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Turion64 Notebooks:

ACER

Aspire 5000
Mobile AMD Sempron processor 2600+ to 3000+ or higher with 128 or 256 KB of L2 cache.
15.0" XGA or 15.4" WXGA
256/512 MB of DDR333
40/60/80 GB HDD
DVD-Dual double layer or DVD/CD-RW combo
14.3 x 11 x 1.3/1.5 inches
2.76 kg (6.08 lbs.) for 15" XGA LCD model, 2.80kg(6.17 lbs.) for 15.4" WXGA LCD model

Aspire 5020
AMD Turion 64 ML-28/ML-30/ML-34/ML-37 processor or higher
15.0" XGA or 15.4" WXGA
256/512 MB of DDR333
40/60/80/100 GB HDD
DVD-Dual double layer or DVD/CD-RW combo
14.3 x 10.9 x 0.9/1.3 inches
3.03 kg (6.67 lbs.) for 15" LCD model, 3.07 kg (6.75 lbs.) for 15.4" LCD model

Aspire 5030
AMD Turion 64 ML-28/ML-30/ML-34/ML-37 processor or higher
14.1" WXGA
256 or 512 MB of DDR2 333
40/60/80/100 GB HDD
8X DVD-Dual double layer or 24X DVD/CD-RW combo
13.2 x 9.45 x 1.26/1.34 inches
2.38kg (5.25 lbs.)

TravelMate 4400
AMD Turion 64 Mobile featuring: ML-28, ML-30, ML-32, ML-34, ML-37, ML-40
15.0" XGA
256/512 MB DDR
40/60/80/100 GB HDD
DVD/CD-RW combo or DVD-DUAL drive
13.24 x 11.20 x 1.26/1.36 inches
2.84 kg (6.26 lbs.) with DVD/CD-RW combo drive

Ferrari 4000
AMD Turion 64 ML-37 or ML-30
15.4" WXGA or 15.4" WSXGA+
512MB/1GB DDR
80/100GB
Slot-load DVD-Super Multi double-layer
363 (W) x 267.5 (D) x30.5/34.3 (H) mm
2.86kg (6.3Ibs.)

ASUS

A6K
AMD Turion 64, 35W ML-30/34/37/40 or 25W MT-30/34 or AMD Sempron, 25W 2600+/2800+/ 3000+/3100 +
15.1" SXGA+ or 15.4" WXGA/WXGA+
NVIDIA GeForce 6200 with TurboCache supporting 128MB
DDR333 SDRAM, 2x SO-DIMM socket expandable to 2GB
40/60/80GB; support 4200 RPM or 60/80GB; support 5400 RPM
DVD/Combo or DVD/Dual
354 x 284 x 35.2 mm (W x D x H)
2.65Kg --2.85 Kg (15" -15.4")

A6Km
AMD Turion 64, 35W ML-30/34/37/40 or 25W MT-30/34 or AMD Sempron, 25W 2600+/2800+/3000+/3100+
15.1" SXGA+ or 15.4" WXGA/WXGA+
NVIDIA GeForce 7300 with TurboCache supporting 128MB/256MB
DDR333 SDRAM, 2x SO-DIMM socket expandable to 2GB
40/60/80GB; support 4200 RPM or 60/80GB; support 5400 RPM
DVD/Dual
354 x 284 x 35.2 mm (W x D x H)
2.65Kg --2.85 Kg (15" -15.4")

Asus A7Dc
AMD Sempron, 25W 2600+/2800+/3000+/3100+/3300+ or AMD Turion 64 35W ML-30/34/37/40; 25W MT-30/34
17.1" WXGA+
ATI Mobility Radeon X700 128MB GDDR3
Up to 2GB, DDR 333MHz
40/60/80/100 GB HDD
Internal DVD+/-R/RW DVD-Dual Double Layer
405 x 314 x 38.2 mm (W x D x H)
4.1 Kg (8 cell battery pack)

AVERATEC

AV2150-EH1
AMD Turion 64 MT-28
12.1" WXGA
ATI Radeon Xpress 200M
512MB DDR
80 GB HDD
DL DVD Burner
11.9" x 8.86" x 1.24"
4.4lbs.

AV2155-EH1
AMD Turion 64 MT-30
12.1" WXGA
ATI Radeon Xpress 200M
512MB DDR
80 GB HDD
DL DVD Burner
11.9" x 8.86" x 1.24"
4.4lbs.

AV4155-EH1
AMD Turion 64 MT-30
13.3" WXGA
512MB DDR
80 GB HDD
Multi-Format DVD +/- Burner
12.44"Wx8.82"Dx1.26-1.35"H
4.2 lbs.

COMPAQ

V2000Z
AMD Sempron 2800+/3000+/3300+ or AMD Turion 64 ML-28/ML-30/ML-32/ML-37
14.0 WXGA
ATI RADEON XPRESS 200M
Up to 2GB DDR
40/60/80/100 GB HDD
DVD or DVD/Combo or DVD/Dual
13.15" (L) x 9.1" (W) x 1.29" (min H)/1.53" (max H)
5.38 lbs

M2000Z
AMD Sempron 2800+/3000+/3300+ or AMD Turion 64 ML-28/ML-30/ML-32
15.0" XGA
ATI RADEON XPRESS 200M
Up to 1 GB DDR
40/60/80 GB HDD
DVD or DVD/Combo or DVD/Dual
13.15"(W) x 10.80"(L) x1.41"(min)/1.78"(max)(H)
6.55 lbs

ECS

536
AMD Sempron 2600+/2800+/3000+/3100+ or AMD Althron 64 2700+/2800+/3000+ or AMD Turion 64 MT28/30/32/34/37 ML28/30/32/34/37/40
14.1" XGA or 15" XGA
VIA K8N800 with embedded 3D engine
Up to 2 GB DDR
DVD or DVD/Combo or DVD/Dual
326.0(W) x 285.0(D) x 25.3(H)mm/32.0mm (front/back)
2.6 kg with 14.1" panel


Fujitsu AMILO A7645 (Uniwill)
AMD Turion MT-30 (1.6GHz, 1mb L2 cache, 25W)
15.4" Widescreen
ATI Mobility Radeon X700
SiS SiSM760+963L

Gericom
AMD Turion64 ML32
15" SXGA+ TFT (1400x1050)
ATI Radeon X600 128MB
1024 MB DDR400 RAM
100GB Fujitsu HDD
8x DL Multinorm DVD-RW

HP L2000 (LIVESTRONG)
AMD Turion 64
14.0" WXGA
ATI RADEON XPRESS 200M
5.5 lbs
?

MSI S270
MT-28~MT-37, ML-28~ML-40
12.1" TFT WXGA
ATi RS480 (Integrated Graphics)
ATi RS480M + ATi SB400
256MB / 512MB (Max: 2GB)
40GB/60GB/80GB
DVD Dual/ DVD Dual Layer
1.9Kg

MSI M635
AMD Turion64
15.4-inch WXGA
x700
ATI RS480M
?

Targa Companion 826
ML-37, ML-34, ML-32, ML-30 - 35W
15.4"WXGA
ATI Mobility Radeon X700
?

Twinhead E12KT
?

Tulip E-Go
AMD Turion 64 Processor MT
12.1" WXGA
ATI Radeon Xpress 200
1024Mb So-Dimm DDR PC3200 DDR
DVD RW
100 GB (SATA)

Yakumo Notebook Q8M Turion64 YW (aka Mitac Minote 8889)
ML-30 (1.60 GHz, 1 MB L2 Cache)
15" TFT XGA
Unichrome Pro integrated, 64 MB
VIA K8N800 +VT8235CE
512 MB DDR RAM
DVD/RW Dual Double Layer
Approx. 2.6 kg




Summary:

Taken from http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...oc.aspx?i=2374

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AMD Unveils Turion 64 Mobile Technology: A Rebranded Mobile Athlon 64
March 10th, 2005
Anand Lal Shimpi

Intel’s Centrino brand has developed extremely well since its introduction less than two years ago. You could go as far as to say that Centrino has been Intel’s quickest zero-to-success brand that we’ve ever seen in the history of the company. A very large part of the success is due to the strong technology behind Centrino.

AMD doesn’t have the resources of Intel, that’s plain and simple. They have done an excellent job with their K8 architecture, but for AMD to devote additional resources to developing another architecture, strictly mobile oriented, it’s just not possible at this time. At the same time, AMD’s Athlon 64 is far more suited for mobile environments than Intel’s Pentium 4 ever was, so the need for a mobile specific architecture isn’t as great for AMD as it was for Intel. So when AMD announced their Turion 64 “Mobile Technology” we had a feeling it would be something very similar to their desktop Athlon 64s, today AMD confirmed that.

Much like Intel’s Centrino, AMD is referring to their Turion 64 as a “Mobile Technology” and not just a microprocessor platform. AMD has seen the success of Intel’s Centrino Mobile Technology and is hoping to capitalize on some of that success. Unlike Centrino however, Turion 64 doesn’t rely on AMD-supplied chips to receive the branding. AMD will provide the Turion 64 processors, but chipsets can be provided by a number of vendors as can the LAN and wireless controllers. AMD is far less restricting on the components that make up Turion 64 enabled notebooks, which means that they will inevitably be cheaper than Centrino platforms, but it also means that they may not be as power efficient as Centrino platforms - it’s a tradeoff that AMD honestly had to make, as they are far from being in Intel’s position.

The Turion 64 processor is basically a 90nm mobile Athlon 64, so all of the architectural features of the Athlon 64 make their way to the Turion 64. One advantage that the Turion 64 has is that with an on-die memory controller, AMD can potentially offer lower memory controller power consumption than Intel.

The Turion 64 is based on the latest revision E4 of the K8 core, meaning that it supports SSE3 instructions as well as lower power states. The Turion 64 line also supports AMD’s PowerNow technology (known as Cool’N’Quiet on the desktop), which allows for clock speed (and voltage) modulation between 1.0GHz and the processor’s maximum frequency based on load.

The Turion 64 will be available in both 1MB L2 and 512KB L2 cache models, but both models will only support a 64-bit (single channel) DDR400 memory controller. The first Turion 64s will be available in speeds ranging from 1.6GHz up to 2.0GHz.

With the Turion 64 AMD is introducing a new model numbering system to help differentiate various Turion CPUs from one another (and to separate the Turion 64 line from the Athlon 64 line):

As the chart above shows, currently AMD has two Turion lines - a 35W TDP and a 25W TDP line (note that Intel’s Pentium M 755 has a 22W TDP but they are measured differently from AMD). The second letter in the model number indicates the level of power consumption of the processor, with “higher” letters denoting lower power consumption (e.g. MT-34 has lower power consumption than the ML-34). AMD is clearly doing a bit of chip binning, with chips capable of running at lower voltages (and thus lower power) being set aside for the Turion 64 line. This isn’t much of a surprise as they do a similar thing on the server side to create their low power Opteron HE and EE chips (50W and 30W respectively).

The two digits, as usual, indicate clock speed/cache size and other performance impacting features.

Performance, Availability and Final Words

Despite the fact that the Turion 64 line was just announced, it turns out that we actually did a Pentium M vs. Turion 64 performance comparison about a year ago. When Intel launched the Dothan Pentium M core, we compared it to the Socket-745 Athlon 64 2800+ (1.8GHz) - which is very similar to the Turion 64 ML-32 (1.8GHz/512KB). While the performance comparison isn't identical to a Turion 64 notebook, it should give you an idea of how competitive the Turion 64 will be performance-wise, with the Pentium M.

As you can see, AMD should have no problem remaining performance competitive with the Pentium M, but there are obviously many other factors that aren't depicted in the article mentioned above. Mainly we have no idea how the Turion 64 will fare in a power consumption comparison, or how competitive it is from a form factor standpoint. AMD has been aiming at the thin-and-light market from the start with Turion 64, but there's no guarantee that the Turion 64 can get into as thin and as light notebooks as Centrino. AMD has always been one step behind Intel when it came to chip packaging, which carries a lot of weight in form factor discussions.

AMD lists Turion 64 chip availability as immediately with the following price structure:

"AMD Turion 64 mobile technology models ML-37, ML-34, ML-32, ML-30, MT-34, MT-32, and MT-30 are priced at $354, $263, $220, $184, $268, $225 and $189 respectively, in 1,000-unit quantities."

Acer and Fujitsu will have Turion 64 notebooks available by the end of the month. AMD also announced that: "ASUS, Averatec, BenQ, MSI and Packard Bell are among the leading, global computer manufacturers who have indicated they will support AMD Turion 64 mobile technology." So it sounds like we will see a few others with Turion 64 platforms, but still a few short of a complete list of partners.

With the Turion 64, AMD is doing more of a marketing repackaging of their Athlon 64 than anything else. While it's going to be tough to best Intel's Centrino in overall packaging, the Turion 64 may just be close enough for AMD to be happy. It all boils down to implementation, and it'll be tough for Turion to break into the more exotic Centrino markets but it shouldn't have a problem competing in the more mainstream priced Centrino notebooks.



Related Hardware and Software:

XP Goes to 64 Bits
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/...73,pg,2,00.asp

ATI rolls out new notebook chipset
http://news.com.com/ATI+rolls+out+ne...3-5581054.html

ATI Radeon Xpress 200M mobile GPU for AMD-based laptops
http://www.biosmagazine.co.uk/article.php?id=1470

RADEON® XPRESS™ 200M drives a new class of integrated graphics and power management for PCI Express-based AMD mobile platforms
http://apps.ati.com/ir/PressReleaseT...leaseID=676098
http://ati.com/products/radeonxpress200m/index.html

ATI focuses new line of mobile graphics solutions on end-users
http://www.vnunet.com/news/1161577

VIA Announces K8N800A Chipset for High-Performance, Thin & Light Notebooks Powered by AMD Turion™ 64 Mobile Technology
http://www.via.com.tw/en/resources/p...25_k8n800a.jsp

AMD holds off on DDR-2 support
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=20749

SiS launches M760, M761GX and M770 chipsets for AMD Turion 64
http://www.dvhardware.net/article4378.html
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Very Nice!
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a well deserved bump..
how about them stickies
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lol why are their notebook pictures so crappy? doesn't seem too appealing to the buyer. Anyway, what's the ATi embedded RS480M for video card of the first model?
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The ATI RS480M is really the Radeon Xpress 200M chipset, there are links about it above...

I think the pictures are so crappy because the notebooks are still in development, kind of similar to how car companies tape plastic over their project cars...
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This one is NOT a Turion notebook, but rather a regular AMD64...

http://www.arima.com.tw/ViewProduct.asp?View=137
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Originally Posted by a_d_y_a
a well deserved bump..
how about them stickies
I'll add it to the FAQ sticky as a link in the consolidated discussion section.
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Originally Posted by smilepak
I'll add it to the FAQ sticky as a link in the consolidated discussion section.
Thanks smilepak, sorry to steal your thunder in making a consolidation thread, just thought it needed to be done, and that you might be a little busy with everything else


http://sanfrancisco.dbusinessnews.co...pe_news=latest
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A Photo of AMD Taking to the Skies Over San Francisco with AMD Turion 64 Mobile Technology is Available On Business Wire's Web Site and AP PhotoExpress

San Francisco - SAN FRANSISCO -- AMD takes to the skies over San Francisco with AMD Turion(TM) 64 mobile technology, the forthcoming notebook PC processor solution that is made for mobility.

AMD Turion 64 mobile technology is uniquely designed to bring award-winning AMD64 performance to thinner and lighter notebook PCs with longer battery life, enhanced security, and compatibility with the latest graphics and wireless solutions, both today and tomorrow.

AMD (NYSE:AMD) designs and produces innovative microprocessors, Flash memory devices and low-power processor solutions for the computer, communications and consumer electronics industries. AMD is dedicated to delivering standards-based, customer-focused solutions for technology users, ranging from enterprises and governments to individual consumers. For more information visit www.amd.com.


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Great thread, lots of good info here. Check the AMD readies Centrino killer thread for some interesting roadmaps, and feel free to post them in this thread too.
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http://www.digitimes.com/bits_chips/a20050304A4015.html
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Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) has been touting its forthcoming Turion 64 processor for notebooks on the sidelines of the Intel Developer Forum (IDF), held in San Francisco from March 1-3, pledging that the new CPU will be available by mid-year.

Although Intel has continued to promote its strategy to sell its new CPUs, core logic and wireless chipsets as packaged platform solutions, sources at AMD said that the company will launch the Turion 64 independently but will promote the CPU in cooperation with other chipmakers, including ATI Technologies, Nvidia, VIA Technologies and Silicon Integrated Systems (SiS).

The recently launched Radeon Xpress 200M IGP (integrated graphics processor) from ATI and the K8N800A IGP from VIA are both compatible with AMD’s upcoming Turion 64 mobile technology, the sources noted.

In addition, AMD will also provide validation and compatibility-testing services for core-logic and wireless chipset designs optimized for Turion 64 technology, the sources added.
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Thanks smilepak, sorry to steal your thunder in making a consolidation thread, just thought it needed to be done, and that you might be a little busy with everything else
No problem. THe more people post, the less I have to find data and spend more time reading ehehe
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Acer Aspire Turion Notebooks!

http://www6.tomshardware.com/busines...t_2005-13.html

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For the Aspire Notebooks, two new Thin & Light Mobile AMD Sempron series are being presented, namely the Aspire 3000 as a start-up series, and the Aspire 3020 with ATI Mobility Radeon X600 PCI Express Graphics featuring up to 128 MB video memory. In addition, Acer will announce two series in the Thin & Light form factor, which are based on AMD Turion processors: the Aspire 5000 Series for beginners, and the Aspire 5020 Series for more advanced users. The latter unit features an Acer CrystalBrite WXGA display, ATI Mobility Radeon X700 PCI Express graphics, DVD dual double layer disk drive and 6-in-1 card reader.
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Also new Acer Travelmate 5300 series from your link:
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The Acer TravelMate 5300 series with Acer EasyDock connection is equipped with the latest AMD Turion processors.
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Picture and a few preview benchmarks of the AMD Turion 64 ML-30 here:
http://www.coolaler.com/ipb/index.php?showtopic=42810



More details and a new roadmap here:
http://www.x86-secret.com/index.php?...=newsd&nid=848



X86-Secret claims that the AMD Turion 64 probably will be launched at CeBIT (March 10-16 March in Hannover, Germany). That's earlier than what we've heard about earlier (April 18).
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Some more details on the Arima M622-DK8X

http://www.amdboard.com/arima_m622-dk8x.html

CPU - AMD Turion 64 ML28 ~ ML32 (1MB/512KB L2)/AMD Sempron 2600+ ~ 3100+ (256KB/128KB L2)
Packaging - UPGA (754)
Thermal - 27W
FSB - 1.6GT/s
Chipset - ATI RX480+SB400
LCD Panel - 15.0” XGA / SXGA+ / UXGA
Base Memory - TWO DDR SO-DIMM Slot for 256MB/512MB/1GB Support DDR 333/400MHz Max. Memory up to 2GB
VGA - ATI MOBILITY RADEON X300 (CSP32/64MB)/ATI MOBILITY RADEON X600 (CSP64/128MB)
Optical Drive - DVD-ROM / Combo / DVD-Dual
HDD - 40GB / 60GB / 80GB 2.5” 9.5mm Height
PC Card - Type II x 1
Media Card 1 slot, ( Support SD, SD-IO, MMC, MS, MS-Pro )
Fax / Modem - One RJ-11 Telephone Jack
Lan - One RJ-45 port for Ethernet
WLAN - One Mini PCI Type III B Slot support 802.11 b, 802.11 b/g, 802.11 a/b/g
TV Out - N/A
USB 2.0 x 3
IEEE 1394 4 pin port x 1
Audio Jack - Microphone in, Headphone out
VGA Out - One DB 15-pin VGA Port
AC Adapter - 65W
Dimension - 328mm x 268mm x 19.4mm ~ 27.4mm ~ 31.8mm
Weight - 2.55 kg ( 5.61 lbs )
Battery Life - Target 4.5hrs
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As of 12:01AM EST Turion is available!

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/V...~95256,00.html
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