time for me because I know it is tried and true. the XPS 2 is still brand new. I mean it hasnt even shipped yet so if you are some of the "lucky" few out there to get the first batch I would feel like a beta tester. I may be way off base and there may not be any problems with this new machine at all but I like to err on the side of caution since it looks like you are paying over $3k for a system I want to be happy with it instead of on the phone constantly with tech support trying to de-bugg the system.

That hypersonic is sorta odd. It looks just like an d900t (9860), has the same motherboard, processor, 2 optical drives, etc. But Hypersonic calls it the Fusion EX7 and in the adress bar it reads the MX7. I think this just might be a marketing scheme to promote the new 6800 ultra and charge more money.

The 6800 Ultra does have the same specs in the info with nothing except the name changing. This would lead me to believe hypersonic has just not changed it. Even if it is not the 6800 ultra dell is using, nVidia list the fill rates from 3.2-5.4, the latter being the new ulra, the new ddr3 in the 9860 should sit somewhere in the low 4's. Leading me to believe hypersonic is just lazy and hasn's update that info. I'd like to believe its the real ultra but it might be the non-ultra ddr3 version. However, doesn't someone at nVidia or dell have a problem with miss labing something like that?

Hypersonic is useing a Clevo base for thier system and they are notorius for advertising products that are not yet ready to ship. This is in no way meant to bash them but it is a statement of fact. A lot of companies do a good business for the reputation of having things first. Dell for instance has been handed the preformance crown for a system that isnt even out yet but people are already flocking to this new system. I know from another thread in the Sager General forum that Luke@pctorque has stated that the 6800 ultra is in fact in the testing phase at this very moment. I tend to belive this for the reason that this company has banked itself on always stateing facts and not speculation you can look back but it has been done time and again. I would not be surprised to see the Ultra ship at the same time as the Dell XPS 2. ( That is a guess and I really have no idea or inside information onn the testing schedule ) As for all the people who are saying it can never happen because of heat issues I personally believe you read this somewhere and have taken it as fact while never really knowing for a fact if it is true or not. Also I would like to see what the effect of the 6800 ultra is on the Battery life but without a card to put in the 9860 it is all speculation. Sager seems to not let out info until it is concrete. Most of thier release dates are set only 2 weeks away from the announcment and part anouncments have generally come at the time of the release, so who knows how long till we see the 6800 ultra but I do believe we will see it.

Here you go again. Would you please tell us where you heard that the sager will have an ultra and an amd in 2-3 months? Oh and i seriously doubt you hit the 3dm scores. How could you, after all? Living in a cooler?