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post #961 of 1202
well been running prime95 for 3 hours now no problemos at x16 .940v for my 1.6ghz 700m. got immediate crash at .908v where i couldn't boot up without uninstalling. got an error at .924v. started tests at 1024k fft length and increased, as you may not register failures or faults below 1024k fft. if things continue well, will bump .940v up a little to add safety margin. low end is x6 at .700v.

temp during x16 hasn't passed 130 F with HD temp 108 F
post #962 of 1202
i wanna do this but im scared. is it really worth it?
post #963 of 1202
There is no downside to this and its very easy to do, post any questions you have. There's no way it can damage your hardware: the worst that happens is you put the voltage too low and you get a Blue Screen of Death (BSOD) and you have to reboot your laptop. It's worth it because your processor will run much cooler (i.e., wont fry your lap) and you'll have a little more battery life.
post #964 of 1202
My Toshiba M70 has a Pentium M 740 processor. For some reason, Notebook Hardware Control doesn't display the CPU temperature in the status tab. I'm using NHC 1.9 beta 3. Does anyone know why?
post #965 of 1202
Have you installed MS .Net Framework 2.0 (not just the beta)? If so, try reinstalling the application. If that still doesnt work, it might be because it has trouble reading the temp sensor. Try rolling back to beta 2.
post #966 of 1202
I'm having a problem...

I recently undervolted my Toshiba M40-YP3 (1.86Ghz Dothan)

RMclock v. 1.8

Min. 6.0x @ 0.716V
Max. 14.0x @ 1.100V

it worked really well for a while, but lately i've been finding that winxp has been randomly freezing... i've tried bumping up the voltages for my cpu, but it doesn't seem to help at all...

i'm begining to suspect that the toshiba powersaver utility is the problem... can anyone confirm this?

help please, i love my undervolted laptop...and i want it to be stable...
post #967 of 1202

Linux and Undervolting

I've just finished undervolting my VAIO S360 running linux.
My values before and after are:

Before:
1.7 Ghz 1.276V 86C
0.6 Ghz 0.988 48C

After
1.7 Ghz 0.972V 58C
0.6 Ghz 0.700 42C

So, that's a 28C drop in temp at 100% CPU which
is pretty damn good!

To get undervolting working with Linux, grab the kernel
patch centrino-voltages.diff from http://avkrok.net/nw8240/
It's a diff against 2.6.12 but it applied fine against 2.6.14.2.
Then just follow his instructions. I used the same mprime
program as the original instructions but using the linux version.
I also ran a dvd player and quake3 all at the same time just
for extra heat. I also have a startup script that sets the
voltages during boot. Good luck!
post #968 of 1202
S_NINJA, it very much likely could be the cause of the freeze if the two programs are requesting conflicting values. Find the toshiba powersaver utility and disable it or uninstall it.

Great find aking! I'm sure some users will find this very helpful (too bad we cant post it on the first post though ).
post #969 of 1202
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. K6
S_NINJA, it very much likely could be the cause of the freeze if the two programs are requesting conflicting values. Find the toshiba powersaver utility and disable it or uninstall it.
if it is the cause of my freezing, is there any other utility that will not conflict with rmclock, that i can use to control my cooling, screen brightness, hibernate, etc? (too bad toshiba can't work with this...)
post #970 of 1202
Using centrino hardware control OR RightMark CPU Clock Utility, how do i set the maximal(15x) and minimal(6x) settings to the voltages i find?
Can i get some detailed instructions please?
the RMCLock i downloaded seems different from the one in the instructions.
THe only places i can adjust a voltage is the different P-state indexes in the "management" tab and thermal monitor 2 target in the "advanced" tab. both of these let me set a multiplier and voltage.
I found that my cpu supports 1.052 at 15x and 0.700 at 6x. now i just want to implement these permanently but no clue how.
i don't need to find voltages for 6,8,9,10,11~x multipliers right??

Thanks!!
post #971 of 1202
Quote:
Originally Posted by skpman
Using centrino hardware control OR RightMark CPU Clock Utility, how do i set the maximal(15x) and minimal(6x) settings to the voltages i find?
Can i get some detailed instructions please?
the RMCLock i downloaded seems different from the one in the instructions.
THe only places i can adjust a voltage is the different P-state indexes in the "management" tab and thermal monitor 2 target in the "advanced" tab. both of these let me set a multiplier and voltage.
I found that my cpu supports 1.052 at 15x and 0.700 at 6x. now i just want to implement these permanently but no clue how.
i don't need to find voltages for 6,8,9,10,11~x multipliers right??

Thanks!!
Yes, you do NOT need intermediates 8-11. You need 6x and 15x. I have RMClock v.1.8 and it has changed since the original instructions were written.

1. Go to the Management tab, highlight P-State 0, click modify, and set it to 6.0x and 0.700V. Be sure to SET the CHECK BOX to Auto-adjust intermediate etc.
2. ADD P-State 1, set it to 15.0x and 1.052V if that is your choice. SET the CHECK BOX again.
3. I don't recall the original install setup, so ADD, or DELETE and ADD, these 2 P-States as necessary to get it as I describe above.
4. On this tab I also have AC- Auto Mgmt, AC- Perf lvl 4, Batt- Auto Mgmt, Batt- Power Saving lvl 4. And CHECKED Use OS load based mgmt. I don't use the Run HLT anymore.
5. On the Advanced tab set the Thermal Monitor 2 to 6.0x and 0.700V. Be sure the Automatic Thermal Protection radio button to the left is set to Thermal Monitor 2.

I've left most of the rest set as installed. On Advanced Tab CHECKED Enable SpeedStep, NOTCHECKED Enter C4 on C3, CHECKED Enable CPUSLP#, CHECK Enable Popdown, and CHECKED Enable Popup, and the rest as from install. CHECKED Remember settings.

Set GENERAL tab settings as you desire.

Click APPLY but ALSO CLOSE from X in upper right of window. There used to be a bug where it wouldn't save settings.

I'm def not the expert on this. Surf this thread or the cpurightmark forum for info. Good luck.
post #972 of 1202
As most of the people agreed on this forum: undervolting doesn't void warranty, because you do everything with a software without touching the actual hardware. Also, after uninstalling the software there is no way that the manufacturer can find out that you've been undervolting your CPU.

Well, I was thinking the other day, and if you use the same reasoning than overlclocking the GPU should not avoid warranty either... You only use a software (no hardware changes). How could the manufacturer find out that you overclocked your GPU if you uninstall everything before sending to the repair center for example!?

Could somebody please clarify this for me?
post #973 of 1202
Quote:
Originally Posted by bveld
As most of the people agreed on this forum: undervolting doesn't void warranty, because you do everything with a software without touching the actual hardware. Also, after uninstalling the software there is no way that the manufacturer can find out that you've been undervolting your CPU.

Well, I was thinking the other day, and if you use the same reasoning than overlclocking the GPU should not avoid warranty either... You only use a software (no hardware changes). How could the manufacturer find out that you overclocked your GPU if you uninstall everything before sending to the repair center for example!?

Could somebody please clarify this for me?
For one thing, when your GPU comes back with obvious heat issues, they're very suspicious. For another, the drivers are probably set up to sneakily hide some traces of said activity. For another, the chip may be set up to write (into some non-rewriteable memory) "LOL PWNT" or whatever, so that a scan of that particular area would clearly show that you had overclocked.

Plus, they're just hoping to get people on the honour system a lot of the time. People call and say "My god, I screwed up overclocking my card!" quite a bit, I suspect, because they're panicking.

Undervolting shouldn't matter because you risk system instability, not hardware damage.
post #974 of 1202
^^Actually the Manfacturer can't tell if you overclocked anything besides physical damage to the component or physical modification. They are relying solely on the honor system. However homebrew systems and Mom pop stores only make up a small portion of the computers out there in the world that would have motherboards that allow overclocking. Most of the world are using IBMs and dells which don't allow overclocking. Nvidia and ATI have implimented Anti overclocking systems (Radeon 9700 Bios locking anyone?)

Undervolting really can't damage anything in the system. Overvolting can't do damage by itself either it's a combination of Overvolting, overclocking and high temp that kill things.

For example if you can keep a P4 at -400 degrees I'm sure running 5volts and at 15Ghz would be fine for 24/7 operations. This is an very fictional example and no where near real life, to get a better estimate you would need design specs of the chip, material and know a few things about physics.
post #975 of 1202
Overvolting by itself can easily fry hardware. And running something on any kind of extreme cooling 24/7 would fry the chip very quickly. As Tebore said, you need the background knowledge of specs and overclocking to do more extreme things effectively. The simple matter of the fact is that hardware has to run at certain specs and pushing it beyond that will FUBAR it. Think of these things in degrees. The smallest, and easily correctable degree is undervolting. You undervolt too far, your system is unstable, BSOD's, and reboots, no big deal. You overclock too far, you're requesting the machine to run faster without increasing the power. The machine will continue to run faster until it can't stably run with the given power, and therefore will BSOD. Overclocking can damage hardware, but only if you have absolutely no clue what you're doing (or you do, but are putting that beside in order to reach a higher limit ). Finally, the most dangerous portion of overclocking is overvolting. Here you are running more power than specified through your chip/machine, and this is where it is easiest to damage hardware. Although this is an extremely simplified model, you can see that undervolting and overclocking are very simple things, especially in the weak context that we are doing here on our laptops. If you want to see how far some people push their hardware, head over to www.xtremesystems.org .

P.S. - S_NINJA, I dont know much about Toshibas. Try cruising the toshiba forum here or google one and see what fellow toshiba users are using.
post #976 of 1202
Heres an update to the OP for ver 1.8 of RM Clock. Did it off memory so if somethings not right let me know and I'll change it.

1.) Download RightMark CPU Clock Utility (RMClock, current ver 1.8) from http://cpu.rightmark.org/ and Prime95 from http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft.htm
2.) Unzip the programs to the directories of your choice (I use /program files/rmclock/ and /program files/prime95/).
3.) Launche Prime95.exe, download and begin calculations, minimize the window (you should see a red icon in your system tray), then launch RMClock.exe.
4.) Click on the "General" tab and note your default voltages (mine are "Startup" and "Minimal" at 0.988V and "Maximal" at 1.308V).
5.) Click on the "Management" tab.
6.) Select the "Use P-State Transitions (PST)" box. Intel 855 and 915 chipset users may need to select "Run HLT command when the system is idle" (I did). Do not select or modify any other options.
7.) Click on the add button to add your lowest and highest FID's to the box(your lowest and highests FID's can be found out by looking at the general tab under max and min) Be sure the "auto adjust intermediate p-state VID's" is checked, this will let the program interpolate the voltages inbetween your min and max.
8.) Change "AC Profile"("Battery Profile if your on battery power" to "Maximal" and click the apply button.
9.) Now click on the "General" tab and ensure that "Actual Clock" is your maximum processor operating speed (1995.16 Mhz in my case). Return to the "Management" tab.
10.) Decrease the "Maximal VID" (1.308V in my case) by one stepping and click the apply button.
11.) Ensure that Prime95 is still running without any errors. An error will look something like this: "FATAL ERROR: Rounding was 0.5, expected less than 0.4" or "Hardware failure detected, consult stress.txt."
12.) If you do not encounter any errors after a few minutes, return to RMClock and decrease the "Maximal VID" by another stepping.
13.) Continue decreasing the "Maximal VID" and checking Prime95 until you encounter an error. Make sure to press the apply button with each change.
14.) Once you encounter an error, raise the "Maximal VID" by one stepping.
15.) Then allow Prime95 to run for a few hours. If you receive an error, increase the "Maximal VID" by another stepping and run Prime95 for a few hours until you do not encounter any errors.
16.) If Prime95 runs for a few hours without encountering any errors, you have determined the lowest possible CPU voltage at maximum processor speed (1.068V in my case). Write this number down!
17.) Now change "AC Profile" ("Battery Profile" if your on battery power" to "Minimal." Repeat steps 9-15, except for "Minimal VID" instead of "Maximal VID."
18.) If Prime95 runs for a few hours without encountering any errors, you have determined the lowest possible CPU voltage at minimum processor speed (0.700V in my case). Write this number down!
19.) Right click the RMClock system tray icon and select "Run Automatically at Startup" and "Start Minimized to Tray."

Now you can change the profiles if you wish. I have mine to automatically manage on AC power to keep temps down, and minimal while on battery to maximize battery life.
post #977 of 1202
Great update! Doesnt seem like much has changed, which is good because I just started using RMClock in conjunction with I9KFanGUI to control my laptop's settings
post #978 of 1202
Awesome guide! I lowered my max temp by 10 degrees celsius. One question though, do you need RM Clock to keep the voltage settings, or will they stay the same if I uninstall it?
post #979 of 1202
Quote:
Originally Posted by cd470
Awesome guide! I lowered my max temp by 10 degrees celsius. One question though, do you need RM Clock to keep the voltage settings, or will they stay the same if I uninstall it?
You'll need it running to keep those settings, thats why you have it run on startup.
post #980 of 1202
It works!! | p-state 0 fid=6x vid=0.732v | p-state 1 fid=16x vid=1.244v | It's stable and running 7c cooler (47c @ max speed and load) in maximal setting with fans running on slow speed. The voltages are higher than others have attained due to the overclock of the core. Got the dreadful BSOD a couple of times finding the right settings because I was being impatient. I wish I could do this to the northbridge, memory and video as well.

Dell I9300 | Dothan Core | 1.6ghz pinmoded to 2.13ghz | 1gb (2x512mb) DDR 533 ram | Nvidia 6800 Go | 80gb 7200rpm drive
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