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post #21 of 55
Thread Starter 
Same here, I have a stuck pixel on both my I-Mate phone LCD AND my Personal Sony digital camera... no kidding.

We've been very active in many of the policies and options offered you see from Sager. Fortunately Sager listens to reasonable requests with proposals and does what they can with us and for you. The potential policy has been knocked around for a very long time and the reason it's not $50-$100 and took so long to show its face is we wanted it to be a legit policy. A policy that wasn't simply we pay for shipping if you get a bad pixel, but rather extra labor be used to ensure those ordering no bad pixels get a perfect LCD the FIRST time. That, and any LCD found with a bad pixel while assembling a computer for someone that ordered no bad pixels does NOT get put back into rotation. This price was originally going to be much higher and after a lot of playing around with procedures, negotiating with manufacturers on policies, and shooting down some of my ideas , it was finally able to be offered for $200. Some will still see this as too high and, well, they don't have to take the option. I do not agree with dropping the price and sticking bad LCDs back into rotation or skipping test procedures sticking customers with needing to send their system in rather than get a perfect one the first time. Those things along with raising the price of all units, or swap meet style trying to sell off non-perfect LCDs would all drop the price of the policy but they all have their extreme negatives.

Now, there of course is a chance someone could get a bad pixel on arrival, they are human and one could be missed. I'm confident however this will not be an issue and be extremely rare. I hope it works well and can be available on more LCDs and models in the future.
post #22 of 55
Adam,

You are an honorable person and PCT is a company with a fine reputation. I do not doubt your sincerity. However, I do not believe for an instant that the plan will be implemented per your description and that my description is what will be done. Even if Sager starts out using the plan as described, the temptation to switch will be too great and the plan will rapidly devolve as I had stated. This is simply a fact of business.
post #23 of 55
I agree it could be an issue - especially as nobody *really* could find out. Though my experience with Sager has proved they are professional. Until I have reason to doubt their policies (and not just because you think it's "business"), they will continue to have my full support.
post #24 of 55
Thread Starter 
No, we could find out, we've got the place bugged

For real though, it's with anything in life. When you go to a restaurant there's no way for you to know for sure if the cook on shift picks food up off the floor to serve if he drops it. You don't know if the 15 year old @ MCDonalds is putting is own custom secret sauce on your burger. There's a few options they have with them such as discount pricing or selling them off to a 3rd party discount place. I know companies pull crap all the time and I'm confident if there's any company I can trust their word it's Sager or I wouldn't be selling their product. The only time I've EVER had to question Sager for an issue that had the potential to be deceit was when someone get a replacement DOA laptop that was clearly a used unit. They were very quick to address it, fix the issue, and change procedures so it didn't accidentally happen again. They did not deny it after re-checking the serial number and they did not play any political games over it. They haven’t given me any reason to not trust them and I refuse to give into paranoia.
post #25 of 55
I will always give a reputable company the benefit of a doubt initially. Thus, I do trust Sager at this time. However, I have to agree with a couple previous posters that the temptation is definitely there.

I'm just curious, has anybody here in NBF actually visited the the Sager site at the City of Industry?

My impressions:
-The front office was very smokey, I thought I was in a casino and was ready to hit the blackjack tables, even though there was nobody smoking inside at all
-The site was smaller than I expected
-But most importantly, everybody from the front office lady to the tech and sales rep were very professional, nice, informative, and helpful
-By the way, the sales rep gave huge props to PCTorque and Discountlaptops.
post #26 of 55
Will be interesting to see how DiscountLaptops.com handles this. Their official dead pixel policy reads as follows:

"We do not feel it is right to charge someone for a non-dead pixel LCD. Some retailers do this and they charge as much as $100 for this guarantee. Just think, as a customer, if you don't pay this fee, are you accepting a less than perfect LCD? Most likely.

In the laptop industry, we can't absolutely guarantee a perfect screen. It is our policy to not accept additional payment to guarantee a 100% dead-pixel free screen. We do not choose which customers get which laptop, as most systems are shipping directly from the factory to our customers. For this reason, we offer a satisfaction guarantee as listed below."

If they didn't feel it was right to charge as much as $100, I wonder how they are going to justify double that.
post #27 of 55
Well I believe this is a Sager policy and discountlaptops.com will enforce it. I think they just havent updated their website by the looks of it.
post #28 of 55
Quote:
Originally Posted by propofol
I'm just curious, has anybody here in NBF actually visited the the Sager site at the City of Industry?

My impressions:
-The front office was very smokey, I thought I was in a casino and was ready to hit the blackjack tables, even though there was nobody smoking inside at all
-The site was smaller than I expected
-But most importantly, everybody from the front office lady to the tech and sales rep were very professional, nice, informative, and helpful
-By the way, the sales rep gave huge props to PCTorque and Discountlaptops.
Yeah, I have. No signs of smoke whatsoever when I went and I thought the place was small too - until the guy took me out back to the production area. It's a huge warehouse with rows and rows of workbenches - just a lot of people don't see that part. And yeah, everyone was extremely professional/helpful. And fast too - got my unit checked over and fixed in a day.
post #29 of 55
$200 is fine with me, but are there any plans to make this available for the 7620 with WUXGA? That is looking to be my next machine instead of the 9860.
post #30 of 55

DPP and the top seller?

I have a question for PCTorque: What are the rankings for laptops sold in the last 6 months or at least the last quarter? In other words, are the most ordered computers from you 9860s? It could be part of the reason for having a DPP on the 9860, maybe?

I will say that I would definitely have payed for the DPP on my 3790 since my notebook traveled half way around the world to Japan. I'm fortunate, I got my Sager with no problems to report and its exactly what I needed.

Wouldn't it be interesting to here what the notebook ordering masses are prefering these days? Even if 9860s end up being the most ordered, there could be others deserving of the DPP (if not all of them)...hmm!?!
post #31 of 55
It's good they're now offering this option. Progression is a good thing.

$200 seems a bit steep, but it may very well be worth it for those who are real sticklers about pixel perfection.

My only concern is that the $200 only guarantees the screen for 30 days. I think for $200, it needs to cover the screen for much longer. I'm not sure exactly how long would be reasonable. But even if the laptop remains on a desk and doesn't move for months, a pixel could go bad. I can understand that they can only guarantee it for so long, but 30 days is just too short of a time for $200, IMO.
post #32 of 55
Thread Starter 
Derepente, yes for us the 9860 is #1 seller. If everything works out well, the policy may very well spread to other major models.

I've never had experience with a pixel going bad after a month. I would image it's very rare. The only bad pixel (stuck) I've seen that didn't arrive on the LCD, I noticed just a couple of days after it arrived and I just may have not seen it in the first place. It wouldn't surprise me if we never see a case of that when the bad pixel policy is chosen. I would say the biggest problem of making it a year for example would be if there ever was one extremely hard to see and Sager missed it and the customer didn't see if for 6 months, then wanted a replacement and Sager no longer has that LCD very easily available to test for a perfect one to replace it.

Basically people can pick at it and will like everyone always does with new releases and options, but I doubt anything brought up is something that wasn't addressed in the decision.
post #33 of 55
To: Anyone with doubts

Think about it. sager has given their users the no dead pixel in the center area for how long?

how many have received a screen with a pixel in that area, or close to it and were unable to get it replaced?

what do you think happen to those screen with pixel in the center area?? if sager is able to get rid of those rejects why wouldn't they be able to do it to what they are offering today?

just my 2 cent
post #34 of 55
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam@PCTorque
...I've never had experience with a pixel going bad after a month. I would image it's very rare. The only bad pixel (stuck) I've seen that didn't arrive on the LCD, I noticed just a couple of days after it arrived and I just may have not seen it in the first place. It wouldn't surprise me if we never see a case of that when the bad pixel policy is chosen. I would say the biggest problem of making it a year for example would be if there ever was one extremely hard to see and Sager missed it and the customer didn't see if for 6 months, then wanted a replacement and Sager no longer has that LCD very easily available to test for a perfect one to replace it.

Basically people can pick at it and will like everyone always does with new releases and options, but I doubt anything brought up is something that wasn't addressed in the decision.
The policy certainly isn't unreasonable, and I see what you're saying. Just my opinion.

Another thing to consider is that the higher the resolution, the harder it gets to see a bad pixel anyway. How difficult would it be to spot a bad pixel (especially on a WUXGA screen, if/when they become available)? I suppose there are exceptions, but with pixels this small, a person has to ask, "Does one bad pixel really matter?".
post #35 of 55
My parents have a 17" Viewsonice LCD that has a white pixal, and I never notice it. That's why I said what I did in my previous post. I'll have my 9860 next week and I'm confidant it'll be fine. I used to work at a CompUSA and I've opened a LOT of laptops and LCD's and the one my folks have is the fist one I've ever seen.
post #36 of 55
I have a suggestion for the LCD. Make another option with the pixel policy:
- Standard dead pixel policy
- $200 zero deal pixel
- (new) $0 Don't bother shipping my laptop if it has a dead pixel.

I am not trying to be rude at all, but I would surely pick this new option, and I wonder if any others would as well. This could save shipping costs, re-stocking fees, and time for both parties.
post #37 of 55
My 3790 has a green pixel right outside the center, its very annoying, specially since I know its there I will always look for it (just the way I am) or its there in my view.
post #38 of 55
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Originally Posted by Krowa02
My 3790 has a green pixel right outside the center, its very annoying, specially since I know its there I will always look for it (just the way I am) or its there in my view.
Why not just return it? That's what the 30 day satisfaction guarantee is for my friend.
post #39 of 55
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam@PCTorque
I've never had experience with a pixel going bad after a month. I would image it's very rare. The only bad pixel (stuck) I've seen that didn't arrive on the LCD, I noticed just a couple of days after it arrived and I just may have not seen it in the first place. It wouldn't surprise me if we never see a case of that when the bad pixel policy is chosen......................
Hm , my friend buy a 17" LCD major brand & got 1 bad ( green pixel ) after month & 4-5 months later got 1 more ( red ).

Anyway Adam , what happend with Attachments here ??
I all ready send 2 emails & nobody answer yet
Thanx &
post #40 of 55
Quote:
Originally Posted by mjavor
- Standard dead pixel policy
- $200 zero deal pixel
- (new) $0 Don't bother shipping my laptop if it has a dead pixel.
The new option you're suggesting is exactly the same as the option recently added by Sager. If a customer pays the $200 for the zero dead pixel policy, the machine must go through an extra stage of production (testing for zero dead pixels). You're basically suggesting they offer this for free.

I agree it would be nice, but in reality it's not going to happen
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