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5680 ctrl and fn key swap firmware!!(11-3-03) - Page 3

post #41 of 59
Typical All Blacks supporter. Blind to the truth .

Most computer keyboards that predated microcrap were arranged with Ctrl where the CAPS lock key is because of the fact that the Ctrl key was used a lot and ergonmically it makes more sense to put it where it was for a computer keyboard.

Along comes IBM which of course had the Selectric typewriter. On those the shift/caps lock system was a mechanical interlock which required the caps lock key to be above the shift key which when pressed in unison the caps lock key would lock down the shift key thus putting you in upper case. Great for the mechanical engineers having to design the system. Shame about ergonomics. Typists just got used to it (it is the same with the QWERTY layout - mechanical engineers got lazy and forced the rest of us to adapt to their slack mechanical design skills).

Of course with IBM wanting to corner the PC market and thinking they had to keep their Selectric typewriter customer base they chose to move the control key from its far more useful place for a computer user to its ergonomically difficult place below the shift key. Invariably I hack my keyboards so the control key ends up back in its rightful place for a computer keyboard (or I hook up my old Sun kb ).

Bottom line, marketing and poor mechanical design won over decent ergonomics.
post #42 of 59
sweet
it worked for me
was a little hassle to get the keys in but after that, its all cool
seems like the chriping noise has also stopped
well, its been on for almost 2 hours but then again, i have headphones and am listening to music so i cant say for sure
thanks adam
post #43 of 59
Just got my 5680 (love it!) but noticed that I am getting a sound that comes and goes when playing games. can we use this flash just for that WITHOUT the keyboard key swap?

thanks
post #44 of 59
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jakelador
Just got my 5680 (love it!) but noticed that I am getting a sound that comes and goes when playing games. can we use this flash just for that WITHOUT the keyboard key swap?

thanks
Yes, refer to this post:
http://sagerforums.com/showthread.php?t=8527
post #45 of 59

5670 Firmware

Have sombody tested this firmware in a Sager 5670 (Clevo 5600D)?

I know that the Hybrid BIOS, from Henrik, works, but I don't know if the keyboard firmware of the 5680 works on the 5670.

Thanks.
post #46 of 59
Is this a Clevo D500P patch or is it only guaranteed to work on models configured by Sager?
post #47 of 59
Whats so bad about those two keys? ive heard that they are annoying, but why? Does your finger hit the fn key instead of ctrl?

Just wondering, recieving my 5680 soon.
post #48 of 59
They are in the wrong places (based on normal keyboards)....
post #49 of 59
just swapped this on my new 5680, took me at least an hour to get the second key back on (FN), like others i was a little too rought when i was trying to put it back on at first and bent the little prong down, but finally got it back on

~Fizz
post #50 of 59
Will this firmware update work for 5660s as well?
post #51 of 59
No (like it says on the first page)....
post #52 of 59
I've run the KB update to switch the fn/ctrl keys. I didn't physically switch the keys yet, but I just wanted to see if the flash update actually worked before attempting what seemed like an hours worth of work to get the keys switched.

I rebooted after the flash and the volume bar (HotKeys OSD) came up and went all the way across the screen. Just like if I were to have been holding down fn+f6. The bar stays up on the screen and won't go away unless I exit HotKeys. Also, now when I type, the characters come up as if I'm holding down the fn key. If I hold down the function key, it goes back to normal. I check for physical problems (ie. something making the fn connection) but nada. There wasn't a problem before the flash update, so there should be one now (physically - that is)...

So, what I'm wondering is if this has been seen before and, if so, how was it corrected?

Thanks for any ideas!!!

- John
post #53 of 59
Is there something like this for the 5670? That'd be awesome! Thanks.
post #54 of 59
Ive just installed the firmware for the fan speed control, but i find that when the fans start to go to a moderate speed they initally go to full whack first. Is it not possible for it to go straight to the moderate speed rather than go at full whack first?
post #55 of 59
Yes ! it does
post #56 of 59
Ya well, taking the tech's advice at Alienware, he assured me I had a 5680. Loe and Behold, and my intuition was right, i had the 5260. I ran the program not knowing that I had different, figuring I could rely on the knowledge of the alienware tech support guy. Now my keyboard has gone out on the laptop (using an external one), I am getting a constant beeping sound, and my numlock and capslock lights keep flashing. Also, my boot up is messed, as in it sits there for 20 seconds, until I hit the power button again, then it boots.

PLEASE HELP ME
post #57 of 59
Quote:
Originally Posted by aussie
- still use twm for my Sun boxes. The old Sun kb's were about the best. These microcrap layouts just don't work when you are in vi programming mode.

Even worse is if you use Emacs. vi users have a joke about the key sequence you have to use in emacs to save and exit (/que visual joke The keystroke sequence: hand, foot, headbutt. It reflects on the fact that all emacs commands are CTRL this SHIFT that whilst hanging upside down clipping your toe nails .
Those of us who were "Real Men" had a set of emacs macros that reprogrammed the keymap to mimic edt. Yeah!

As a side note, years after loosing my "real Man"ness, i.e., when I started doing MS stuff, I actually worked with a "REAL MAN" - the fellow who led the Eve development team at DEC.

p.s. If anyone want's a copy of "Real Men Don't Program in PASCAL", I can send you a copy. However, if you are younger than about 35, you won't understand most of it...

Am I showing my age???

gerry@pairofdocs.net
post #58 of 59
firmware to adjust fax speed? where did you get this and where can you get it?
post #59 of 59

Floppy problem

I dont have a floppy drive. Is there any other way using CD.
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