New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

ouch for nvidia - Page 2

post #21 of 34
9/14/03 at 4:11am
Thread Starter 
You know what else is a little odd though, seems the FX 5600 runs doom3 allright and its not even close to finished. Whats going on here? http://www20.tomshardware.com/graphi...x_5900-10.html
Reply
Reply
post #22 of 34
9/14/03 at 4:37am
Quote:
NVIDIA´s Reaction

One day after Valve´s presentation, NVIDIA send us an official comment on the situation:

Over the last 24 hours, there has been quite a bit of controversy over comments made by Gabe Newell of Valve at ATIs Shader Day.

During the entire development of Half Life 2, NVIDIA has had close technical contact with Valve regarding the game. However, Valve has not made us aware of the issues Gabe discussed.

We're confused as to why Valve chose to use Release. 45 (Rel. 45) - because up to two weeks prior to the Shader Day we had been working closely with Valve to ensure that Release 50 (Rel. 50) provides the best experience possible on NVIDIA hardware.

Regarding the Half Life2 performance numbers that were published on the web, we believe these performance numbers are invalid because they do not use our Rel. 50 drivers. Engineering efforts on our Rel. 45 drivers stopped months ago in anticipation of Rel. 50. NVIDIA's optimizations for Half Life 2 and other new games are included in our Rel.50 drivers - which reviewers currently have a beta version of today. Rel. 50 is the best driver we've ever built - it includes significant optimizations for the highly-programmable GeForce FX architecture and includes feature and performance benefits for over 100 million NVIDIA GPU customers.

Pending detailed information from Valve, we are only aware one bug with Rel. 50 and the version of Half Life 2 that we currently have - this is the fog issue that Gabe referred to in his presentation. It is not a cheat or an over optimization. Our current drop of Half Life 2 is more than 2 weeks old.

NVIDIA's Rel. 50 driver will be public before the game is available. Since we know that obtaining the best pixel shader performance from the GeForce FX GPUs currently requires some specialized work, our developer technology team works very closely with game developers. Part of this is understanding that in many cases promoting PS 1.4 (DirectX 8) to PS 2.0 (DirectX 9) provides no image quality benefit. Sometimes this involves converting 32-bit floating point precision shader operations into 16-bit floating point precision shaders in order to obtain the performance benefit of this mode with no

image quality degradation. Our goal is to provide our consumers the best experience possible, and that means games must both look and run great.

The optimal code path for ATI and NVIDIA GPUs is different - so trying to test them with the same code path will always disadvantage one or the other. The default settings for each game have been chosen by both the developers and NVIDIA in order to produce the best results for our consumers.

In addition to the developer efforts, our driver team has developed a next-generation automatic shader optimizer that vastly improves GeForce FX pixel shader performance across the board. The fruits of these efforts will be seen in our Rel.50 driver release. Many other improvements have also been included in Rel.50, and these were all created either in response to, or in anticipation of the first wave of shipping DirectX 9 titles, such as Half Life 2.

We are committed to working with Gabe to fully understand his concerns and with Valve to ensure that 100+ million NVIDIA consumers get the best possible experience with Half Life 2 on NVIDIA hardware.
Reply
Reply
post #23 of 34
9/14/03 at 12:09pm
Odoyle6,

Doom3 uses OpenGL for its graphics programming rather than DirectX9. Different coding so different results.
Reply
Reply
post #24 of 34
9/14/03 at 12:59pm
Nvidia: "Waah! Waah! We got pwned because you didn't use our cracked drivers!"
Reply
Reply
post #25 of 34
9/14/03 at 1:16pm
Thread Starter 
good point blasteron, didnt think of that. very good point. Ive always been fond of opengl, i always thought it looked better.
Reply
Reply
post #26 of 34
9/14/03 at 1:22pm
Whats with the snotty attitude some of the Sager owners are bringing here about this? It is rather petty.
Reply
Reply
post #27 of 34
9/14/03 at 4:55pm
I'm just happy my laptop plays BF1942 better than my desktop....

Reply
Reply
post #28 of 34
9/14/03 at 5:03pm
Thread Starter 
damn straight, besides even if i cant trun directx 9 on, 8.1 looks pretty good. When Im plowing through all those aliens i really dont think im gonna notice a little better light refraction. Thats what my desktop is for. Come on nvidia, lets see those amazing drivers!!
Reply
Reply
post #29 of 34
9/17/03 at 5:39am
Thread Starter 
Im sorry if im beating a dead horse here, but why is valve telling us what card is the best price/performance?? http://www6.tomshardware.com/busines...f-life-02.html Just seems like an odd graph to just throw in there at the event. I know ATI is "teamed" up with them, But just pushing out numbers like that ($$$) just seems brutal. It wasnt like the ATI team was presenting or anything. Guess the industry is nasty, shame on greg for trying to tell me what i want. Although Im sure hes right, I did already buy an ATI card. His concerns are that we might be buying an nvidia card.
Reply
Reply
post #30 of 34
9/17/03 at 1:45pm
Quote:
Originally posted by odoyle6
Im sorry if im beating a dead horse here, but why is valve telling us what card is the best price/performance?? http://www6.tomshardware.com/busines...f-life-02.html Just seems like an odd graph to just throw in there at the event. I know ATI is "teamed" up with them, But just pushing out numbers like that ($$$) just seems brutal. It wasnt like the ATI team was presenting or anything. Guess the industry is nasty, shame on greg for trying to tell me what i want. Although Im sure hes right, I did already buy an ATI card. His concerns are that we might be buying an nvidia card.
How is presenting facts "telling you what you want?"
Reply
Reply
post #31 of 34
9/17/03 at 11:09pm
Thread Starter 
how isnt it? Id much rather buy based on facts rather than lies, or at least presumed factual information. of course i believe valve, just seemed innappropriate to me. using all the power they have to sell hardware, i just want a great game thatll work on my computer (which is always their challenge), not a game that will work on the computer they tell me itll work on (whether its vavles fault or not). otherwise id be a hard core consoler which im not.
Reply
Reply
post #32 of 34
9/18/03 at 3:11am
So my fellow i8600 users....



Are you running DX9 or DX8?

Considering the recent benchmarks i hesitate to DL it.
Reply
Reply
post #33 of 34
9/18/03 at 3:16am
Thread Starter 
DX 9, just becuase its on your computer doesnt mean you have to use it. you can run direct x 8 through the latest direct x 9 release, and it wont change performance. just becuase you have the capabilities doesnt mean you have to use em. besides im sure HL2 will require you to install direct x 9 regardless of video card or anything.
Reply
Reply
post #34 of 34
9/19/03 at 1:58am
I downloaded it so I could run 3DMark03...doesn't interfere with other games that are not DX9
Reply
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Notebook Forums - General