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XPS gen2 and 9300 Win64

post #1 of 10
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Ok, so I pulled the trigger and ordered a 9300 from Dell yesterday, but 1 thing is now bothering me. With windows 64-bit coming out in April 2005 of this year and Pentium Ms not being able to run it, don't you think Dell is going to have something new in terms of laptops supporting 64-bit at launch??? I would hate to buy a new laptop and have it be obsolete in less than 6 months. Are we all better off waiting until April at least? I mean it's only 1 month away and it's defintely NEW technology this 64-bit OS.

Thoughts, ideas, comments?
post #2 of 10
I think that the release for windows longhorn, which is the 64bit OS, is supposed to be next year.... 2006
Im sure microsoft will release longhorn when more 64bit chips other than athlon arrive.

I doubt that Dell will have a 64bit processor for the 9300 or the xps.... They will make a new notebook with new motherboard..... basically a way to make more money... by making people like you and me pay more by buying a new system... I to was in a stickler when thinking about buying a new pc. I want to buy the XPS gen 2, but I want a 64 bit processor.... If it were possible to get a mobile 64 bit chip in the xps..... I would be all about it....
post #3 of 10
Not sure what you would get out of a 64 bit OS in an personnal laptop. OK for servers, but the XPS Gen2 will be obsolete by the time 64 Bit software is available, other than the OS which is already available in beta and being run on Mobile AMD Athlon™ 64 processors.
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Originally Posted by iatacs19
Ok, so I pulled the trigger and ordered a 9300 from Dell yesterday, but 1 thing is now bothering me. With windows 64-bit coming out in April 2005 of this year and Pentium Ms not being able to run it, don't you think Dell is going to have something new in terms of laptops supporting 64-bit at launch??? I would hate to buy a new laptop and have it be obsolete in less than 6 months. .........
Sounds like the same story all over again (remember 9200 to 9300). Just enjoy your purchase!!!
post #5 of 10
Ya know if you like games and such... Just get the xps 2 or 9300... i had an xps with an ati 9700 and I was playing games like doom 3 and half life 2 without a hitch and I loved it. The xps will still game for some long time.... Just imagine how long the xps 2 or 9300 can game with these nice ass GPUs in them. Like rhinoevans said, what can we really get out of 64bit. It supposed to look cool and stuff from what I read.... but i dont want to wait around for the 64bit system to comeout. What im going to do is get the XPS 2 and when 64 bit OS comes out, I will just buy a desktop ( which will be far cheaper than a notebook) and run longhorn with a 64 bit athlon....

The xps 2 and 9300 will be gaming mosters for years........ Im impatient so im ordering once i hear some more reviews about the xps2. Doom 3 is a pretty graphical inclined game... and if the xps 2 is hitting around 90-100 fps.... newer games that come out wont be much a challenge for these notebooks.....
post #6 of 10
Tell me a reason why you want 64-bit. Do you even know what it's going to give you?

The ONLY thing 64-bit is going to change is the amount of addressable memory. In other words, instead of only being able to have up to 4 gb of ram, you can have 4 billion times that amount of ram. 32-bit means 2 to the 32 power. 64-bit means 2 to the 64 power.

That's great, but in order to use that extra memory, you gotta have programs that support it. I know for sure that I'll be just fine with my XPS 2 for a long time. Although it can only support up to 2 gb of ram supposedly, I doubt I'll be needing more than 2gb of RAM to do what I need to do for years. (A side note on that: why is the 915pm chipset limited to 2gb? Is it only because they don't make RAM chips that hold more than 1gb each?)

In addition, since the latest 915pm chipset, and at best the 915p chipset in a sager, can hold up to 2-4 gb of ram, you'll be waiting a long time for memory technology to provide you with enough memory to actually use 64-bit's advantage since notebooks can't just add more slots or use bigger memory chips due to size restrictions. One more thing-- pentium M 64-bit cpu's are a long way off. Check out anandtech for more info. They basically said that 64-bit pentium M's are too large to put in a notebook, and it's going to be a long time before they get small enough.

Bottom line: if you know for sure that you cannot live with 2gb or 4gb of RAM, then you need to wait a few years and buy a desktop that fulfills your needs (laptops will be behind desktops, so you'll wait even longer for them.)
post #7 of 10
I guess a true 64 bit processor would have 64 bit registers and have the ability to execute 64bit instructions. I am not to familiar with the AMD 64s or Intel's new EMT 64 instructions, but i dont think a change from 32bit computing to full blown 64bit computing would happen as fast as 16bit - 32bit happened.
post #8 of 10
64bit will give you faster processing, too. I'm not so sure we'll get the boost we got with Windows95 going from 16bit to 32bit, though because Windows keeps piling on more and more automatic programs and services and all the programs keep piling on more and more services and task bar programs that stay resident in memory and periodically take up processor time. It is either intentional or very sloppy programming that has caused the resources that Windows and the majority of programs that are used on it to keep pace with the processor improvements making upgrades necessary to maintain computing performance rather than improve it. And Linux isn't any better. The full gui's available for Linux are just as slow or slower than Windows and don't work as well. (I hope that's not as seen as an invitation for attacks from Linux advocates. I like Linux and hope it continues to evolve and challange Microso$t.)
post #9 of 10
from what i heard, longhorn supports both 32 bit and 64 bit instructions so our p4ms won't be obsolete. i'm not so sure about the importance of the 64 bit instruction in our cpus... but intel made the move in answer to amd's popular 64 bit cpu, so i have a strong hunch that it must be pretty useful... gonna go and do more research.
post #10 of 10
I think that if you want to wait, and you can do so without losing your sanity - wait for dual core notebooks. Gamespot has an article - there was a demo of a game on dual core with physics engine running on one thread and rest on another. This led to some good physics (more details at gamespot )
64 will help you get to higher RAM. I think 32-bit windows supports 4 GB - so 64 bit doesnt sound useful unless you want a notebook with 8 GB RAM.
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