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post #881 of 1202
10/7/05 at 6:30pm
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Originally Posted by farren
I ordered my laptop with AS5...but maybe I should throw some more on there?
You could redo it, but when it comes to applying thermal compound you would want a thin layer rather than a thick layer so don't slab it on there thinking that more would help. Would do more harm than good.
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post #882 of 1202
10/7/05 at 9:09pm
If my laptop is running around 75-80c when I am playing a game...should I stop playing? Is this just too hot? The game is running fine...it hasnt crashed. But I am sure this is doing some kind of wear and tear on the cpu...
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post #883 of 1202
10/8/05 at 2:15am
Ok, answering in order :

Yah, sorry Wing Man, but accord is dead on: .700v is the limit, but be glad you got there

farren, that Asus has been known to have a less effective cooling solution. While your temps are still fine, they'll just be higher. Use both dynamic switching for both profiles. If the temp stays sky rocketed and the CPU stays at full speed, you have it on max performance, leave it on dynamic switching. But unless you have crashes or lock-ups, I wouldn't worry about it, these laptop cooling solutions are designed to handle the heatload at no sweat in almost any environment. Re-applying the AS5 could help, make sure you clean off all the current AS5 with isoprophyl alcohol and then apply a paper thin layer of fresh AS5. Follow the directions on www.arcticsilver.com

dutch, nice job, and out of curiousity, what did you use to overclock your aspire? How'd it go?
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post #884 of 1202
10/8/05 at 7:49am
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Originally Posted by Mr. K6
dutch, nice job, and out of curiosity, what did you use to overclock your aspire? How'd it go?
The program I used for overclocking the Aspire is SetFSB http://www13.plala.or.jp/setfsb/ Beta version 6th from the bottom.

Had the lappy running at 2GHz 1.3v with 166FSB returns a nice 36's Super PI Score, some days its prime stable other days its not 100% just hard locks. Initially I thought this was memory related so when I upgraded from 512 DDR2 PC2-3200 to 2GB DDR2 PC2-4200 this allowed for a slightly higher overclock but just not quite 100% stable at 2.0GHz

Looks like I have to settle for 1.87GHz @ 1.15v for the time being as this is 100% Stable.

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post #885 of 1202
10/8/05 at 1:05pm
Wow, that's fantastic, I wish he'd make one for the PLL on Dell's, there's got to be someway around this stupid lock of theirs . Thanks!
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post #886 of 1202
10/11/05 at 9:34pm
Does chc work on the new 1.8 chips? I cant seem to get it started, its always saying failed to initialize
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post #887 of 1202
10/12/05 at 3:26am
The Microsoft .net framework must be installed for chc to work, make sure you have that first...

Stu
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post #888 of 1202
10/17/05 at 1:11am
Please don't think me a dunce (though I may very well be one), but I still don't quite know what to do here.

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Originally Posted by needledik
7.) Make sure "Minimal FID" is at the lowest number (6.0x in my case) and "Maximal FID" is at the highest number (15.0x in my case).
Where is this under Management? There is only P-State0, and FID is set at 15.0x and I cannot change this even if I click "modify".

Do I do "add" another P-State Transition (because that is when I am allowed to choose FID) and then choose 6.0x FID? Then how is all this saved?

Do I:
1)highlight P-State0 with its 15.0x FID and VID lowered to 1.1, choose BOTH AC Profile and Battery Profile "Maximal" and hit apply?
2)hightlight P-State1 with 6.0x FID and .700VID (IF I need to create it based on your response to prior question about adding P-State Transition), choose "minimal" for BOTH AC Profile and Battery Profile, and hit apply?

I've gone through most of the replies, but gave up after about 20 pages. Can anyone answer these questions here? I know nothing of underclocking, and I can't seem to find any readme on this software, so I'm rather clueless..

Thanks in advance!
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post #889 of 1202
10/17/05 at 3:15am
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Originally Posted by tnynyn
Does chc work on the new 1.8 chips? I cant seem to get it started, its always saying failed to initialize
Apparently there is a new version of CHC that supports the new Sonoma chipsets (740, 750, 760...)

It's called Notebook Hardware Control (NHC) now instead of Centrino Hardware Control (CHC). I think it also works with AMD mobile now....but i could be wrong. Anyway...it's 1.9 Beta 3. It looks nice.

You have to uninstall all previous CHC versions and install the new Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 Beta 2 in order for the new NHC to work.
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post #890 of 1202
10/17/05 at 10:23am
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Originally Posted by GadgetFreak
Apparently there is a new version of CHC that supports the new Sonoma chipsets (740, 750, 760...)
Can it show HD temperature in tray? I know previous version (beta 2) could not. Wonder if I still need to use MobileMeter (HD temp montoring) if I decide to go with NHC.

P.S. I know that CHC/NHC can read HD temp. What I need is convenient way to constantly monitor it without opening main CHC/NHC window.
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post #891 of 1202
10/17/05 at 5:49pm
Beta 2 worked fine on my 760 Sonoma/Dothan, but I am using beta 3 now. It still does not show HDD temp in the tray, maybe you could e-mail the programmer and ask him to include it in the next version. Just wondering, why do you want the HDD temp in the tray? HDD isnt something that fluctuates much and you really only need to check it if you're having an issue.
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post #892 of 1202
10/17/05 at 6:05pm
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Originally Posted by Mr. K6
Beta 2 worked fine on my 760 Sonoma/Dothan, but I am using beta 3 now. It still does not show HDD temp in the tray, maybe you could e-mail the programmer and ask him to include it in the next version. Just wondering, why do you want the HDD temp in the tray? HDD isnt something that fluctuates much and you really only need to check it if you're having an issue.
On the previous Beta version, i too was not able to get a constant readout for the HD tempurature. I had to open the program to get a reading. However, when my HD did reach a critical point (55C) it did warn me with a bubble at the right hand corner of the system tray. At least it did that.

Also, i personally don't think it is necessary to monitor HD temps. Since there isn't anything in the way of active cooling for the HD, there really isn't much you can do to cool it down except to give it more air on the bottom of the laptop, or to shut it down completely. On a side note, i wonder if it is possible to fabricate some kind of heatsink for the HD, even a small sheet of metal to touch the surface of the HD and transmit the heat to the outside would help cool it down a lot. There doesn't need to be a fan, but some way to transmit the heat away...beacuse all it has is a plastic case. Maybe i can get a local metal shop to fabricate a metal plate as its cover on the underside of the laptop.
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post #893 of 1202
10/17/05 at 7:45pm
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Originally Posted by Mr. K6
HDD isnt something that fluctuates much and you really only need to check it if you're having an issue.
I does fluctuate during the extensive disk operations.
Besides, with your point of view on that, there is no need to monitor CPU temperature either, unless you have an issue. Yet CHC allows you to have CPU temp reading in tray.

Guess I'll stick with RMClock + MobileMeter for now.
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post #894 of 1202
10/17/05 at 9:13pm
Those two parts, the CPU the HDD, have completely different functions and thermal specifications, and no that wasn't my point at all. To explain further, gadgetfreak had part of it:
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Originally Posted by GadgetFreak
Also, i personally don't think it is necessary to monitor HD temps. Since there isn't anything in the way of active cooling for the HD, there really isn't much you can do to cool it down except to give it more air on the bottom of the laptop, or to shut it down completely.
The second part is that laptops are designed to adequately cool their hardware. Although there may be some variation in "adequate," no hardware will fry with stock cooling. Unless you want to specifically test a new cooling solution or something of the sort, there's no real reason to monitor it other than personally interest. CPU's on the other hand fluctuate greatly in their heatout put (between load and idle) and the entire POINT of the CHC/NHC program is to reduce temps on the CPU by undervolting it, of course you would need CPU temp monitor in the tray along with votlage to make sure things are running smoothly (since they are out of spec and you CAN do something about it).
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post #895 of 1202
10/17/05 at 9:56pm
Any chance that someone could help with my previous question regarding P-States? Sorry to be a pain, but if you've got any links with more info, I'd be happy to look at that as well.
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post #896 of 1202
10/18/05 at 12:46am
Oh crap, sorry man, I didnt see that post. You're right, you have to add the other p-state and select the voltage you want. From there it'll switch between the two. Usually P-state 0 is 6x and w/e voltage and P-state 1 is your max (15x in this case) and the voltage. However, yours seem to be the reverse, but I dont think that'll matter, try it and see.
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post #897 of 1202
10/18/05 at 3:11am
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Originally Posted by Mr. K6
Oh crap, sorry man, I didnt see that post. You're right, you have to add the other p-state and select the voltage you want. From there it'll switch between the two. Usually P-state 0 is 6x and w/e voltage and P-state 1 is your max (15x in this case) and the voltage. However, yours seem to be the reverse, but I dont think that'll matter, try it and see.
Thanks alot! Will give it a shot


EDIT: I seem to have gotten it working to some extent, though I can't go as low as some. However, there has been a noticeable decrease in fan noise!
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post #898 of 1202
10/18/05 at 11:55am
Great, Mr. K6, you don't need to monitor HD temp. I do. Personal interest should be enough. Besides, after tuning up undervolting settings (while running Prime95 or movie encoding) subsequent monitoring of CPU temperature becomes nothing more than "personal interest" as well because "laptops are designed to adequately cool their hardware."

Real-time HD temperature monitoring is available both from HD manufacturers (through S.M.A.R.T. protocol) and from the author of CHC/NHC (on one of the pages in main window). There must be a reason for that, don't you think?

As to whether I can do anything about HD cooling, ever heard of Acoustic Management setting?

My original question was not about adding HD temp monitoring - it's already in the program. I was asking about tray icon display. Made sense to me since the value itself is reported in real-time. Anyway, as I wrote earlier, I'm fine with RMClock+MobileMeter, NHC will wait for now.
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post #899 of 1202
10/18/05 at 12:21pm
There's no need to take offense, I just asked in my first post why you wanted to monitor it out of interest. In the second post I clarified my point of view since I dont think it came out clearly. Anyway, whatever works for you
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post #900 of 1202
10/18/05 at 4:37pm
Sorry, I was a tad too emotional in my previous post. Just trying to find an optimal tool/combo that will do undervolting and monitor what I want. I am a minimalist in the sense that I run an absolute minimum of applications on my laptop. Just what I need to do my job and relax too That's why I'm watching out for the progress on CHC/NHC. It's definitely heading in the right direction.
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