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post #41 of 100
3/2/05 at 12:58am
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Originally Posted by TylerDurden
No I know that you can get a 60 GB 7200 RPM HD; but that is pretty much the end of hte line in terms of space/7200RPM's. If you go above the 60 Gig you drop your RPM's. Where as you can run Raid 0 (or just two HD's) and have more space (120 GIGS) and still have your 7200RPM with AW.

Thanks I'm sure I'll love it!! I've wanted a high end laptop for some time now! I'll definatly post some benchies when I get her!

Seagate announced a 100 gb 7200rpm drive several months ago. Although it's not available now, I'm sure when it is, it will be available from the majority of notebook manufacturers. RAID O is definitely an improvement but shouldn't be the deciding factor in a notebook.

It's obvious from the previous post in this thread that no matter what anyone else brings to market, some think Alienware is always better.
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post #42 of 100
3/2/05 at 12:59am
My 7700 preliminary benchmarks have been promising. Without even going to full benchmark config (i.e. I had quite a few extraneous processes running in the background, hadn't defragged yet, and wasn't even running on a fresh reboot) I scored just under 4000 on 3dMark05.
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post #43 of 100
3/2/05 at 1:17am
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Originally Posted by cgpd7507
It's obvious from the previous post in this thread that no matter what anyone else brings to market, some think Alienware is always better.
Well I mean it is an AW forum. In the posts I have made I'm just saying that in terms of general upgradeability, performance, price and extra features that is what AW won me over with. Dell did have me second guessing myself though when the XPS2 hit stage. The Dell is an awesome book, and I'm sure once Dell starts putting in higher end parts, (example: wider variety in HD's, cameras and etc...) AW is going to have it's work cut out for it.

Speaking of which.... The 7700 is compatible with the new 64 bit chips that Intel has on the way isn't it?
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post #44 of 100
3/2/05 at 1:27am
Thread Starter 
i heard from someone that it is compatible, after all the desktop counterpart uses the same chipset so i believe it should be compatible BUT i'm not sure and that is what's worrying me because i'm intending to purchase either the xps 2 or the 7700... well not just the processor upgrade compatibility per se, i'm also worried about graphic card upgradeability and etc.
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post #45 of 100
3/2/05 at 1:35am
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Originally Posted by TylerDurden
Well I think AW is aiming their gear more toward the person who wants to just get rid of his/her desktop entirely. I mean I'm considering possibly doing so; but probably won't. I would assume (no facts to back this up) that the enthusiast high end laptop owner mainly uses his/her laptop at home, but taking it to lans and occasionally out of town as well. I guess I'm basing that off of what I'll mainly use it for. The Dell (even though is in the high end gaming category) is still really more fit/geared to the person who does work on his laptop with some play. Just MO based on the features the XPS2 has to offer.

No doubt that the XPS2 is probably easier to take traveling then the 7700 is. Though I'm sure with only 1 HD and 1 optical you could shave some weight.
I actually move my 5500 around a lot. With 802.11g and high speed internet access I use my computer in my studio, the living room, and my deck when the weather is nice. I have a black aluminum case so it's easy to move except hauling around power supplies and mice, audio interfaces, etc. I take it with me a lot too, I record rhthym tracks for projects at a studio with a big main room, so I work there and transfer projects to the laptop, and do all of the overdub work in my home studio with the laptop or my desktop. Anyway, I move mine around a lot, so I would love less weight, and longer battery life. If I was using mine mostly for gaming, the XPS2 would be pretty ideal for an all around computer, I would sacrifice multiple hard drives and optical drives for the battery life and weight. For both gaming and audio work, the 7700 would be a better choice for me, mostly because you can have mutiple hard drives (non-RAID, you use one drive for the system and the other for only audio data) and an optical drive (or two).


Tom
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post #46 of 100
3/2/05 at 1:51am
The inspiron Xps2 is WAY better than the AW 7700, first off it's not a 12 pound brick and it's WAY faster and much Cheeper. why pay all that money for a laptop that is so Heavy? If you are looking for Bang for the buck the xps 2 wins hands down. stop trying to convince yourselves that it's not good. It's the best of the two for the time being
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post #47 of 100
3/2/05 at 2:04am
dsquare,

Welcome to the Alienware forums.

There is no need for you to come in here and flame AW products or to sing Dell's praises. We have been discussing the relative merits of both machines, and one of the participants in this discussion has a 7700 that is properly configured on order. He has stated he will run benchmarks when he gets it, which will give a much more accurate picture of which machine is faster.

By the way, your sig does not list the price for your laptop. How much did it cost you, and did you use coupons?
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post #48 of 100
3/2/05 at 2:07am
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Originally Posted by dsquare
The inspiron Xps2 is WAY better than the AW 7700, first off it's not a 12 pound brick and it's WAY faster and much Cheeper. why pay all that money for a laptop that is so Heavy? If you are looking for Bang for the buck the xps 2 wins hands down. stop trying to convince yourselves that it's not good. It's the best of the two for the time being
thanks for your opinion. you didn't have to sound like a big headed moron while sharing it though.
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post #49 of 100
3/2/05 at 2:11am
The 7700 is compatible with intel's new 6xx series chips. This means it is 64 bit capable unlike the XPS2. The question really is "do i want 64 bit?". If you think it's the future and will provide a great overall performance increase, as i do, then go with any Clevo d900t (7700). If you want an ultra now, go for the XPS2. In 6 months i can assure you a new card will be offered for upgrade that will at least match or exceed the current ultra

It wouldn't hurt some of you AW folk to check out the sager forum. There is a lot of information there for your 7700 (9860). No offense.
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post #50 of 100
3/2/05 at 2:22am
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Originally Posted by Brick
The 7700 is compatible with intel's new 6xx series chips. This means it is 64 bit capable unlike the XPS2. The question really is "do i want 64 bit?". If you think it's the future and will provide a great overall performance increase, as i do, then go with any Clevo d900t (7700). If you want an ultra now, go for the XPS2. In 6 months i can assure you a new card will be offered for upgrade that will at least match or exceed the current ultra

It wouldn't hurt some of you AW folk to check out the sager forum. There is a lot of information there for your 7700 (9860). No offense.
None taken. I just read the specs for the Clevo D900T. It seems to have some similarities, but the site does not explain everything. I also did a config similar to the 7700 config at PCTorque (who are classy guys, by the way). It came out about $100 different than the 7700.
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post #51 of 100
3/2/05 at 2:24am
The XPS Gen 2 3dMark05 is 5242

http://www.hothardware.com/viewartic...?articleid=648
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post #52 of 100
3/2/05 at 2:26am
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Originally Posted by dlinkin
Good. Now we know what to compare against.
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post #53 of 100
3/2/05 at 2:36am
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Originally Posted by dsquare
The inspiron Xps2 is WAY better than the AW 7700, first off it's not a 12 pound brick and it's WAY faster and much Cheeper. why pay all that money for a laptop that is so Heavy? If you are looking for Bang for the buck the xps 2 wins hands down. stop trying to convince yourselves that it's not good. It's the best of the two for the time being


Anyway. Once I get my 7700 I'll bench the piss out of it and see what we come up with. I'll take a bunch of pictures and I'll write up a non-bias review for us. AW or Dell... Honestly doesn't really matter what your running, as long as it does what you need it to do.

BTW is the Dell screen larger then the AW's?
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post #54 of 100
3/2/05 at 2:40am
Thread Starter 
there's the ultra extreme edition of the geforce 6800, wonder if the 7700 is gonna use that or... oh well... i've made up my mind to get the xps2... although i really really want to get the 7700... oh well... dell won me over by its impressive package.
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post #55 of 100
3/2/05 at 2:43am
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Originally Posted by TylerDurden


Anyway. Once I get my 7700 I'll bench the piss out of it and see what we come up with. I'll take a bunch of pictures and I'll write up a non-bias review for us. AW or Dell... Honestly doesn't really matter what your running, as long as it does what you need it to do.

BTW is the Dell screen larger then the AW's?
No Dells screen is not larger i believe theyre the same, but the 7700's screen is better(the upgraded clear view technology one) has better ratio, etc....u can do sum research on it like i did....
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post #56 of 100
3/2/05 at 2:57am
Let me enter here. I think Dell's XPS2 is awesome. However for those who want dual everything then I think they should get what they want and Alien Ware is some awesome stuff. As it stands my 8600 which could be squashed by all the machines being argued about here is what I use. Can't we all just get along??
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post #57 of 100
3/2/05 at 3:03am
TylerDurden

Some sagerites have benched their 9860 and with an X800 overclocked (i believe the same card your getting) and they have gotten in the high 4900's or so. Some with the new 6800 ddr3 (not ultra) have gotten over 5000 with overclock. Anyway you look at this, this is more than enought for any game now and for the next year. Alienware might be able to increase that by better AS5 application or better ram, and most likely increase that by about 4-5% with the new 6xx processor. I still think, however, that the ultra has the edge for now... but its really only a small one and probably not for long.
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post #58 of 100
3/2/05 at 3:04am
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Originally Posted by operaman
Let me enter here. I think Dell's XPS2 is awesome. However for those who want dual everything then I think they should get what they want and Alien Ware is some awesome stuff. As it stands my 8600 which could be squashed by all the machines being argued about here is what I use. Can't we all just get along??
i totally agree. xps2 are undeniably awesome, but the deciding factor for my going with the aw is the "dual everything" (raid 0). also my not being able to literally get my hands on an xp2 till march or april and dell's not offering upgradability turned me on to aw.
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post #59 of 100
3/2/05 at 3:21am
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Originally Posted by TylerDurden
If the Dell XPS2 could offer just a few more of the additional features that the 7700 has to offer then without a doubt I’d probably go with the Dell. Performance wise though I really don’t feel like the Dell is that much greater then the 7700. I don’t really trust benchmarks; especially from Tom’s.

There probably isn't a big performance difference with the specs you quoted. I chose the XPS2 myself because I like the longer battery life, less weight, less heat, looks and 6800 go ultra. I wouldn't be sad with either laptop though so pick whatever fits you best.

GSR: Dell does offer upgradeable graphics with the XPS2, they have a hybrid MXM design so most likely it will offer an ATi or nVidia upgrade in the future. The only catch is that Dell has to do the upgrade for you or walk you through it on the phone.
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post #60 of 100
3/2/05 at 3:44am
For all of you RAID 0 people thinking your getting better performance, read this article...
http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=2101
The only benefit of RAID in the 9860/7700/etc... is to get more drive space or RAID 1.

Technology is always advancing. Some manufacturers/suppliers might be 1st with a newer technology then another company might catch up. Then something newer comes along again.
If your going to compare machines or video cards then compare apples to apples... for example, saying that heavily overclocking a GPU to reach the same benchmarks as a default clocked card does not make sense... what happens to that comparison when you overclock the other GPU??

Hey... enjoy your machines... I'm sure I'll enjoy mine
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