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post #1 of 25
3/6/05 at 12:13am
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Having pulled the trigger "3" times with the 6000, grabbing lastly the 35% off deal, I still have my doubts even with the discount if I got what I really wanted or whether it is really that good a deal. For about $2300 got almost fully loaded 6000d. Why no happiness??
If you look deeper into what is offered, why well with most, the RAM DDR2 is only "400Mhz" 3200 series not the 533Mhz 4200 series. Also the sense getting gipped with the "169 %" faster dedicated video option of the ati X300 over the integrated intel. The ACER 8104, though you don't have the wiggle room to pick and choose options does though come with the DDR2 4200 series 533Mhz RAM and included on top of that the ATI X700 at a comparable price. ASUS and Sager also have offerings with the Sonoma 915 chipset and better graphic cards to boot.
Experience has taught that buying a laptop in an ever changing market is harder than buying an house!! At one time or another you just have to go for it and then for some years to come "live with it". I still have the option of sending the 6000d back before my 21 days of review which will be more than likely the decision.

The 6000d 15.4 wide screen option with with the WUXGA is a plus that other manufacturers don't have with the Sonoma yet. If they do the graphics are lacking. So where do you find a simular product to the 6000D with some descent RAM and Video?? Looking around the internet at most laptop options with Sonoma chipset I came full circle to Dell!! I couldn't believe it, right there before my eyes are the M70 and the D810. They have the wide screen, they have the 4200 series ram option and lo and behold they have the NVIDIA Quadro FX Go1400 256MB OpenGL graphics and the ATI MOBILITY RADEON X600 128MB DDR Graphics respectively.
check them out:
M70
D810

What to do?????!! The problem is you don't see the offers on the business side with the Precision and Latitude Notebooks that you see on the Home side. They keep the good stuff on the business side for why else haven't they offered the 4200 series RAM with these discounts?? Why no real graphics with these discounts?? Which leads me to wonder will they ever?? If they do it will be after you are me have our 21 days expire!!

The M70 is greater than the D810 and the D810 is greater than the 6000D.
M70 Benchmarks
Well just some food for thought.

If anybody sees 35% coupon for the M70 or D810 let me know.
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post #2 of 25
3/6/05 at 12:29am
What do you want to do with the notebook?
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post #3 of 25
3/6/05 at 1:39am
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Originally Posted by gmnstrunr37
What do you want to do with the notebook?


Optimize widescreen 15.4 WUXGA to full potential with games present/future, spreedsheets, CAD or whatever. With the 6000D it ain't goin to happen. It seems to me just a hyped anchor weight that has its handicaps in RAM and Video Graphics, that's all.
Why should I say in the future have to replace them if needed when 4200 series and X600 and X700 with Sonoma are already availiable? We all like to have the latest and greatest one way or another and buying into the Sonoma chipset without exploiting it seems foolish. Sorta like having a Boxter without the horsepower. The problem is, and I am sure I am not alone, is that I am cheap, oh sorry I mean "frugal".

jed
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post #4 of 25
3/6/05 at 1:45am
Have you considered 9300? It might be an option if you are ok with 17" and some extra lbs. It is especially worthwhile given the 35% off. I configured a 9300 with 60GB/2915Wireless/1.6GHz/512MB/6800go/1yrWarr/CDRW for USD1277.
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post #5 of 25
3/6/05 at 1:56am
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Originally Posted by ankurg
Have you considered 9300? It might be an option if you are ok with 17" and some extra lbs. It is especially worthwhile given the 35% off. I configured a 9300 with 60GB/2915Wireless/1.6GHz/512MB/6800go/1yrWarr/CDRW for USD1277.


Considered already. I have a problem with the 17"ers and am getting too old to lift and carry that extra weight.

Widescreen definitely the way to go though.

jed
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post #6 of 25
3/6/05 at 2:04am
Skip the Quadro if you're a gamer. It's optimized for CAD, CAM and modeling, and won't perform well for games.
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post #7 of 25
3/6/05 at 2:14am
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Originally Posted by Hibby
Skip the Quadro if you're a gamer. It's optimized for CAD, CAM and modeling, and won't perform well for games.
relatively speaking, it performs quite well on games... on par with a 6800go.

what makes it so unappealing for gamers is the price/performance ratio... if it were the same price range as the 6800go, most ppl would be all over it.

but once they find out they paid out the ass for it (and coulda gotten a decked out XPS G2 with better performance), ppl start complaining and making up excuses that it's not good for "gaming".

but then, the market for a quadro or an M70 is not for gamers... but for CAD/DCC folks.
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post #8 of 25
3/6/05 at 2:17am
AFAIK, the core of the go1400 is *identical* to the core of the go6800. Does anybody know otherwise? Sure, they may be clocked at different rates and come with different drivers, but that's easy to fix.
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post #9 of 25
3/6/05 at 2:18am
The M70 costs the same as an Inspiron 9300 comparibly equipped, it just has fewer deals available. The 1400go does not cost more than the 6800go and performs just as well.

EDIT: I believe they have the same cores. The M70, in addition to being a workstation laptop, is a good gaming laptop if you don't want the bulkiness of a 17" monitor. Now, to find a discount on the precisions so I don't have to fork out 2900$.
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post #10 of 25
3/6/05 at 2:18am
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Originally Posted by dellbert
AFAIK, the core of the go1400 is *identical* to the core of the go6800. Does anybody know otherwise? Sure, they may be clocked at different rates and come with different drivers, but that's easy to fix.
yep. exact same core.
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post #11 of 25
3/6/05 at 2:25am
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Originally Posted by qwazi
The M70 costs the same as an Inspiron 9300 comparibly equipped, it just has fewer deals available. The 1400go does not cost more than the 6800go and performs just as well.
well, not really. it's an incredible marketing gimmick.

those "coupons" and "discounts" you get only make you THINK you're getting a good deal. dell is still making a profit even after the coupons.

the reason the M70/M60 do not have frequent coupons is because nvidia really DO charge more for the quadro.

dell SB is always a lil more because the configuration comes with a standard 3yr warranty, whereas the dell home comes with a 1 yr warranty by default (and u have to pay more to get the 3 yr).
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post #12 of 25
3/6/05 at 5:58am
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Originally Posted by dellbert
AFAIK, the core of the go1400 is *identical* to the core of the go6800. Does anybody know otherwise? Sure, they may be clocked at different rates and come with different drivers, but that's easy to fix.
I could be wrong. I've always been told the performance was less. Perhaps the drivers are optimized differently? Either way, if I'm wrong, my apologies.
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post #13 of 25
3/6/05 at 6:42am
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You all have lost me with the "core" talk. Where are you pulling that info from?
Could only find this that gives some idea of comparison.

mobile GPU .......... | MEM | CORE| reported OC |
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GF Go 6800 .......... | 600 | 250 | M680 / C376 |
Quadro FX Go1400 . | 590 | 275 | M750 / C350 |



Looked a little into the Go 6800 and it is quite an impressive mobile chip. If the core is the same as the Go1400 then theoretically if tweaked, overclocked or whatever you should see the same results?

Bottom line: In comparing the M70 with the D810 / X600 or even Acer 8104 / X700 would it be fair to say that the M70 comes out on top?

Those with M70's, can it handle 3D in 1920 x 1200?

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think i'm going to wind up in laptop lost in space / ever looking never finding

jed
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post #14 of 25
3/6/05 at 6:55am
yeah M70 would come out on top easily
yeah an it could handle 3d in 1920 x 1200
as my 9200 does quiet well
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post #15 of 25
3/6/05 at 5:05pm
this will make it simple:

if you like the play games and get nice performance then avoid the quadro

if you use autocad all the time or do 3d modeling.. get a quadro.. but do not play games w/ it
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post #16 of 25
3/6/05 at 5:37pm
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Originally Posted by dellbert
AFAIK, the core of the go1400 is *identical* to the core of the go6800. Does anybody know otherwise? Sure, they may be clocked at different rates and come with different drivers, but that's easy to fix.


dellbert

go1400's clock speeds are lower but as you stated before that can be adjusted

PZR = Powermizer version
VP = Vertex Pipelines
VS = Vertex Shader Version
PTP = Pixel/Texture Pipelines
PSV = Pixel Shader Version
DX = DirectX support
CS = Core Speed in Mhz
FR = Fill Rate in Mega Texels per second
MBW = Memory Bus Width in bits
MT = Memory Type SDR=single data rate, DDR=double data rate
MS = Memory Speed in Mhz
MBW = Memory Bandwidth in GB per second.

from laptopvideo2go

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GPU             PCI-ID  PZR    VP    VS   PTP   PSV  DX     CS        FR       MBW    MT        MS       MBW   
Geforce FX go6800   C8    5.0    5    3.0  12x1  3.0  9.0c 300/450  3600/5400  256  DDR/2/3   250/600  19.2/38.4 
Quadro FX go1400    CC    5.0    5    3.0  12x1  3.0  9.0c  275     3600/5400  256  DDR/2/3     590    19.2/38.4 

Not wanting to dish out the dough for this baby just yet.
Still cyberspacing the 1st generation sonoma galatic laptop world for the 15.4 widescreen with "steller" graphics.

Fujitzu blew it by having ATI X300 with only 64 MB in their Lifebook N3500 ( WXGA Color-Enhanced Crystal View display) as did Dell with 6000D.

15.4" widescreens with sonoma/ddr2 have arrived but landing one with descent graphic capability and price will take a little time I guess.
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post #17 of 25
3/6/05 at 6:23pm
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Originally Posted by pwoznic
this will make it simple:

if you like the play games and get nice performance then avoid the quadro
You're so right... I mean we're talking like 1-2fps on some things.. others it doesn't matter.

Have you tried the go1400? Seriously, you pretty much only GET more with the go1400. Not less. But it is pricey.

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if you use autocad all the time or do 3d modeling.. get a quadro.. but do not play games w/ it
Baloney. Bad economics, bad decision making. If you don't need the advanced features of the Quadro, you are better off with just a gamer card. However, a go1400 is more than able to keep up with a go6800 (unless 1-2fps makes a huge difference... even then, only in a couple of cases). If you have a go1400, you better be using it for everything.. even games (if that suits you). To suggest it doesn't play games well is simply uninformed.

If you get a good deal on an M70... I'd take it even if the sole purpose it to use it for gaming. However, you probably are better served with the 17" 9300... but large laptops aren't for everyone.
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post #18 of 25
3/7/05 at 3:34am
My understanding was this. A reader of a magazine I subscribe to wrote in inquiring about the gaming performance of a particular CAD/CAM/modeling-optimized GPU with something in the neighborhood of 512 or 640 MB of RAM (perhaps the Quadro 4400? http://nvidia.com/page/qfx_uhe.html) Anyhow, the response from the magazine's technical advisor stated that although the card was built on a modified gaming GPU and had a massive amount of memory, it was a poor choice for anyone who had an interest in gaming. I base my statements of the mobile Quadro on that. Perhaps I'm incorrect. Meh.
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post #19 of 25
3/7/05 at 9:06am
For someone building a desktop machine, a Quadro/FireGLX is a poor choice for someone who's interested in gaming because they cost more than an equivelant/faster GPU, not because of any performance loss. However, Dell's only relatively fast GPU in a 15.4" laptop is the Quadro 1400go.
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post #20 of 25
3/7/05 at 12:33pm
Why doubt the people that have the M70? I have one and it is fine with gaming. I can play Doom3 and WoW on it with no problems. The only reason I am returning it is that I got the 35% off deal on the 9300 so I can get more laptop for the same amount of money.

IMO, it is the best (best being fastest) 15.4" Sonoma based laptop you can get.
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