News story: Foreigners gain thousands of jobs on Dell US staff - Page 6

First of all, I don't remember whining, boohooing (is that a word?), or saying whoa is me, but that never seems to stop you from stating I do. BTW: My degrees are in Business Admin, Economics, Comp Science. I'm not saying CEO's should not make more than the other workers, but making 200-300 times the lowest paid worker is just plain Greed and does nothing for the business or the country. I will say it pains me when I see things like pharmaceutical CEO's and management making millions of dollars a year; offshoring jobs by the thousands to India and then lobbying (and bribing) Congress to allow more H1B visas and NOT allowing US citizens to buy foreign drugs. Makes me sick to my stomach.

My remark about teaching was basically repeating a well known saying (not mine) so I should have quoted that...sorry. I have known a few that have had NO professional experience, so I'm not quite sure where you get your information. Regardless, real word != textbook model.

what the heck does foreign drugs have to do about getting a damn good deal on a dell? NOTHING

who cares what degrees you have, it don't mean crap.

how much do you make in relation to your employees...mr. software company owner?

what kind of argument is lobbying for more H1B visas and not allowing purchase of foreign drugs? nothing...where the heck are you going with your save the world, everyone should be equal marxist ideology? look if you want everyone to be equal, you have the problem of the commons, and no one will do crap, and that is what you will get, is crap. there are strong fish and little fish, and the little fish better learn better kung fu, else he is gonna get eaten, irregardless of his napoleon complex

i'd rather have income coming into america rather than out...H1B means that remittances are going overseas and not in the u.s.

as far as drugs, do man, go buy all the foreign drugs you want..you can get anything in the third world without regulations etc...that's the point, no regulations. also, let's not forget the subsidies foreign countries give for their drugs. if you want a better socialist system, social welfare system, move to a more socialist country where you can see your real wages decreased because of high taxes. and then find out how specialized you can get in a social welfare system.

i think i want a nationalized system, that would mean i could get the same yugo or trabbie...i mean, that dell everyone else has.

look, you are in a global world irregardless how hard you wish it away. like i said before, distribute profits from your company equally, and then i will be one of your followers

this PISS ME OFF... I dont care to pay 100$ more for a damn laptop made in the us or canada by well paid workers... this is bad for all of us in long term.

You can't argue with facts.

-30 million jobs are destroyed and created annually in the US.

-300 000 jobs will be offshored annually by the US to 2012.

-Every dollar sent offshore currently brings back $1.13 on average.

-Eventually, offshoring returns will diminish and it will become increasingly less desirable.

-You cannot stop it. Not without severely damaging the domestic business environment with higher taxes. This would effectively destroy wealth.

Ye Olde bottom line. Profit (money) knows no loyalty save itself.

As long as Dell customers are willing to buy computers at lower prices (in part the result of lower labor costs) in exchange for sub-par (outsourced) customer service, this will not change.

Very nicely put and completely true.

However,I think it's only right that everyone who buys does so knowing that they are buying from an organisation that is now totally corrupted by greed and will make an estimated profit of $60 billion this financial year.

The stockholders demand it. I'm not so sure it means they have been "corrupted by greed" though. It is just the way business operates. If you want a PC that offers incredible customer support, you can buy a Falcon NW machine, and pay through the nose for it.
Here's a great example. Dell has released a 24 inch widescreen LCD which competes directly with Apple's "big screen." How is it that the Dell screen costs almost $1K less? Is this a good or bad thing for us, the consumers? What sacrafices are you willing to make, as a consumer, to get your hands on a piece of hitherto untouchable hardware? Time, and the sales numbers, will tell but history indicates what choice US consumers will make.

dude, businesses are in the business to make a profit. if you want a part of the profit, buy stock in it.

Corrupted by Greed: Putting short term greed, corruption, massive profits and CEO compensation packages ahead of what is truly good for the economy (and country) in the long term. Current examples: Enron, WorldCom, IMClone, Arthur Anderson, others...

If one studied economics, one knows the difference between greed and calculated self interest. One is being discussed here, the other is not.

If somone invents an AI that makes call-centers obsolete (completely automated) are you going to protest that as well? Every time a higher-level programming language is introduced, individual programmers become more efficient, and fewer of them are needed for each unit of work. Going to protest that too?

"If somone invents an AI that makes call-centers obsolete (completely automated) are you going to protest that as well?"

50% of Bombay unemployed...sounds fine to me. At least you can understand computer generated speech.

Well, not to me. More people employed means more people using things like financial services, value-added consumer products, medical services, and many other commodities. Lump of labor is a fallacy. Wealth can be created.

Funny you should mention these companies... everyone of them is now gone or in deep trouble. The CEOs of the companies you're excoriating for providing increasing value to their shareholders and customers are well aware of the pitfalls of going off the deep end. It just shows the system WORKS. Smart business practices equal profits for investors, job creation, value for customers. Corruption equals corporate death or, at least, loss of value and heads rolling at the top. In short, what Enron has to do with outsourcing jobs is a mystery to me.

I don't think Dell has joined the ranks of this list just yet.

Like I said, it comes down to your choice. If you don't like Dell's labor policies and you demand top notch customer service to go with your PC, don't buy from them. If you want higher end products cheaper with less customer service on the back-end, then do.

Like I wrote, abusing corporate off-balance sheet entities is a different issue entirely from offshoring call-centers and software development.

It doesn't. It was an example of corporate corruption/greed which was in response to a previous post.

booohoooo, look at me, i'm soooo poor...i think if you stopped spending so much time posting these rants, and more time in your software company, you may achieve better profits.

EVERYONE has choices: you can buy the products or not; you can purchase stocks or not; you can whine about inequality and corporate greed or you can do something about it.

without global economy, i would not own my Bimmer or ferrari, rolex and breitling, or have married my wife...not to mention that i wouldn't have been able to buy my 700m off of ebay.

outsourcing hurts whiners, not winners.

i say, just breathe and relax..

the great thing about capitalism is that the system likes equilibrium...so whatever lost jobs now is more jobs later. does it suck? yes...but so did being born on the east side during the depression, so does being born in sudan, so does being born an hour earlier or later, so does being one number off of the lottery...the world isn't a rose colour hue, it's dark, its muddy, its grey.

if you feel so badly about the injustices and inequality in the world, then distribute your wealth in stead of buying a new computer, pay all your employees equal amounts to include yourself, and move out of the suburbs

I still dont get it, outsourcing is bad?

So my guess all of you anti-outsourcing gurus believe that a single persons job in America is more important than 20 people's jobs over seas right?

Lets look at some guesstimated numbers ok?

1 Person in USA loses job
15 people in india get jobs

1, 15, 1, 15

If you have 3 degrees surely you can tell me which number is a better number to have in a case of jobs.

Is it better to have 1 unemployed person, or 15!!! TRY AND THING REAAAALLLLYYY HARD ABOUT THIS!!! SQUEZZ EVERY MUSCLE OF YOUR BRAIN AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT THIS EXTREMLY BASIC MATH PROBLEM!!!

dell wouldn't need to outsource CS if its computers didn't malfunction so often...build a perfect computer, prevent outsourcing...