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Anyone have a part number for the XPS2 video card?

post #1 of 14
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I'm betting that the XPS2/9300 difference on the video card is simply a way to try and sucker people into paying ~$500 for the XPS LEDs and the Ultra card, similar to the old tricks on the XPS/9100 lineup. (~$500 based on configuring a 9300 and XPS2 nearly identical including the backpack on both sides, with the same 2.0 P-M, ram, etc).

So anyhow, I figure those of us with enough ability to open the laptop might be able to just buy the 9300 with the cheep Radeon option, then order the Ultra variant of the video card to upgrade, and still come out a few C-Bills richer. So anyone have the part number of the Ultra card to order from the spare parts group?
post #2 of 14
Actually based on the pictures we have seen posted, I think Dell has taken a different approach. The Ultra card has a dual copper-piped heat sink and it doesnt appear as if it will fit in the 9300 chassis.

If the BIOS will support the card and someone was creative enough to make a heatsink that would work in the 9300 this might be possible.
post #3 of 14
No that won't work, the ultra isn't compatible with the 9300.
post #4 of 14
yeah, you could probably build yer own heatsink or something, as it has to have the same interface (PCI-e, right?)...the only problem is, the card itself will probably run ~$400 anyway for a few months, so for the trouble you might as well snag the XPS2...the price will probably drop to ~$325 or $300 after awhile, so if yer particularly industrious you should definitely post pictures of the design you come up with, temps, etc.

Honestly, I think you're crazy if you try this, as to me the trouble's not worth the $200 you might save...Dell has expert thermal engineers etc. etc. Not a bad idea in principle, though, as I guess I have done the same thing with a desktop...
post #5 of 14
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Originally Posted by hammermd
yeah, you could probably build yer own heatsink or something, as it has to have the same interface (PCI-e, right?)...the only problem is, the card itself will probably run ~$400 anyway for a few months, so for the trouble you might as well snag the XPS2...the price will probably drop to ~$325 or $300 after awhile, so if yer particularly industrious you should definitely post pictures of the design you come up with, temps, etc.

Honestly, I think you're crazy if you try this, as to me the trouble's not worth the $200 you might save...Dell has expert thermal engineers etc. etc. Not a bad idea in principle, though, as I guess I have done the same thing with a desktop...
I don't even think its a matter of thermal issues alone, I think the card itself just won't function in a 9300.
post #6 of 14
I'm with Drakino. It's a scam. 9300 and iXPS are same chassis, same mother board. Why would they make 2 different motherboards that are the same in every other way? Just wait a bit, and the Ultra will be an option in the 9300.
post #7 of 14
yea we have the same chipset IntelĀ® 915PM Chipset with PCI Express then why the hell we can't use the ultra card i just don't comprehend?
post #8 of 14
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Originally Posted by sonicwind
I'm with Drakino. It's a scam. 9300 and iXPS are same chassis, same mother board. Why would they make 2 different motherboards that are the same in every other way? Just wait a bit, and the Ultra will be an option in the 9300.
You will be waiting a long time. There could be a bios lock preventing the 6800u functioning at all in the 9300. Did you take a look at the leaked dell memo? It clearly states the card is not interchangeable between the two models. Here's the exact wording:

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NOTE: There are two versions of the GeForce Go 6800 graphics card. Sullivan (GeForce Go 6800) has a lower AISC and Memory speed then Folsom's (GeForce Go 6800 Ultra). These two cards are not swappable between the two systems.
post #9 of 14
I just wish that somewhere someone would post the clock speeds for the 9300's 6800go - I want to know if it uses GDDR3 or not.
post #10 of 14
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Originally Posted by 5150 Joker
You will be waiting a long time. There could be a bios lock preventing the 6800u functioning at all in the 9300. Did you take a look at the leaked dell memo? It clearly states the card is not interchangeable between the two models. Here's the exact wording:
Yes, I looked at that. Propaganda for submittal to support agents that may talk to customers. What did you think they would say, "Ok, so the Ultra and the non-ultra will work in either notebook, since they are essentially the same, but since we charge a premium for the XPS, tell the customer it won't work in the 9300, hush, hush."?
post #11 of 14
lOl
it'd be nice if we had another 9100/xps fiasco
post #12 of 14
I think 6800 go Ultra's dual pipes heatsink can be fit in a 9300...

First, all i9200, i9300 and xps gen2 are sharing the same cpu heatsink . . .
http://support.dell.com/support/edoc....htm#wp1000001
http://support.dell.com/support/edoc....htm#wp1000001
http://support.dell.com/support/edoc....htm#wp1000001

Since no one has a i9300 yet, and since i9300 is using the same cpu heatsink (and mostly likely the same laptop case, too) as i9200, so let use a 9200 for comparsion. . .

in the above pic, we can see that there is a gap between the cpu heatsink and the laptop case.

And take a look at the naked xps gen2 pic from Toms again . . .

We can tell that that is the gap for the go Ultra's second pipe to fit in

and take a look at the i9200 full shot again

seems like the i9200 case is same as the xps gen2 + those two extra usb ports opened in the back panel.

English is not my first language so before someone misunderstands me, I AM NOT SAYING A GO ULTRA CAN BE FIT IN A i9200, I KNOW WHAT THE 855PM/915PM/AGP/PCI-EXPRESS ARE. What I am trying to say is it is highly likely that we can fit a go Ultra into a i9300 because space is reserved as we can see(Again, assume i9300 is using the same/similar case as i9200, which i think it highly, likely is.)
post #13 of 14
As much as I would love to see this happen, I don't. All Dell has to do is not support it in the 9300 bios - and flag the XPS 2 bios so it won't install on a 9300 - and all the hardware tweaking and pipe-making in the world won't help. Hack the bios, I can hear it already. Second problem is actually getting one of things things, especially in the near future. Perhaps a year from now, if you actually CAN upgrade the XPS 2 video like Dell alludes you can, and people actually do that, you might start seeing 6800go Ultra cards on the aftermarket, or perhaps Sager/PC Torque will offer one sooner as an upgrade for 9860 owners (although I am betting if they do it will be a custom, send the laptop to us type deal, just like owners of the older 6800/DDR1/2 card have to get that special heat shield installed - no way the stock cooling on the 9860 will handle the Ultra, it will HAVE to be upgraded) but then what will you do? Fiddle with copper pipes trying to get it to fit?

The amount of money and effort it would take to retrofit an Ultra into a 9300 - and not to mention you'd void the heck out of your warranty - would exceed just getting an XPS 2 in the first place. That is clearly what Dell wants you to do and whether or not we all wished otherwise that is the way it is and wishing isn't going to change it. Dell's own training manual states the two aren't swappable and I don't believe that is mere propaganda for the ignorant tech support reps either.

Best that can be hoped is that the 6800 stock in the 9300 will use the GDDR3 memory. That would narrow the gap somewhat.
post #14 of 14
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Originally Posted by sonicwind
Yes, I looked at that. Propaganda for submittal to support agents that may talk to customers. What did you think they would say, "Ok, so the Ultra and the non-ultra will work in either notebook, since they are essentially the same, but since we charge a premium for the XPS, tell the customer it won't work in the 9300, hush, hush."?
No what I think is that the card will not work in the 9300 because of something Dell may do to prevent it. Could be a bios lock, hardware chip that prevents it or minor slot difference. We'll find out when both are readily available but I'm betting it won't work - at least not without some serious effort on the part of the end user.
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