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Originally Posted by George Castanza
Oh, ok. The college student has the answers. I should have known that. I used to be one. My 40 something years on this planet and 20+ years of business experience bow to your 4 years of textbook alearnin'. Wake up, Biff. The textbook world and the real world are quite a bit different. In the textbooks, Greed and arrogance doesn't really play a part. Someday,when you get your nose out of that book, maybe you'll realize it.
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Originally Posted by George Castanza
Oh, ok. The college student has the answers. I should have known that. I used to be one. My 40 something years on this planet and 20+ years of business experience bow to your 4 years of textbook alearnin'. Wake up, Biff. The textbook world and the real world are quite a bit different. In the textbooks, Greed and arrogance doesn't really play a part. Someday,when you get your nose out of that book, maybe you'll realize it.
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Originally Posted by George Castanza
AMWAY?? Salesman??? WTF...Believe it or not, I happen to own a small software company that does quite well, and I do NOT offshore any of my work. I hire people here and pay them quite well.
<<outsourcing produces consumer markets..what do you think they are gonna buy? that's right, u.s. goods>> Yeah, Indians making $10K a year are lining up to buy our $30K Chryslers... I guess this just proves what most of us can tell by reading your posts...you don't have any idea what you're talking about. Good luck. |
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Originally Posted by orangenblue
I love these type comments solely b/c I find most individuals at your age and level extremely CLOSED-MINDED... Don't forget that current college students are future leaders and with an advanced degree and a little more work experience could always be YOUR boss.... (even with your precious "20+ years") It is not uncommon to find us college students with advanced degrees leading others that are: 1. Older 2. Wiser 3. More experienced...
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Originally Posted by ckr
Facts, gentlemen, not flames will allow this thread to continue to be an interesting discourse. Personal attacks will not prove anyones point, and will force the mods to shut down an interesting thread.
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Originally Posted by laffingbilly
i can't believe i'm agreeing with GC now...college students have the camelot view of the world..i was there, i know what it was like...are there smart people there, you betcha...do they know their asses from their elbows in the real world? most of them do not...why? b/c they are being fed camelot by professors and other people who stay in college b/c they are afraid of the real world.
with that said, when i was young, i use to make the same argument...oh you better treat is with respect, b/c i am your future...yeah, was i wrong...it doesn't matter...you will be and do what you are willing to be and do the thing about go getters is that it doesn't matter if you are 20 or if you are a collegian...whoever is better and with ambition will come out on top. bottom line, people reach their limits to what they are capable of doing or think they are capable of doing...so you will always have butchers, bakers, and candle stick makers |
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Originally Posted by orangenblue
And I do agree but with some legitimate work experience and responsibility, there will be few that will out do the elder and sometimes wiser. You are right, college students are fed b.s. by professors but some will wallow thru the shit and come out clean in the end.
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Originally Posted by ckr
Protectionism is bad -- when you have a way to replace the jobs that you're losing. Thing is, we're not creating any hi-value jobs in this country. We're sending them overseas. Our technical knowledge base is being offshored as well. Kids don't get an education in a technical field because there aren't any jobs in those fields and the cycle perpetuates itself. Ever try to get a job as an electrical engineer? In the late 80s, in California, you couldn't find one to save your life. Now they're out there, but still hard to find.
You think that the CEOs and corporations are paying taxes on their earnings? Think again. Try perusing this book: Perfectly Legal : The Covert Campaign to Rig Our Tax System to Benefit the Super Rich--and Cheat Everybody Else by David Cay Johnston He’s an investigative reporter for the NYT. Here is a short piece of his bio: NEW YORK TIMES Pulitzer prize-winning financial reporter David Cay Johnston has spent the past nine years exposing loopholes in the tax code. He reports that what Americans know about their tax system has nothing to do with the reality of it, and readily admits that for most of his 37 years of investigative reporting, he did not understand the tax system himself. It’s nice to read all these economists speak about their theories. The difference between theory and fact is that, in theory, it works, but in fact, it doesn't. You want proof? I think that this morning, one Euro costs $1.38 American. We have nothing here. We've overspent and kept nothing for our own country. I’m all for offshoring *if* there’s something *here* to replace it that pays a living wage. People bandy about numbers like $18/hr. You think you can live in Silicon Valley on 37k a year? Sure. If you live in a box. You think you can earn that kind of money in a starting position, in a place where you can live? Better think again. This is all about money. People say, “stop whining, get a better job”. Many people would be happy to do just that -- if there were any. No one is saying that offshoring is causing America to have no jobs. But when you combine a policy of extreme regulation (as we have in the US) with a policy where corporations can do, more or less, whatever they want, and you end up with a lot of people who work two jobs just to put food on the table. Offshoring is a *visible* portion of a systemic problem that includes things like handing jobs *in* America to people with HB-1 visas. They work for less than Americans will. And why? Because they live in a hovel for five years, and send every penny *back* to their home country, then live like kings when they return. True, these are generalizations. But the fact is you can always find explicit examples for and against what’s being said. However, in general, the trend is downward – if you’re an American tech worker. |
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Originally Posted by George Castanza
No. I've got a job, and I've turned down jobs for more money. Greed does not drive me at all. I like to be able to sleep at night. CEO compensation is increasing at an alarming rate while "real wages" paid to the middle class are declining. I don't want more money and easier jobs, I want an level playing field. All I'm saying is don't bring the US down to match the rest of the world, bring the rest of the world up to match the US. Offshoring is a race to the bottom and it will hurt all of us, not just me.
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Originally Posted by George Castanza
Oh, ok. The college student has the answers. I should have known that. I used to be one. My 40 something years on this planet and 20+ years of business experience bow to your 4 years of textbook alearnin'. Wake up, Biff. The textbook world and the real world are quite a bit different. In the textbooks, Greed and arrogance doesn't really play a part. Someday,when you get your nose out of that book, maybe you'll realize it.
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Originally Posted by needledik
I don't appreciate your personal attacks against me or general condemnation of educated people. I simply gave everyone economists' general consensus on globalization, which the vast majority of economists, including students, professors, government officials/employees, and policy makers hold to be true. Please stick to the facts and avoid injecting your acrid feelings into the discussion.
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Originally Posted by needledik
I don't appreciate your personal attacks against me or general condemnation of educated people. I simply gave everyone economists' general consensus on globalization, which the vast majority of economists, including students, professors, government officials/employees, and policy makers hold to be true. Please stick to the facts and avoid injecting your acrid feelings into the discussion.
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Originally Posted by George Castanza
Tell that to you college professors, and remember "Those would can't do, teach"
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