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post #61 of 78
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Originally Posted by Cemesis
Actually its more like buying a BMW M5, trying to take off the 155mph restrictor and finding you can't and then moaning to BMW about it.

All you people who think that Dell should let you overclock your systems are mad. Their warranty prices are based on a calculated number of failed units, to let you overclock just increases that beyond a calculatable number.
Ok, taking that example. Let's say you see a preview of your BMW M5 in your favorite magazine reviews and they report they can reach speeds in excess of 155 MPH, so your thinking, wow, if I go and buy a BMW M5 I'm going to reach speeds in excess of a 155MPH as well, only to find out when you get the car it's limited to a 155 MPH. (This is only suggesting you drive on a racetrack)
post #62 of 78
Nowhere on Dell's site do they suggest that every XPS2 will score over 12000 in 3DMark03. I think anyone who complains about this to Dell will get laughed at. No company ever guarantees benchmarks. Everyone will be running different apps in the background, will have different amounts of memory, different processor speeds (Dragon, for example, has only a 2.0 GHz processor with the review unit had the 2.13 GHz), different hard drive speeds, etc.
post #63 of 78
450/1100 is enough speed i guess no need for overlocking!

my i9300 is o/clocked to 350/800 and works fine


Plus that numbers even higher than any other desktop GPUs !!!!!!!

so i'd say stop complaning
post #64 of 78
shipping unit is not clocked at 450/1100...memory clock is reduced ~40Mhz...not a huge deal, obviously, but it would be nice to 'fix' it by raising the clock...hyut, hyut...
post #65 of 78
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Originally Posted by Cemesis
Actually its more like buying a BMW M5, trying to take off the 155mph restrictor and finding you can't and then moaning to BMW about it.

All you people who think that Dell should let you overclock your systems are mad. Their warranty prices are based on a calculated number of failed units, to let you overclock just increases that beyond a calculatable number.
i got the minimum warranty... i could see them restricting some one who has a 4 year plan.... but 1 year??
post #66 of 78
Besides, the MR9700 and MR9800 were perfectly overclockable, to the point that my machine hard-locked on many occasion until I found the sweet spot!
post #67 of 78
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Originally Posted by tjmaxwell2
Nowhere on Dell's site do they suggest that every XPS2 will score over 12000 in 3DMark03. I think anyone who complains about this to Dell will get laughed at. No company ever guarantees benchmarks. Everyone will be running different apps in the background, will have different amounts of memory, different processor speeds (Dragon, for example, has only a 2.0 GHz processor with the review unit had the 2.13 GHz), different hard drive speeds, etc.
I agree! This thread is sooo funny, I don't think the dragon person has been happy with one thing on his XPS-2. He should just send it back and be done with it. Enough all ready
post #68 of 78
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Originally Posted by vanillawafer
I agree! This thread is sooo funny, I don't think the dragon person has been happy with one thing on his XPS-2. He should just send it back and be done with it. Enough all ready
You find me a host for a 4.3 mb video file and I'll show you how bad my screen sparkles with a video that reveals some of it. The supposed-to-be-white bar on IE is speckled grey. The graphics card is also underclocked compared to the units I was shown in reviews at Tom's Hardware and Nvidia's own site showing expected scores in 3dMark. That information about a change in hardware settings was never made available to me. Everything else with the laptop is great. I love the case, the LED's, the keyboard, the lid (which is flat btw), and others. It's almost perfect.

EDIT: And if you don't think so keep in mind I'm typing on this XPS2 right now. I like it overall.
post #69 of 78
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Originally Posted by Dragon_Myr
You find me a host for a 4.3 mb video file and I'll show you how bad my screen sparkles with a video that reveals some of it. The supposed-to-be-white bar on IE is speckled grey. The graphics card is also underclocked compared to the units I was shown in reviews at Tom's Hardware and Nvidia's own site showing expected scores in 3dMark. That information about a change in hardware settings was never made available to me. Everything else with the laptop is great. I love the case, the LED's, the keyboard, the lid (which is flat btw), and others. It's almost perfect.

EDIT: And if you don't think so keep in mind I'm typing on this XPS2 right now. I like it overall.
It's cool, I'm just saying if you really don't like it that much you have the option to ship it back, but I guess these things you mention are not really that big of a deal because you're choosing to keep it... Man, I hope I don't have your luck
post #70 of 78
CLK-PosterChild
There has been alot of BIOS talk but to boil it down into a nutshell--If the predistribution XPS2 had different BIOS than those being shipped now THAT predistribution BIOS is out there! If you go to tomsharware on the screenshot it is listed as Video BIOS version 5.41.02.36.01 . Question: Is this the same version that you have installed on your XPS2?

Those with XPS2's should demand the pre-production BIOS or Dell should be hauled into court for false advertising! It should be immediately made availiable on their "download" site.
post #71 of 78
Dragon I will host the video, I am interested in seeing it. Please PM me and I will give you upload instructions.
post #72 of 78
You guys shouldn't really make such a fuss about all of this. The only reason I could see you complaining is if it didn't perform as well in games which is, I believe, what graphics cards are meant to do, perform in games. Your scores may be lower, but does your gaming experience really falter that much? Did you only buy the system to oc the hell out of it and not play on it?
post #73 of 78
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Originally Posted by bgbbmm
You guys shouldn't really make such a fuss about all of this. The only reason I could see you complaining is if it didn't perform as well in games which is, I believe, what graphics cards are meant to do, perform in games. Your scores may be lower, but does your gaming experience really falter that much? Did you only buy the system to oc the hell out of it and not play on it?
Yeah I agree there.. I got berated in the dell benchmarks folder becuase I thought there should be a difference in performance between 5000 3dmarks and 5001 3dmarks. I was told the score doesn't matter and the only thing that does matter is that a higher score means something is better. You may get 5200 in a synthetic benchmark but in reality what kind of performance hit does that give you...

You guys need to real some real world tests like the doom3 fps test, farcry, halo etc. etc.. and see how that compares to the 3d mark bench.
post #74 of 78
I'm going to chime in here and say that you guys are all obsessed with a freaking number. A number from a synthetic benchmark - no less, that correlates very infrequently to actually gaming performance. Honestly guys, you're complaining about 200 in a game of five thousands. Rediculous. You'll be able to play whatever game is out, but no, you've got to have something better - a superficial number affixed to your blazing e-phallis.
post #75 of 78
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Originally Posted by JFriedman86
I'm going to chime in here and say that you guys are all obsessed with a freaking number. A number from a synthetic benchmark - no less, that correlates very infrequently to actually gaming performance. Honestly guys, you're complaining about 200 in a game of five thousands. Rediculous. You'll be able to play whatever game is out, but no, you've got to have something better - a superficial number affixed to your blazing e-phallis.
As the saying goes everybody has an opinion, like arses and elbows.

Reviews of 3DMark05 (in no particular order)


Rage3D

"3DMark05 is a visually impressive display of what’s possible in next generation games and what current graphics cards are capable of. The demo mode is spectacular and I’m sure it’ll be displayed in computer shops and conventions all around the world. Deep down you hope graphics technology accelerates quickly so as to allow mainstream graphics the capability to handle this level of graphics, therefore allowing game developers to design games with this kind of visual impact."


ExtremeTech

"In all, this is an excellent graphics benchmark that we'll certainly continue to use in future reviews. It will effectively replace 3DMark03, and will probably serve as a standard graphics test at least until the next major generation of graphics cards arrives."


DNA-Drivers

"3Dmark, a name that has been build up in the last six years. A name that stands for innovation when it comes to benchmarking. And a trusted standard in 3D graphics benchmarking. 3DMark05, continues the tradition of providing an easy-to-use tool for benchmarking next generation 3D graphics technology. This time 3Dmark gets powered by the latest DirectX 9 features and supporting graphics hardware, it will show 3D graphics likely to be seen over the next year and a half."


EliteBastards

"Almost any function of a modern GPU can be tested to some extent here, from relative shader profile performance to the performance hit when using full precision. Add in to that the new graphing options, the AA and AF analysis tool, the functionality to assist with image quality comparisons (which FutureMark tell me is likely to be expanded upon in the first patch), and you have a complete package for synthetically measuring the performance of DirectX 9 capable GPUs."


Driverheaven.net

"As far as benchmarks go, 3DMark05 is “the” graphics test to run for comparing products or showing off your latest kit to your friends, two thumbs up from us."


X-bit Labs

"The 3DMark05 itself delivered exceptional eye candy in all of its game tests. Highly-polygonal models along with massive amount of shader effects definitely bring the graphics bar to the next level. Some would argue that the world has not seen many 3DMark03-like games in reality, but on that there is only one answer: progress cannot be stopped."


Hardware-Mag

"Insgesamt wieder ein sehr ansprechendes und nützliches Produkt aus dem Hause Futuremark, das auch noch die nächsten GPU-Generation "plagen" wird und um die überlebenswichtigen 3DMark05 Punkte kämpfen lässt. Das Auftauchen der ersten optimierten Treiber für aktuelle Grafikhardware in Kombination mit Futuremarks neuem Benchmark wird wohl nur eine Frage der Zeit sein, doch warten wir einfach ab und lassen die ersten ausgiebigen Tests verschiedener Grafikchips entscheiden."


accelenation

"Overall we feel that the new suite of tests is more finely tuned than its predecessor to accomplish the intended task. It's possible to argue ad-nausea over the relevance of the gaming tests that produce the all-important score, but as previously pointed out, the purpose of 3DMark is to provide a level playing field for graphical hardware testing. If this can be achieved while at the same time maintaining some relevance to modern rendering methodologies, then all the better. In both regards, we believe that 3DMark05 will be a resounding success."


Hardware.fr

"Avec 3DMark05, FutureMark nous propose une nouvelle fois une démonstration de ce dont sont capables les dernières cartes graphiques lorsqu’elles sont utilisées dans leur derniers retranchements. Contrairement à son prédécesseur, il est complètement voué à DirectX 9 et utilise ce dernier au mieux, notamment avec le HLSL, mais cela empêchera de nombreux utilisateurs d’en prendre plein la vue, faute de carte le supportant. "


Bjorn3D.com

"Any serious gamer should definitely get 3DMark05, preferably the Pro version. As always, Futuremark has created a neat, well packaged benchmark which will become the standard DirectX 9 benchmark until the next 3DMark comes out. "


3DVelocity

"3DMark05 is a demanding and beautifully rendered benchmark that will keep our graphics cards on the verge of exhaustion for another few generations, and as always the demo is a tour-de-force of pure visual splendor."


Tweak Town

"Heck, even if you don’t intend on using 3DMark05 as a benchmark, you’ll have pleasure in running the splendid DX9 game tests or the demo for hours on end which includes sound (perfect for retail store owners to demo on their machines) over and over again as you marvel at the graphics which FutureMark Corporation use to help build the popularity of the 3DMark series with each new version."


TechReport

Beyond the three new game tests, the purely synthetic tools in 3DMark05 include some welcome improvements for us hardware reviewer types. I'm glad to see the fill rate test tend toward theoretical peaks; we can test real-world fill rate better in games.


Allround-PC

"Mit dem Benchmark 3DMark05 hat Futuremark ein tolles Produkt abgeliefert. Die Tests sind schön umfangreich und mit sehr viel Liebe zum Detail gestaltet. Die verwendete Technik ist absolut auf dem neuesten Stand und wird wohl selbst in Jahren noch zu den graphischen Highlights zählen. Das macht eindeutig Freude auf mehr. Zu schön ist die Vorstellung, solch eine Grafik bald in Games zum Einsatz kommen zu sehen."


HEXUS.net

"The various sub tests are great. The fillrate tests for example are better than they were in 3DMark03, and the batch size tests do indeed highlight issues uploading small vertex batches to the hardware, an issue in current drivers on modern hardware."


Presence PC

"Au final, force est de constater que cette nouvelle version de 3DMark n’est qu’une suite logique de la précédente, et qu’elle n’introduit rien de très nouveau sur l’approche utilisée par Futuremark et sur sa vision du benchmark. On peut véritablement parler de mise à jour technologique, et 3DMark reste ironiquement un des outils les plus complexes et dangereux à utiliser, malgré son apparente simplicité d’utilisation."


ComputerBase

"Alles in allem lief 3DMark05 auf aktuellen High-End-Karten doch besser, als wir es im Vorfeld erwartet hatten. Dass man auf Anhieb mit einer Radeon X800 XT „Platinum Edition” gute 5800 Punkte erzielen würde, hätte wohl vor einigen Tagen noch niemand gedacht."


NVISION.pl

"Podsumowując należy powiedzieć, że 3DMark05 to kolejny krok na przód. Z całą pewnością mogę rekomendować każdemu ten benchmark. Jakość grafiki zabiera dech w pierwsi - śmiało stwierdzam, że żadna z gier nie dorównuje zaprezentowanym scenom. 3DMark od kilku lat wyznacza standard, do którego później równają twórcy gier."


Teamhardware.com

"Again, like with the release of 3D Mark 2003, the benchmarks look really good. It clearly shows what your PC is capable of when it comes to next generation games. Even though our scores were not that high we could see that again Futuremark has put a very nice product on the market. In the weeks to come a lot of sites will naturally adopt 3D Mark 2005 in their test routines making it even more useful as a comparison tool."
post #76 of 78
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Originally Posted by JFriedman86
I'm going to chime in here and say that you guys are all obsessed with a freaking number. A number from a synthetic benchmark - no less, that correlates very infrequently to actually gaming performance. Honestly guys, you're complaining about 200 in a game of five thousands. Rediculous. You'll be able to play whatever game is out, but no, you've got to have something better - a superficial number affixed to your blazing e-phallis.
I don't think so but I think that most people are misreading the numbers; a difference of 100~200 is not a big deal and can be due to the running conditions.

If the gap is larger than that, you can start thinking about what you're doing wrong
post #77 of 78
Isn't voodoo claiming to have the ultra as well? Maybe none have shipped yet..might be another source for bios.

I am not very worried about it being locked because it won't be long before we have a work around. I would like the option to oclock though!
post #78 of 78
Not all review sites got 5200 either. Some got 4900 so as long as you are in that range I would think you are alright. And yes, overclocking voids your gpu warranty, even if it is only 1 year.
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