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post #41 of 334
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Acer and Asus showing Turion notebooks at CeBIT!!!

Argh! I need to find some pictures!!!

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,119969,00.asp

Quote:
Notebooks Offer a Sneak Peek at AMD's Chips
Mobile 64-bit Turion processors won't be available until next month, but products are being shown at CeBIT.
Tom Krazit, IDG News Service
Thursday, March 10, 2005

HANOVER, GERMANY -- Advanced Micro Devices' new Turion mobile processors haven't been formally released yet, but notebooks that use them are already on display on the show floor at CeBIT, including a few with Turion processors not yet announced by AMD.

Acer is displaying two Turion-based notebooks in one of the 27 exhibition halls on the fairgrounds of Hanover, Germany. Both Aspire notebooks feature the ML-40 version of the Turion processor, which runs at 2.2 GHz and features 1MB of Level 2 cache, according to BIOS information displayed during the startup procedure of the notebook.

The most powerful Turion chip that AMD announced this week was the ML-37. A clock speed or cache amount was not provided for that chip.

Aiming at Intel
Turion is AMD's most ambitious attempt yet at cracking Intel's runaway lead in the market for notebook processors. AMD's Athlon 64, Sempron, and Athlon XP chips can be found in several notebooks from a variety of manufacturers, but Intel's Centrino package--consisting of the Pentium M processor, a mobile chip set, and a wireless chip--has been a massive hit for the world's largest chip maker.

AMD lowered the power consumption of its mobile processors with Turion, which comes in 25-watt or 35-watt varieties, according to an Acer spokesperson. The power consumption number refers to the maximum amount of power the chip will require at a given time, a worst-case scenario figure given to notebook makers so they can design their systems to withstand that amount of heat. AMD's older mobile chips were generally used in heavier notebooks that didn't require the same heat protection demanded by notebooks weighing 5 pounds or less.

Turion chips fall into one of two categories, the ML and MT families. Under its naming system, the closer the second letter is to the end of the alphabet, the less power the chip consumes. The numbers refer to the relative performance of the chip within a given category.

Benchmark results and technical reviews are not available yet, but the Acer Turion systems are expected to outperform similarly configured Pentium M systems, and cost less, the Acer spokesperson says.

Also on Display
Contract manufacturer Asustek Computer was also showing a Turion notebook on the CeBIT show floor. Its model was based on the 25-watt version of the processor, but a model number or clock speed could not be immediately determined from the system information, which was written in Chinese. The chip did come with 1MB of Level 2 cache, according to Asustek's display.

Turion chips and systems are not expected to become widely available until the end of April. AMD representatives were not immediately available to confirm plans for the ML-40.
post #42 of 334
Why does Acer have an ML40 when all the other places/reviews/previews don't mention it? Or did I miss something?

Tellerve

p.s. yes pictures please
post #43 of 334
Here are your pictures!!
Acer
CeBIT 2005 Day 1
http://www.trustedreview.com/article.aspx?art=1144
post #44 of 334
http://www.acer.de/acereuro/page29.d...crc=1601842116

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Acer presents the new Aspire 5020 series: Pure AMD Turion™ 64 Mobile Technology power


March 10th, 2005Acer



Acer, the leading manufacturer in the notebook sector for EMEA – Europe, Middle East and Africa (source: IDC EMEA Full Year 2004), presents today the new Acer Aspire 5020 notebook series designed for SoHo business professionals and private users alike, looking for an elegant and powerful multimedia notebook based on the latest 64-bit mobile technology and supported by excellent graphics, easy connectivity in any environment and great battery life.

Offering a perfect balance between performance, weight, long battery life, enhanced security, and compatibility with the latest graphics and wireless solutions, the Acer Aspire 5020 models are based on the innovative AMD Turion™ 64 Mobile Technology supporting AMD PowerNow!™ technology for extended system battery life and HyperTransport™ technology to ensure the world’s fastest communication between components, offering unprecedented speed and split second reaction to the user’s demands.

In addition to the excellent performance guaranteed by the AMD Turion™ 64 Mobile Technology, the Aspire 5020 series also features the new ATI Mobility RADEON® XPRESS 200 system chipset, a bright 15.4” (WXGA res. 1280 x 800) Widescreen TFT display with Acer CrystalBrite technology, managed by the powerful ATI® MOBILITY™ RADEON™ X600 or X700 graphics card with 64/128MB external DDR VRAM memory and support of Microsoft® DirectX® 9.0 and ATI Powerplay™ 5.0.

The Aspire 5020 not only supports business multimedia applications, but also provides high quality home entertainment experience. Thanks to its Video-CD and DVD-burner capabilities, combined with S-Video/TV-out (NTSC/PAL) and Firewire 1394 connections, films can be enjoyed in high-quality directly on compatible TV sets, and large DVD stored files can be transfered or recorded in no time.

Connectivity coulnd’t be easier for the new Aspire 5020 series that provides seamless connection in the home environment via the integrated 56K ITU V.92 data/fax software modem, fast wired LAN connection in the office at 10/100/1000Mbps via the integrated Wake-on-LAN Gigabit network card and wireless connection in environments with access points or “Hot Spots” via the integrated mini-PCI IEEE 802.11b/g card supporting Acer SignalUp wireless technology.

The Acer Aspire 5020, with base system memory of 512MB DDR333, scalable to 2048MB, and an ATA/100 HDD up to 80GB, is also equipped with a DVD-Dual double layer burner built-in optical drive and a 6-in-1 card reader supporting Secure Digital (SD), MultiMediaCard (MMC), Smart Media(SM), xD, Memory Stick and Memory Stick Pro. The powerful 60W Li-ion battery pack guarantees up to 3 hours battery life when being on the move.

The Acer Aspire 5020 notebooks are supplied with Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition preinstalled, while the exclusive Acer Arcade suite allows easy and comfortable management of all multimedia functions linked to the reproduction of audio content, CD / DVD burning and film editing. This suite also includes the exclusive Aspire CinemaVision™ video technology for an optimum reproduction of 16:9 video format without distortion, and Aspire ClearVision™ to dynamically enhance contrast and increase definition of even the smallest detail.

The Acer Aspire 5020 notebooks also feature a range of additional software including Acer GridVista, which enables full use of the widescreen format and “splits” the screen into compartments, the sophisticated Norton AntiVirus®, which can be updated directly over the Internet, Acer Launch Manager, Acer System Recovery CD, Acer eManager, OneButton Recovery, Adobe® Reader® and NTI CD-Maker™.

The Acer Aspire 5020 comes with a standard 1 year International warranty which can be extended to 3 years cover with the AcerAdvantage service which also covers accidental damage to the notebook.
post #45 of 334
looks like a sold computer. i think i might get one.
post #46 of 334

Of Course!

This unit looks really nice... BUT of course it is only DDR 333Mhz!

Does anyone know if this will even be released in the U.S? If I end up settling for DDR instead of DDR2, I might as well go with the Toshiba Tecra A4 with 15.4" TruBrite, Geforce 6600 128MB and 2.0 Ghz P-M Sonoma, as I can get it now.

Guess I'll be waiting a little longer for what I want...
post #47 of 334
Heh we all set a high bar for the notebook producers... but AMD is pulling out an awesome machine-set base so I'm sure that within Q3 we should all see awesome laptops on the market that meet up to the demands of us most-particular consumers, ideally HL2 playing ability with at least decent settings, 4 hour battery life, and slim case. Isn't that what we all want in the end? Well, we'd want it for 500 bucks, but I'd take it for $2500.
post #48 of 334
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Originally Posted by HKINGS
This unit looks really nice... BUT of course it is only DDR 333Mhz!

Does anyone know if this will even be released in the U.S? If I end up settling for DDR instead of DDR2, I might as well go with the Toshiba Tecra A4 with 15.4" TruBrite, Geforce 6600 128MB and 2.0 Ghz P-M Sonoma, as I can get it now.

Guess I'll be waiting a little longer for what I want...
It comes is 512MB of DDR333. It is be able to handle DDR400. You can upgrad the memory if you desire.
post #49 of 334
I'd hold out until an AMD chipset has DDR2 compatibility.
post #50 of 334

Really?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rustican
It comes is 512MB of DDR333. It is be able to handle DDR400. You can upgrad the memory if you desire.

Is that true? If so, then I'm still on board

However I've been reading that DDR 333 is physically different than DDR2 400 and DDR2 533, which would mean that it isn't upgradeable to DDR2 if the unit is coming with the standard DDR 333Mhz memory already.

Any other insight on this?
post #51 of 334
Thread Starter 
It's been said that AMD might skip support for DDR2, and just go straight from DDR to DDR3, so the current Turion notebook specs we've seen (the Arima's) suggest this as well...
post #52 of 334
If you are wanting an AMD CPU and DDR2 you have a long wait ahead. AMD doesnt plan DD2 anytime soon. Cuz remember DDR2 support has to be built into the CPU itself not just a outside controller. Plus the advantages of DDR2 play against the A64 anyway. A64's need low latency memory which DDR2 is not. So by all mean wait.
post #53 of 334
yeah, its not a chipset thats required for DDR2, its a new CHIP!! AMD64's have integrated memmory controllers on the chip, not on the chipsets like before...so now memmory speed upgrades literally require a new chip to do so....the advantage of this is the insane speed that runs between the memmory conroller and the rest of the chip
post #54 of 334

Interesting...

Thanks for clearing that up! I truly appreciate it!

Now the next big question is, does anyone think the Aspire 5020 will be available in the U.S. any time soon... if at all?
post #55 of 334
So how bad is the latency on the DDR2s? Are they worse or better than the best DDRs?
post #56 of 334
Much worse than best DDRs...and by the way I don't think those pics posted up there are of Turions, I think they are of Centrinos that were just announced...the article says Acer has said they will have them, but they didn't have any there...maybe I misread it though
post #57 of 334
Thats curious... are they still bad even with the 915 mobo?
post #58 of 334
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Originally Posted by BannedNinja
So how bad is the latency on the DDR2s? Are they worse or better than the best DDRs?
first of all there's a difference there between desktop and laptop ram. the latency on desktop ddr2 ram has inproved incredibly. there are now super high end desktop modules that really show off the performance of ddr2 and i believe out even the best ddr400. this isnt the case yet with laptop modules and probably wont be for a while. the best ddr400 laptop ram definitely outperforms any current laptop ddr2 memory by a decent amount, though i dont know an exact number for sure. but you have to remember that ddr2 performs at 1.8 volts and ddr at 2.5. so you get what should be a fairly good increase in battery life with ddr2.
post #59 of 334
So let's suppose I have the DDR2-4200 (533MHz). How much slower will my gameplay be (give scenarios for both CS1.6 and CS:S) if I were to play with this rather than DDR at 400MHz.
post #60 of 334
DDR2-533 is about the same as DDR-400...when going to DDR2 its pretty much a step down from the equivelant DDR...
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