Big doubts... gaming on latest Sagers?

I can say, for sure, that you'll have no problem playing new games on a Sager 5680 or 8890.

M10 pro

The m10 pro drivers were a little rushed so I would assume that with a little time the drivers will get better and so will the 3d-mark scores.

Check out this thread.

http://sagerforums.com/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=6759

Also, look through the posts from the people who already have an 8890 and you'll find that they love playing games on these notebooks.

OBG
-future 5680 owner (hopefully soon!)

Re: Big doubts... gaming on latest Sagers?

Ok, for one, a GF4 maxes out at around 1.8k on 3dMark 03. Not 5000. Also, the 9500 is a faster card than the 9600. It has better architecture, etc. ATI pulled some fast ones with names, and you would THINK the 9600 should be faster. But, they arent, and that is fact.

But you gotta understand, that 3000 is a very good gaming machine we are looking at, and will last us a while.

Dirgle... i wouldnt expect much more speed out of the M10P though. Right now, it is a bit faster than the desktop, but cant get much faster than that...

Re: Re: Big doubts... gaming on latest Sagers?

I have a Geforce 4 ti 4600 with a AMD 2400+ 2Ghz 512Ram
and I get a score just under 2000 with 3dmark03, I think the only system that could get a 5000+ score is maybe a overclocked 3ghz+ with a 256MB 9800 1GB ram.
Also I don't think the drivers for the 9600 are going to change the score much.

Re: Re: Re: Big doubts... gaming on latest Sagers?

Well, my desktop at stock got around 6k, and when OCed, it hits 7 no problem...

Firstly, there are no guarantees in life except death and taxes.

Second, you have to do a hard look at your computing needs as to whether or not you need a PORTABLE system or not.

If you need a portable system you have two choices. Your first choice is obviously a notebook computer. Your second choice is a Small Form Factor PC like the Shuttle 41/51/61 series.

Then you make your decision on what to buy.

If your decision goes to the notebook computer side of the house, then you won't find a better price/performance ratio then buying a Sager 5680 or 8890. They have the best FSB/Video chip combonation in the industry and are the most customizable notebooks available.

It is ill advised to ask a bunch of people in a forum that don't know your computing needs to help make a decision that ultimately you will have to live with.

-Tony

Re: Re: Re: Re: Big doubts... gaming on latest Sagers?

What is it?

here is the link (for score compairing) for my rig overclocked...

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=1021961

Soon enough, i plan to watercool my system (self done of course) and go for 8k.

arent nvidia scores hyped in those tests i mean dont they have a weird driver that optimizes itself for high scores on 3dmark03

not possible for a DX8 part such as a GF4 Ti to score that high in 3Dmark2K3. It'd have to be clocked at like 5000Mhz Core and Ram to get scores high enough in the non DX9 tests to make up for the lack of points awarded for being able to run that test.

Re: Big doubts... gaming on latest Sagers?

To the best of my knowledge, there is no way a ti4600 can score that high, since 3dmark03 is a test based on direct x 9 and the ti4600 is not direct x 9 compliant.

no, only the last test is based on DX9, and the cards that don't support DX9 can't even run the test and therefore score no points for such a test, it's a big loss of points which is why no DX8 card like a 4600 can score that high at all in the test.

The other thing is - 3dmark03 is focused almost completely on the video card, but we all know that gaming performance is based on much more (CPU, FSB, RAM, HD speed, etc.). Don't assume that just because the 3dmark scores are lower that the laptop won't compete with or surpass some of these desktops.

Can you outspec this machine with a desktop for cheaper? Yes.

Is this the fastest laptop out there and fully capable of playing this and the next generation of games? Yes.

Choose based on what you need.

Like others said, there are no guarantees. However I feel good about this purchase and I got it specifically to have a portable for gaming. I feel like my "just ordered today 5680" will work "admirably" for Doom3 and HL2, but I won't know until they actually come out.

Ever since Quake came out more than 7 years ago keeping up with good framerates has been a constant, and expensive, goal for me. Around the time it came out I purchased a $7000 computer because it was the fastest possible thing at the time. And it's laughably slow now (a 200MHz Pentium Pro, with 128MB RAM). About 2.5 or 3 years ago I bought a $5000 computer because I wanted it to be awesome for gaming. It was a dual 500MHz P3 Xeon. It's now relagated to running an array that I do backups to at home.

After those two experiences I've become jaded to the whole idea of trying to keep up with the bleeding edge (and so is my wife). Sure, I'd LOVE for my 5680 to run Doom3 "baby-butt smooth", but I'm not counting on it. I'm just hoping for it to be somewhere close to that magical 60fps range with some bells and whistles turned on.

When Quake was released everyone LOVED it. But no one I knew was getting even 30fps unless it was at something uselessly coarse (like 280x200). I played it at 400x300, and that was at about 23fps to 25fps. Man, I LONGED for the day when I'd be getting 30fps. Then the Verite' cards came out and 35fps was suddenly possible - and MUCH better image quality to boot. Then Voodoo with even better framerates and even better quality. My first Voodoo was a $200 card. The 2nd was a $700 Obsidian that I won at the first "The Frag" (heh - not for my playing ability, but for a costume contest). My 3rd high end card was a $500 Voodoo2 SLI rig that I paid for. 3 more vid cards have been in and out of my computer since that card. *NO* video chipset is good enough to last forever. The 9600Pro is amazing for a laptop chipset, but in 2 years we'll laugh at how excited we are right now.

The main point is, gaming is the most hardware intensive thing you can throw at a computer. You probably won't like a computer you buy right now for gaming in 2 years. I'm not saying that you won't still like the computer, but it won't be an optimal rig for gaming (though it may still rock for a while as a gaming server at LAN parties <grin>).

So, spend your bucks and enjoy what you get. The "perfect rig" isn't just around the corner 'cause that one will be out-of-date a half-year to a year later as well. If you really want the "perfect Doom3/HL2 portable", then you're going to be MUCH more satisfied by buying something a year from now than with something you can get now. It's just the way it works.


Bunsen out....

Once again, thi is not correct information. 3D Mark is indeed effected by CPU, RAM, FSB, AGP bus, etc. Please stop spreading this incorrect information. if you doubt it, please do some research on futuremarks forums.

One more thing - I can GUARANTEE you that I'll be *much* happier with the video framerate and quality that I'll be getting with Doom3/HL2 on the 5680 than I was on my $7000 computer and Voodoo video card 6 years ago. And that wasn't nearly as portable as the 5680 is. Even if it isn't a "perfect gaming experience" I feel confident that it'll be "good enough", at least for me. YMMV.


Bunsen out....

Ah Heck,

Just go and buy some whoop'dedoo desktop and leave an extra SAGER out there for the true believers.

Geez...why do people base their decisions on what 3dmark score a laptop and/or desktop gets? Those are SYNTHETIC numbers!!! They don't represent REAL-WORLD numbers!!!