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Post your Sager 8790 idle temps.

post #1 of 54
3/15/05 at 4:18pm
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I use mobmeter, and my Sager 8790 idles around 47C.
In an attempt to keep her cool, I opened her up to clean her and remove the heatsink "pad" on the cpu and replaced it with artic silver compound. I then added an Antec Notebook cooler, reversing the fans first to blow upwards.

I keep the inside and underneath the keyboard area perfectly clean at all times, yet the temps stay high?!?!
Anyone else got better temps at idle and if you could provide a description of what you did to help your temps?

Anyone know if motherboard monitor work with the sager 8790?
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post #2 of 54
3/15/05 at 5:39pm
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Is there a way to set the laptop up so the fans run all the time? In the Bios?
Someone suggested this in another forum to help eradicate the heat issues.
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post #3 of 54
3/15/05 at 9:00pm
Get a few rubber pads and lift the machine a bit off the cooler. Mine runs at 38/40C during normal idle (web etc). When it gets a bit "dusty" the temps go up into the 45/48C range and then I clean it out.

Function + F10 causes the unit to activate "High Speed Fans" at all times. You need BIOS veriosn 01.01.00 for this function.

You might think back and determine if too much of the AS5 was applied - a little goes a long ways and it will take a few hundred (170) hours for it to cure for best performance.
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post #4 of 54
3/16/05 at 11:56am
Mine at idle depends on the ambient room temps. I have had idle as low as 35/42. Anyone put together a Howto on cleaning the fans step by step, that might help some of those that are afraid to try it.
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post #5 of 54
3/16/05 at 2:18pm
45~48

when i game, i've underclocked the GPU and put fans on high (fn-f10) and i get 54~56
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post #6 of 54
3/16/05 at 2:35pm
Cleaned mine out this morning and I still get an idle temp of ~47. Currently at 49 right now, but I think that's because it just finished w/ a MS Anti-Spyware scan, so it was working up a little HD heat. Temps will most likely be rising for me as I just bought a 100gig Seagate online to throw in the 2nd bay.
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post #7 of 54
3/18/05 at 2:28am
Idle temps of 47 seem really high. Mine is 36 - 38 for normal idling. It goes up to 40 if the fans get dusty. I usually clean my fans out every month or so. Haven't checked idle temp recently for gaming.
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post #8 of 54
3/18/05 at 6:53pm
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Damn, lowest I have been able to get mine idling is 42, and that is upon first boot once the temp drops... then as it sits there idling, the temp goes up a little higher every hour ( approx.) until it hovers around 46-47 with fans going.
I am 100% sure plate under keyboard is clean, 100% sure no lint in fans, 100% sure no hair or lint or anything in heatsink fins, 100% sure I have applied the Artic Silver correctly onto the cpu and still mobmeter reports higher than normal temps, and this is while also having the Antec laptop cooler underneath my 8790, with fans running in reverse to blow air up into the laptop, and prpped up in the back about 1.0 inches off of the Antec Cooler ( as well as positioned so that the fans are blowing straight into the laptop fans, and also with an additional small 92 mm fan blowing cool air from the right side about 1 inch from the side of the laptop, pointing the air in the general direction of where the laptops fans are sucking the air in.
If anyone knows anything else to try let me hear it. Tomorrow a friend is going to lend me some Artic Silver 5 and some "Shinetzu" Thermal compound so that I can try both to see which works best. The Artic Silver I used was the original selling product I had left over.
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post #9 of 54
3/18/05 at 9:16pm
I know that this sounds illogical; however, give it a try. Turn off the fans on the Antec and see what the temps do. Then also turn of the other fan and see what that does. You just might be providing sufficient outside cooling tht the internal fans are nor working properly to cool the internal parts the way that they were designed to.
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post #10 of 54
3/19/05 at 1:23am
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G-Omaha, guess what, you are correct. The Antec fans running from the USB are keeping it cool enough that the Sager's fans are not turning on. The fan noise I thought was the laptops fans, is actually the Antec Laptop cooler fans, since the Sager's fans are not coming on at all with the Antec on. If I do as you say, and pulled the Antec cooler fan usb off, when the laptops temp gets to 49 C, the laptops fans come on and cool it to 40 C. Otherwise with the Antec cooler on, the temp idles at around 43 C tonight.
Now for the million dollar question:
In your best opinion, should I turn off the Antec cooler when the laptop is just sitting or browsing the net, allowing the laptops fan to cool the system as intended, or should I allow the Antec to cool it underneath?
The reason I am asking is due to potential overheating that could happen since fans are activated based upon the cpu temps. So if the fans do not come on, then the rest of the system internally could be staying hot.!?!

Thanks G-Omaha for thinking of that. Brilliant!
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post #11 of 54
3/19/05 at 1:57pm
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Originally Posted by Ruffy
G-Omaha, guess what, you are correct. The Antec fans running from the USB are keeping it cool enough that the Sager's fans are not turning on. The fan noise I thought was the laptops fans, is actually the Antec Laptop cooler fans, since the Sager's fans are not coming on at all with the Antec on. If I do as you say, and pulled the Antec cooler fan usb off, when the laptops temp gets to 49 C, the laptops fans come on and cool it to 40 C. Otherwise with the Antec cooler on, the temp idles at around 43 C tonight.
Now for the million dollar question:
In your best opinion, should I turn off the Antec cooler when the laptop is just sitting or browsing the net, allowing the laptops fan to cool the system as intended, or should I allow the Antec to cool it underneath?
The reason I am asking is due to potential overheating that could happen since fans are activated based upon the cpu temps. So if the fans do not come on, then the rest of the system internally could be staying hot.!?!

Thanks G-Omaha for thinking of that. Brilliant!
A lot of hard work and sweat to arrive at that conclusion. I'd recommend that you use the ANTEC cooler as a stand unless the room temperatures are at or over about 78F or if you are going to employ the "Max Fans/Fn+F10" while accomplish high CPU/GPU games and orapplications. Otherwise, just ue the ANTEC cooler as a stand. Let the 8790's fans do what they are supposed to and only supplimement when it needs some help.

BTW - It's a little cool in the house today (71F) and my 8790 is running at a very stable 36C, while it sits on my ANTEC cooler which is turned off.

Edit: Does the Fn+F10, work on your unit? If so, after you boot, turn it one for about a minute and turn it off. What this does, is reset the "turn off" point of the fans from 40C to about 32C and they will remain on at a very low speed and provide sifficien cooling to lower the units temperature another 2/3 degrees for normal applicaion/browsing/idle situations. (There - now all my "low temperature" secrets are out, now everyone will have cold 8790's running).
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post #12 of 54
3/19/05 at 9:44pm
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G-Omaha,
The FN+F10 key combo doesnt do anything on my 8790. not sure why either, I have the latest bios and video drivers from Sager.

Any ideas if it is something in the bios I have to activate?
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post #13 of 54
3/20/05 at 2:34am
Don't know. Some of the machines do not allow this key combo for some unknown reason. Maybe it's older and non-domestic units that suffer (like Gevo's Italian unit).
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post #14 of 54
3/23/05 at 2:35pm
My 8790
Idling (Nothing Happening):28-29
Small Work (Internet, Office, etc): 30-35
Gaming (HL2, FarCry): 40-45

Add +2-4 without cooling pad.

By the way Ruffy, PM me if you can't find MobMeter, it's a goodie to have.
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post #15 of 54
3/24/05 at 12:34am
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Thanks, I got mobmeter, and mine reads 45 to 46 C while idling lately?!?!?!
Initially the temps use to fluctuate up and down, now they just hover at 46C at idle, and dont budge much.

I have applied , then cleaned removed then reapplied AS5 on it to see if I am doing something wrong, but the temps still hover around 45-46 and gradually/slowly will rise as the heatpipe gets warmer and warmer. I would love to get mine to around 38-39C at idle, but seems impossible.
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post #16 of 54
3/24/05 at 5:45am
^^^^I'm in your boat man...It had great temps before I RMA'd it for the video issues. I reapplied AS and still the temps are sitting @ 52 idle and 46-48 whith MaxFans and antec cooler blasting. All the fans work and the whole thing is cleaned out..Im at a loss...i'll finish gaming and it will be really close to 70..which is not right. ANy ideas??
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post #17 of 54
3/24/05 at 9:44pm
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Originally Posted by Ruffy
Thanks, I got mobmeter, and mine reads 45 to 46 C while idling lately?!?!?!
Initially the temps use to fluctuate up and down, now they just hover at 46C at idle, and dont budge much.

I have applied , then cleaned removed then reapplied AS5 on it to see if I am doing something wrong, but the temps still hover around 45-46 and gradually/slowly will rise as the heatpipe gets warmer and warmer. I would love to get mine to around 38-39C at idle, but seems impossible.
Ruffy,

Do you have a Prescott or Northwood chip?

The prescott will run about 10c higher if i'm not mistaken.

I have a 3.0 prescott and I idle around 47-49c With Max fans I can get down to 38c when Idleing.

Maybe G-Omaha can clarify!

Jeff
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post #18 of 54
3/24/05 at 10:29pm
Whew,

I'd say you need to check what is actually running on the machine (all of the time) and determine if that is OK/NOOK. Then there is that "Is is clean" thing. The Prescotts should run a bit hotter; however, I can't say how much as I don't have one. An 8790, at idle should run at about 40C or below - depends on what the room temperatures are and what is running while it is in the "idle state". Also, if the 8790 is just sitting on a desk or "perched". If "perched", the airflow is improved and the temps will be a bit lower. When using "Max Fans" - and given a few minutes, the temps could go down into the middle 20C when the machine is idle.
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post #19 of 54
3/26/05 at 12:46am
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Mine is a Prescott CPU ( even says supports Prescott on the back though). I still can't get the temps to drop. I opened both the top and the bottom again and the laptop is extremely clean.
So is 46C ok for a Prescott?
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post #20 of 54
3/26/05 at 2:18am
Most likely - This advice is comming from one that does not have that particular CPU.
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