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Warning/Help i6000 1394 Firewire & USB2 External Hard Drive problems

post #1 of 6
Thread Starter 
HELP PLEASE!!!
System was fairly high end $2035 - $750 discount.
PROBLEMS:
External Firewire 1394 Hard drives are recognized but will NOT install properly.
Also, they lock up the Management Console (Device manager, Disk manager etc).
Event viewer message:
Hanging application mmc.exe, version 5.1.2600.2180, hang module hungapp, version 0.0.0.0, hang address 0x00000000.

USB2 External HDs are very intermittent. They will only install properly after their install fails & I uninstall them in device manager and rescan to reinstall several times.

USB2 1 GIG Flash (thumb) drives DO work WELL


TROUBLESHOOTING:
These External Hard Drives ALL work WELL in other systems including my older Dell desktops/laptops.

I installed a PCMCIA Firewire card on this computer and it has the same problem with external Firewire HDs.
This same PCMCIA card & external HDs work well in other laptops including several 4 year old Dell Latitude P3 CPU.

In other words:
The external HDs work well on all (many) other computers here but NOT on this Insp 6000.
The external firewire HD chipsets are Oxford 911 and later (The Best) and the USB2 external chipsets are varied several.

I did an XP repair install and no better.
Partitioned Hard drive and installed dual boot 2nd XP system and same problem.

Diagnostics F12 at boot (from the hidden partition) say there is no problem.

Is this a bad design?

Thanks for your help!
post #2 of 6
Are you using external drives that you put together? ie you purchased an external hard drive enclosure and then put your own hard drive in it? Or are these units manufactured by Seagate, Maxtor etc... ?

I have 2 external HDD that I put together myself. The enclosure is from Macally and offers both Firewire (1394) and USB 2.0. I found that the USB controller on these enclosures didn't function well with Windows XP Pro SP2. (On my Desktop system) They would constantly lock up Windows requiring a hard reboot or often never be recognized by the system. I installed a Audigy card with a Firewire port and these same Macally enclosures have no problems at all working in Windows XP SP2 over Firewire.

I have another USB 2.0 only enclosure that I put together and it's made by Bytecc. This one works flawlessly under Windows XP SP2 on my desktop using USB 2.0. It has a differernt controller chip for the USB.

I have used the Bytecc on my I6000 and had no problems at all. I did find that the system would not recognize the external hard drive if I attached it to the computer while the external hard drive was powered on. If I attach it and then power the external hard drive all is well.

I have a cable coming to allow me to use the Firewire drives on the I6000 and will report back here as to how they work.
post #3 of 6
Thread Starter 
deheinx THANKS! for your effort and reply

I have several combinations of USB2/Firewire drives that I put together as well as integrated units that I purchased. I have some Bytecc enclosures that work USB2 and some that do not work well but different Bytecc models use different chipsets. I am aware that many other users have had problems with these and I really do not epect the USB2 units to be 100% working.
My main problem is Firewire connectivity. I maintain a lot of computers and use external Firewire drives for backup and installs. Both the integrated units and the ones I put together work on these many computers. I use units with Oxford chipsets since I believe those are considered the best.

You gave me something to think about since all the systems I maintain started as either original XP or XP SP1 that were all later updated to SP2. Maybe those work differently than an original clean SP2 install. I need to look at that.
I have since learned that changing jumpers from "master" to "cable select" allows some of the external firewire single drives to work although USB2 wanted "master" to work. I still can not get the dual hard drive Firewire externals to work.

I partitioned the i6000d hard driver and installed a "clean (no Dell stuff)" version of XP SP2 on the new partition (dual boot) and still have the same Firewire problem. I am going to try a third partition for XP SP1 to see what that does.

Again, thanks again for for your reply!
John
post #4 of 6
There is also this issue with SP2:
"Performance of 1394 devices may decrease after you install Windows XP Service Pack 2"


http://support.microsoft.com/kb/885222


This might be causing your problems as well.

Hope this helps.
post #5 of 6
Thread Starter 
Thanks again deheinx!

I am lost in space.

I did an XP SP2 install from the Dell re-install CD that came with my i6000 to the following computers:
1) Dell Latitude Notebook with PCMCIA Firewire addon card
2) Dell Optiplex Desktop with PCI Firewire addon card (crummy Via Chipset)
Both detected and installed my external Firewire hard drives and they worked flawlessly.
I am about ready to give up and return the laptop.
John

(for the legal worriers - I have several new unused Dell COAs so my troubleshooting test installs were legal although of course no COAs were required)
post #6 of 6
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Originally Posted by deheinx
There is also this issue with SP2:
"Performance of 1394 devices may decrease after you install Windows XP Service Pack 2"


http://support.microsoft.com/kb/885222


This might be causing your problems as well.

Hope this helps.
I installed this today when I noticed that my firewire 800 device was only transferring at 10 megabytes per second. After installing it, the transfer rate jumped to 28 megabytes per second. However, my older firewire 400 device refused to be recognized. I am going to try the SP1 files restore method to get this to work, I will report back a little later.
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