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My faulty Travelmate 8104

post #1 of 41
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First of all this is my 1st post on this forum but I have been reading the forums for some time now, and everyone seems to be quite helpful here.

EDIT 03/11/05: NOT REALLY A FAULTY POWER ADAPTER AS FIRST THOUGHT; because I didn't have time to test it with the battery unplugged and just the power adapter. Most probably a faulty piece of hardware in the laptop itself.

OVERVIEW: A brand new Travelmate 8104 was delivered to me with a 2" scatch and a suspected faulty power adapter which caused the backlight on the screen to flicker on the off constantly. I have wrote this overview to summarise the faults but to get the full picture, reading the whole post is recommended, which BTW took me quite a long time to write.

I had been looking for a lappy for months(college use) and then came across the Travelmate 8100 series, I thought I was dreaming when I first saw the specs on the 8104. The graphics card is the gem (IMO) on this notebook coupled with the 15.4" WSXGA+ TFT and sub 3kg weight and this means a lot to me because i'm very much a gaming freak. And the thought of superior gaming on such a well specified machine gives me goosebumps.

Anyways when I had finally ordered the Travelmate 8104 I couldn't believe I was finally getting this awesome machine. It came 6 days after ordering it because I chose the cheapest postage option. BUT it all went horribly wrong when I took outta the packaging.

Upon removing the black felt between the screen and the keyboard I noticed a 2" scratch on the plastic below the keyboard next to the specification sticker. medium depth, exposing the grey plastics underneath I was shattered, after all the waiting and anticipation I was so upset. I asked myself how this could of ever happened, I mean I was soo careful taking it out of the box and plastic bag, I even took off my ring thinking that would scatch it like it did to the metal at the back of my ipod.

Nevertheless I depressingly put the battery in it and turned it on, Windows didn't look like it ever been loaded so I went through the XP startup process. At this point nothing seemed wrong with the running of the machine it self. Once I got to the desktop for the 1st time I was prompted by the Acer backup, you can either backup on a 4 CD's or a DVD, so I backed it up on a DVD-R and once that was done I started using it normally, exploring it, installed various everyday progs like Winamp and firefox, I admit that the rest of the laptop lived to my expectations, it was stunning performace wise. After about 2 1/2 hours it was time to recharge and that when the main fault asose.

I plugged in the power adapter, the screen started flickering, although I know the screen wasn't flickering, it was the backlight turning on and off really quickly if you understand what i mean, I picked up the power brick and it was making humming noises simultaneously to the backlight flickering.The changes in brightness levels weren't comfortable to look at and lasted around 10mins before ceasing and normal charging seemed to start. The charging light turned from orange to green when it, it charged for an hour then suddenly the backlight started flickering again.

I was confused since this is my 1st laptop and I didn't know if this was normal so I googled it and loads of results came back but not for backlight flickering just faulty screens

I then tried charging the notebook while it was off and the charging light came on orange and then after precisely 18 seconds turned off for 3 seconds then turns for 18 seconds again. The cycle repeats itself continually until I took out the power cord and the light stayed unlit. I suspected a faulty adapter and by this point I was distraught Then I decided to turn on the laptop and loaded the Acer eManager program and put the adapter back into the lappy this showed that the power used by the lappy switched constantly from AC to DC causing the screen to goto full brightness while on AC then back to 80% when on DC. This concluded a faulty adapted as suspected.
I had it RMA back to the supplier after registering the fault with Acer Uk. Acer offered to send a new power adapter but I declined and decided to have it exchanged for a new one because of the unacceptable scatch and incase if it isn't just the faulty adapter causing the backlight to flicker.

BTW Welldone and congrats for reading it this far if you have!

Currently, i'm not a happy bunny, quite dissapointed in the experience, although not taking anything away from the actual laptop model. its actual performace is phenomenal for such a thin and light laptop, if you look at the benchmarks, and all the generous features speak for themselves, but use of such fragile light green shiny plastics on the all over the laptop, although they do look good, I suspect will be one the gripes with this laptop as it is bound to get damaged on normal use quicker than the older Travelmate 8000 series.

If you have had any similar problems with your 8100 series laptops could you please tell me about you experience with here.

Phew, I can't believe I just wrote all that.
post #2 of 41
join the club mate. not a happy camper here either at the moment
post #3 of 41
This is the biggest general discussion thread on the 8104. Subscribe and jump to the end for the latest.

Mega-bummer on your probs. By all means get the whole thing replaced. Someone just noted this morning that their adapter buzzes loudly. I thus found my adapter buzzes also but I can't hear it unless I put it right next to my ear. There "shouldn't" be any moving parts in it. I get a rare screen-flash, sometimes I'm not sure I even saw it, but nothing like you're experiencing. It's little comfort that "generally" the laptop is well-received when you and a few others are experiencing difficulty. Sure, they're new architecture equip., but I don't buy the "only a small percentage have problems" bit. Hopefully they haven't been released pre-maturely. I bought the basic extended 3-yr warranty, so it better run or they'll darn well be fixing it. Keep us posted on resolving your situation.
post #4 of 41
Mr KP: dude, who the "beep" did you buy your laptop from

I have had some problems as well, inconsistant WIFI connection (don't know if its the lappy or the Linksys modem/router)

Anyways, you should get a refund it the damage is not your fault, contact PC Pro Magazine, they're allways willing to fight your corner.
post #5 of 41
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Originally posted by MrMsyvc
Mega-bummer on your probs. By all means get the whole thing replaced. Someone just noted this morning that their adapter buzzes loudly. I thus found my adapter buzzes also but I can't hear it unless I put it right next to my ear. There "shouldn't" be any moving parts in it. I get a rare screen-flash, sometimes I'm not sure I even saw it, but nothing like you're experiencing. It's little comfort that "generally" the laptop is well-received when you and a few others are experiencing difficulty. Sure, they're new architecture equip., but I don't buy the "only a small percentage have problems" bit. Hopefully they haven't been released pre-maturely. I bought the basic extended 3-yr warranty, so it better run or they'll darn well be fixing it. Keep us posted on resolving your situation.
Oh, I sure don't hope there isn't an issue with this new line from Acer. There seems to be a lot of people opting for the 8100 series and if a lot of them go wrong Acer will be in a big load of S***. Although it doesn't seem to be one particular problem with many 8100 owners posting problems. Judging from what i've read on the forums there are certain isolated problems owners are experiencing. So don't start packing up your laptop to send it back just yet!

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Originally posted by bladerunner168
Mr KP: dude, who the "beep" did you buy your laptop from
I ordered my laptop from a online retailer from the UK called Easy Computers (www.laptopsdirect.co.uk)
Although i'm quite unhappy with the laptop they sent me, I don't feel cheated by Easy computers as the box was factory sealed when I opened it, the fault lies with Acer for ultimately building and shipping a faulty machine. The supplier (Easy Computers) were quick to take it back with no extra charge or hassle and are currently dealing with my replacement.

Quote:
Originally posted by bladerunner168
I have had some problems as well, inconsistant WIFI connection (don't know if its the lappy or the Linksys modem/router)

Anyways, you should get a refund it the damage is not your fault, contact PC Pro Magazine, they're allways willing to fight your corner.
I'm sorry to hear that you're having such problems with you're WIFI connection, I didn't experience and inconsistancy in the few hours I did have with the laptop allowed me to use my wifi network to connect to the internet connection for an hour. I must say I was very pleased at how easy it was to set up and the connection was very stable with full strenght signals being reported even through 3 solid brick walls. I went downstairs to test the range out since my Netgear DG834G ADSL router is upstairs and to my surprise it was still at full strength,I think that SignalUp technology has something to do with the awesome range. I recommend some trouble shooting, if the problem gets any worse contact you're supplier or Acer technical support.

BTW thanks for the heads-up about PC Pro Magazine, i'll check them out to see if they can do a shout out for me.
post #6 of 41
KP, I've just ordered the 8104 form Acer Notebooks - the same company as Laptops Direct. Ive also opted for the pre delivery inspection and i am curious into if you also invested in to guarentee of no missing pixals etc. Also i'm just wondering how you find their service as i'm currently waiting for them to get more of the 8104's back in stock. Hope you have more luck with your replacement.
post #7 of 41
Thread Starter 
No Blair I didn't opt for their pre-delivery inspection, I now know I should have, at the time of ordering I thought it was a waste of money and besides I knew how to put all the updates on it. I feel that the inspection would of definately picked up any faults with machine, I wasn't too worried about any dead pixels because it was such a large screen, so I wouldn't notice it if there were.

Their overall sevice has been good and they were quick to send out a courier to pick back up the faulty machine. The customer service was helpful and guided me through exactly what I needed to do. Although it did take a little waiting to get through. As I already said I don't have any gripes with Easy Computers, its Acer that I feel let me down.
post #8 of 41
Thread Starter 
After further research and reading through other posts and calling my supplier which say they have had a few returns with the same problem and they believe its not a faulty adapter, unfortunately I don't think it is a faulty adapter at fault aswell anymore, because I didn't test it without the battery and with just the power adapter in cos I had such a short amount of time with it. I am saying I think I was very wrong about the nature of the problem and that I fear its actually worse than previously thought.

I'd like to say I'm very sorry for misguiding people and creating false hopes, I suggest the best solution for this problem is a replacement. I'f you're supplier has a service like the pre-inspection service that www.laptopsdirect.co.uk does, I'd strongly recommend opting for it before ordering your 8100 to save a lot of pain and hassle. I'd wish I had done it now
post #9 of 41
Glad i did - should be here tomorrow - then again it was supoed to be here yesterday too :P - They say they just got them back in today.
post #10 of 41
I ran into the same problem Mr KP, my Acer 8104 was flopping back and forth between AC and battery power modes rapidly, resulting in teh same flickering screen nonsense. I took it back to my retailer and we tried a new AC adapter, to no avail. Since it worked fine on AC alone with the battery out, I wasn't surprised. It worked fine on battery alone too, so I suspected that wasn't the problem either. BUT, my retailer swapped the battery out and the problem is completely gone. There appears to be a rash of these faulty batteries. Get that checked out if your new 8104 comes and it's suffering from the same problem.
post #11 of 41
Thread Starter 
Hey thanks for that useful insight epicure1, I've been trying to pinpoint the actual cause for the problem myself by reading the posts and asking Acer technical support. At first I thought it was the power adapter then I thought it was something faulty inside the laptop causing it, now you've expelled that by saying its the faulty batteries. I hope it is the battery that is causing it because that would be far easier to remedy than a hardware fault.
post #12 of 41
Mine has came - all set up - no problems. Wireless working fine. - Pre delivery inspection well worth it. Hope you guys get your problems sorted. Thanks to everyone for the uesfull insight in the time leading up to this.

Off to buy a case and will install WOW and HL2 when i get back - should be good.

L8rz!
post #13 of 41
Oh dear I am another one I am afraid! Laptopsdirect - not a bad service, although they use every trick in the book! I didn't go for the pre inspection as I thought it was a bit of a rip off, and any way, if there was a problem, I would just send it back.

I got my 8104 yesterday which ironically was also my birthday, but the laptop is for work, and not play

Guess what? My new Acer 8104 has problems! What a surprise eh?

For a start the optical drive will not detect most of my DVD+R blank media as I discovered when I tried to create the recovery discs on first boot.

Have you tried plugging a set of earphones into your 8104 yet? You won't hear very much - very low output even with all levels set to max!

Those are just a couple of the problems I know about so far.

I am also wondering why the hell I have Win XP Pro installed on a partition with fat32 file system!!! That is the biggest pile of bollocks ever. It's laughable in fact!! Also wasting 50% of the HDD on a data recovery partition instead of providing data recover discs as most manufacturers do, is quite frankly disturbing! What a waste of a 100Gig drive!!!!!!!!!!!


I will be honest with you. I only discovered this forum while trying to find answers to these issues. I am now really having second thoughts. I got this 8104 to replace my Advent P4 which is just over a year old. The Advent, although a budget brand, still has specs and features that match many of the current crop. It's been reliable, never let me down, but my business needs require more power. Also my keys have warn away through use!

However. my old Advent (a buget brand), is making my new Acer look as though it fell out of a Christmas cracker! Not one fault with my Advent since I got it. Just got my Acer yesterday, and already several faults! Acer is suposedly a Tear 1 notebook manufacturer!

My predicament now is trying to find a good alternative with similar specs, but better build quality and quality control. It seems that there simply isn't anything else available for the same price. So having waited ages to get my hands on an Acer 8104, I am going to have to send it back and wait for a replacement, and hope that that is not faulty too. I think that might be hopeing for too much though.

I now find it highly amusing that Acer and Farari have colaborated, and that Acer have produced a Farari series of notebooks. It's funny. because both Acer and Farari have designs that have a lot of style. The 8104 is a very stylish design after all. They are also both at the pinacle of performance. However, both Farari, and Acer produce high performance products that lack quality control, and have terible reliability issues. It's a match made in heaven!!!!

See also:
Are Acer laptops crap?

Optical drive problems

Turning the volume up.
post #14 of 41
have u checked out LG?? i have heard good things about them, that is what i am looking into at the moment since they sell them here in canada....

read my thread on the review of 3 8104's and u'll see the problems i am having.

funny thing i have my laptop on my desk right now and the power adapter is about 12inch away from the laptop,, and far away from my ears though i can hear it buzz, and whine when i do certain things, go figure that one out, and if it's on idle doing nothing just a loud whining noise.. people mock compaq and hp, and the ones i owned the hp and compaq had way less problems then this!!
post #15 of 41
and as i put in the other post - check your realtek settings for a start. Secondally, some drives dont like some disks. I used a datawrite yellow DVD-r and it worked fine.

To be honest you seem to be making out that tese ar e major problems. Just think if you had a faulty scren or GPU, now thats a problem. As far as i can see acer have done an extremly hgood job and you shuldnt put them down for a few hitches (mostly windows based to be honest)
post #16 of 41
Quote:
Originally Posted by lastdon
have u checked out LG?? i have heard good things about them, that is what i am looking into at the moment since they sell them here in canada....

read my thread on the review of 3 8104's and u'll see the problems i am having.

funny thing i have my laptop on my desk right now and the power adapter is about 12inch away from the laptop,, and far away from my ears though i can hear it buzz, and whine when i do certain things, go figure that one out, and if it's on idle doing nothing just a loud whining noise.. people mock compaq and hp, and the ones i owned the hp and compaq had way less problems then this!!
Is the desktop amplifying the sound?
post #17 of 41
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blair
and as i put in the other post - check your realtek settings for a start. Secondally, some drives dont like some disks. I used a datawrite yellow DVD-r and it worked fine.

To be honest you seem to be making out that tese ar e major problems. Just think if you had a faulty scren or GPU, now thats a problem. As far as i can see acer have done an extremly hgood job and you shuldnt put them down for a few hitches (mostly windows based to be honest)
I have checked the realtek audio settings. Everything is turned up to the max. My old notebook, although it has a crap sound system, gives out a standard line level. The output from the Acer is way to low.

Well as my main computer past times, when I am not working, are video and music creation. The DVD drive not recognising DVDs, and the sound level of the audio are major problems for me, and are faults, if not at least with design. Not faults with windows, but with the Acer computer.

This isn't my first computer. I have 2 desktops, 2 servers, an Advent laptop, and now the Acer. So drawing comparisons with what I have had before, the acer rates prety low seeing that it just arived complete with problems, and reading some of the posts here, it's not that I've just been a bit unlucky. It seems to be the norm. So I am not exactly filled with confidence now, and that excitement I had when I unpacked it, and set it up, faded rapidly into depression!

Any way, I only live a few miles from Acer's UK service center, so I am hoping I might be able to get it sorted quickly. When I contacted Acer though, they were indicating that I would have to send it back to them or the dealer in the North, so that they can send it back down here to be fixed. Then presumably sent back up to them, so that they can send it back down here to me!

They said they may just replace the whole computer. That means that I can't start installing and transfering everything to the Acer, which means I can't get on with any big projects until this is all sorted out.
post #18 of 41
Ok - its simple, go to the Reaktek settings, then click "other" at the bottom of the EQ modes and click on "powerfull". You will notice a increace in the powr of the sound coming fomr headphones and possibly some from the speakers. (try changing it while you are playing some music so you will notice the difference. As for your DVD's - try buying another brand. As i said before i can account of datawrite yelow working for all my needs.
post #19 of 41
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blair
Ok - its simple, go to the Reaktek settings, then click "other" at the bottom of the EQ modes and click on "powerfull". You will notice a increace in the powr of the sound coming fomr headphones and possibly some from the speakers. (try changing it while you are playing some music so you will notice the difference. As for your DVD's - try buying another brand. As i said before i can account of datawrite yelow working for all my needs.
LOL Overdriving the audio by turning the EQ up to full is not the answer. That will just cause noise and distortion. I will probably get an Audigy Notebook card any way, and that should give me good audio at a more realistic level. That does not let Acer off the hook though, as there is either a fault on my new machine, or there is a design fault with the 8104 audio setup, niether of which is acceptable!
post #20 of 41
Its a feature to save power
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