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post #81 of 100
3/13/05 at 8:44pm
I just hope you don't get the twitchy chirping cpu fan disease my 7700 arrived with. Sager has put out a bios fix for the same problem but I believe it makes the fans spin all the time. AW didn't have a clue what I was talking about when I called for tech support so I honestly wish I had gone with the XPS2 at this point. The 7700 is fast but it has issues. You might want to get a cooling pad!
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post #82 of 100
3/14/05 at 6:22pm
I don't see how this is bad news for Alienware users, it's not like the 7700s are going to stop working when the XPS2 starts shipping. And the 7700 probably benches higher than the XPS2 in gaming due to the P4 over the P-M
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post #83 of 100
3/14/05 at 6:33pm
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Originally Posted by MichaelX30
I don't see how this is bad news for Alienware users, it's not like the 7700s are going to stop working when the XPS2 starts shipping. And the 7700 probably benches higher than the XPS2 in gaming due to the P4 over the P-M
You would think so, but...
http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_cont...11&cookie%5Fte
http://www.tomshardware.com/mobile/20050224/index.html
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2356
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1769520,00.asp
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post #84 of 100
3/14/05 at 8:16pm
Yeah the XPS Gen 2 actually fairs really well. It will be interesting though to see how well once the Area51-M 7700 is outfited with an ULTRA card. I think the AW model will beat the DELL. So all in all if I had purchased a notebook I would still go AW for upgradability
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post #85 of 100
3/14/05 at 8:35pm

The world's first "true" mobile desktop?????

Don't mind the comparison but this seems a little desperate or deceptive to me or am I missing something??

see link
ALIENWARE vs. Dell
System Comparisons

Quote:
"the new Alienware system has no rival"


---------------------------------------7700---------XPS Gen2
*256MB PCI-Express x16 Graphics..........Yes................No???
*PC-4200 Dual-Channel DDR2 Memory ....Yes................No???


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Graphics
256MB NVIDIA® GeForceTM Go 6800 ULTRA
with PCI Express x16 interface
What is it that the XPS is not having that Alienware has?

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Memory
512 MB of 533MHz DDR2 Dual Channel SDRAM standard,
upgradeable to 2 GB maximum
2 SoDIMM sockets, both are user-accessible
If it is 533MHz isn't it the 4200 series??
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post #86 of 100
3/14/05 at 10:06pm
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Originally Posted by jed591
Don't mind the comparison but this seems a little desperate or deceptive to me or am I missing something??

see link
ALIENWARE vs. Dell
System Comparisons



---------------------------------------7700---------XPS Gen2
*256MB PCI-Express x16 Graphics..........Yes................No???
*PC-4200 Dual-Channel DDR2 Memory ....Yes................No???




What is it that the XPS is not having that Alienware has?



If it is 533MHz isn't it the 4200 series??

I also like how they put the FSB on their for comparison purposes, I also notice how they just put "yes" next to the USB ports, not listing that the XPS 2 has 6 and the 7700 has 4, they listed that the 7700 has 2 firewire ports and the XPS2 ha 1 firewire port. I also like how they just put "yes" next to 17" widescreen display and didnt bother putting Dells max resolution, 1920x1200, and the 7700s max resolution, 1680x1050. Nice try alienware, but please be truthful
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post #87 of 100
3/14/05 at 10:22pm
the dell doesn't have pci express 16x?
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post #88 of 100
3/14/05 at 10:48pm
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Originally Posted by zeal
the dell doesn't have pci express 16x?
It does, otherwise it couldn't use the 6800go Ultra!
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post #89 of 100
3/14/05 at 11:02pm
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Originally Posted by [AE] Drifter
You would think so, but...
Drifter are these specs the same 7700 you all are talking about?

Alienware Area-51M 7700

Half Life 2 1024x768 High Quality 4xAA 8xAF
61
Half Life 2 1440x900 High Quality 4xAA 8x AF
49
Doom 3 1024x768 High Quality
67
Doom 3 1440x900 Medium Quality
49
3DMark2005 1024x768
2787
3DMark2005 1440x900
2229
3DMark2003 1024x768
7271
3DMark2003 1440x900
5497
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post #90 of 100
3/14/05 at 11:19pm
Ew Dell.
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post #91 of 100
3/14/05 at 11:22pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by jed591
Don't mind the comparison but this seems a little desperate or deceptive to me or am I missing something??

see link
ALIENWARE vs. Dell
System Comparisons



---------------------------------------7700---------XPS Gen2
*256MB PCI-Express x16 Graphics..........Yes................No???
*PC-4200 Dual-Channel DDR2 Memory ....Yes................No???




What is it that the XPS is not having that Alienware has?



If it is 533MHz isn't it the 4200 series??
I like they way they make the P4 seem likes it's a huge plus and then have to itemize the HT part separately. Same thing with inflating the dual hd option into 3 separate categories. Then they conveniently leave out a few important stats like noise, battery life, heat generated, weight and the fact that the XPS 2's single video card option is probably faster than the two the 7700 offers combined. Pathetic....and desparate.
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post #92 of 100
3/15/05 at 1:51am
On the list it states that the dell doesn't have pci-e x16. What's with that?
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post #93 of 100
3/15/05 at 5:09am
lol the comparison is down now.. the page is there but has no comparo.. hmm.
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post #94 of 100
3/15/05 at 2:39pm
I know we been giving AW some crap about their 7700. I wonder however, how we will react to the 7700 when it has the Ultra available. I know, I know. They are slow getting it out, hopefully they want to make things right. I'd be interested to see a DELL vs AW once the Ultra is on both machines. That should give you a better idea who is #1. Right now it's not real fair, imo DELL is faster because of the GPU
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post #95 of 100
3/15/05 at 2:42pm
I can see the "comparison" up.

I think the fsb comparison is fair. Not so much in terms of the CPU, but if/when AW gets a comparable GPU, the 800MHz should give it an edge.

The USB/firewire sophestry is shameful, however. I'm willing to believe that some of the other obviously incorrect stuff (pci-express, memory...) is due to marketing's ignorance of their product.

As for the rubberized grips, yeah they're pretty sharp on the AW. A friend of mine has one, and they feel really nice. Thing is, the XPS1 quicksnap covers (at least the Skullz) are also rubberized. They're not the hard plastic shells that the other snapcovers are. I got one for my 9100, not so much for the look, but for the feel.
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post #96 of 100
3/15/05 at 2:57pm
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Originally Posted by Luke@PCTorque
Clevo has already confirmed the 6800 ultra will be offered with the D900t, they just have yet to announce an ETA for shipping. As soon as we get an ETA I am sure you will see an announcment up.
The plot thickens...
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post #97 of 100
3/15/05 at 8:54pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by IntgrSpin
The USB/firewire sophestry is shameful, however. I'm willing to believe that some of the other obviously incorrect stuff (pci-express, memory...) is due to marketing's ignorance of their product.


IntgrSpin,

Just yesterday was introduced and saw for the first time the infamous "comparison" page by a co-worker. At first glance I was taken aback as the one who showed it to me expounded about how the "proof" is right there as to how much better the 7700 is over the XPS2.

If unaware of the misrepresentation any uninformed prospective buyer could easily be persuaded that the 7700 was the only way to go between the two choices!!

I wouldn't be so naive as to say that it is "marketing's ignorance of their product". This is as slick and deceptive as it gets. Desperate people do desperate things and this rat has been backed into a corner and is showing its' true colors.

Don't know exactly how long this gem of marketing mischief has been on their website but seeing from other posters, it has been there at least from 02-28-2005 by sonicwind's counterpost, thats two weeks!! Nobody at alienware has caught it yet?? Come on, give me a break.


"The world's first "true" mobile desktop"
"There's a sucker born every minute"

jed
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post #98 of 100
3/15/05 at 9:26pm
You're probably right. I'm just trying to extend benefit of the doubt.

Every day it's up looks worse and worse for AW.

This (if intentional) goes beyond "business is business", and "caveat emptor". This is a company I wouldn't trust to honor things like warranties.
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post #99 of 100
3/15/05 at 9:36pm
I'd like to point out that these tactics are largely unnecessary. I didn't buy my Mustang because it was the fastest car on the road. I just liked the look and feel of it. Similarly, I almost bought an AW several times, not because it was the fastest, but because I like the look. I'm now finding myself turned off.

call me shallow...
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post #100 of 100
3/15/05 at 9:57pm
Now if AW made the 7700 with the new mobile AMD, and the 6800U they would have competition witht the XPS 2. I like the 7700 but the XPS 2 is much more user friendly in terms of weight and Batterylife, both of those you'd expect with purchasing a laptop. I used the XPS gen 1 with a 9800 pro, and 3.4ghz EE chip, badass laptop, but sucked because it wasn't really mobile (needs to see the charger alot).

A laptop with a battery life of over 2hrs while keeping up with my X800XT PE is utter genius.
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