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post #161 of 218
3/29/05 at 4:42pm
^^ Liability?
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post #162 of 218
3/29/05 at 4:47pm
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Originally Posted by Xarthan
^^ Liability?
That's what's worrying me. Maybe they've realized they've left themselves open legally on this one. I noticed some funny jiggery-pokery on their website yesterday as I hunted down the scant facts they supply about this card. I had empty screens pop up where there should have been details, and in other cases details of other cards given when I clicked on a link for the X300. I got the impression I was looking at a website under rapid re-construction on this issue.
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post #163 of 218
3/29/05 at 5:21pm
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Originally Posted by Picard
...and if indeed the X300 borrows system memory, Dell would have stated it to consumers. There's no point calling it 6000 with "dedicated" graphics if it is not actually that way.

If the X300 only has 1Mb memory on the card itself, it can be called a dedicated memory. I've seen no mention anywhere where it has said that ALL the memory for the card is on the card itself. If that is the case they are telling the truth, from a certain point of view, just not the whole truth.

What worries me is that if the X300 on the i6000 does it, then does the same card on the 9300 do the same as well? And for that matter, since the go 6800 is PCI-Express, will the 9300/XPS2 have the same issue? I am aware that the cards are made by different companies, but innovation in these companies seem to happen at about the same time.
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post #164 of 218
3/29/05 at 5:30pm
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Originally Posted by Speedde423
What worries me is that if the X300 on the i6000 does it, then does the same card on the 9300 do the same as well? And for that matter, since the go 6800 is PCI-Express, will the 9300/XPS2 have the same issue? I am aware that the cards are made by different companies, but innovation in these companies seem to happen at about the same time.
Well, from what my measly little brain can dig up on NVidia's Website, they are doing the same damn thing. The whole thing with the PCI Express bus architecture seems to be that the card can simultaneously read/write to the system bus and hardware by using system RAM, well think about it, just as if it were "virtual" graphics memory.

So, yes, it would seem that ALL manufacturers will be doing the same with their PCI Express hardware.

Wow, my 2-cents has accrued into 3-cents.
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post #165 of 218
3/29/05 at 5:39pm
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Originally Posted by dlinkin
See the read only, with the check beside it ? Scroll down untill you see non local memory, and post a screen shot showing that. Please.
here is the whole diag. report

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Diagnostic report - generated on 2005/3/29 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ PowerStrip build - 502 Windows build - v.5.1.2600.2.Service Pack 2 DirectX build - v.5.03.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158) OpenGL renderer - (n/a) System board ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ CPU speed - 798 MHz Type - Intel Transfer mechanism - DMA Non-local memory - 244.4 MB PCI Express version - 1.00a Graphics card #1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Identity - Dell Display controller Memory clock - 590.00 MHz Engine clock - 290.00 MHz IRQ - 16, shared PCIe version - 1.00a PCIe link rate - x16 Display driver - nv4_disp.dll, v.6.14.10.6771 DirectX driver - nv4_disp.dll, v.6.14.10.6771 Attached monitor - LPL0000 (Plug and Play Monitor) Monitor caps (1) - 1600x1200, 0kHz, 0Hz Device enumeration ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dell CPU-to-PCI bridge (25908086h) Intel PCI-to-PCI/PCIe bridge (25918086h) - using IRQ16 Dell Universal serial bus (USB) (26588086h) - using IRQ16 Dell Universal serial bus (USB) (26598086h) - using IRQ17 Dell Universal serial bus (USB) (265A8086h) - using IRQ18 Dell Universal serial bus (USB) (265B8086h) - using IRQ19 Dell Universal serial bus (USB) (265C8086h) - using IRQ16 Intel PCI-to-PCI bridge (24488086h) Dell Audio device (266E8086h) - using IRQ16 Dell PCI-to-ISA bridge (26418086h) Dell IDE controller (26538086h) - using IRQ10 Dell SMBus (266A8086h) - using IRQ10 Dell Display controller (00C810DEh) - using IRQ16 Dell Ethernet controller (170C14E4h) - using IRQ9 Ricoh PCI-to-CardBus bridge (04761180h) - using IRQ19 Dell Firewire bus (05521180h) - using IRQ18 Dell Base system peripheral (08221180h) - using IRQ17 Dell Network controller (432014E4h) - using IRQ17
the Non-local memory is clearly under the system board column....so how should we interpret this time?
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post #166 of 218
3/29/05 at 5:57pm
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Originally Posted by mrjasjit
Well, from what my measly little brain can dig up on NVidia's Website, they are doing the same damn thing. The whole thing with the PCI Express bus architecture seems to be that the card can simultaneously read/write to the system bus and hardware by using system RAM, well think about it, just as if it were "virtual" graphics memory.

So, yes, it would seem that ALL manufacturers will be doing the same with their PCI Express hardware.

Wow, my 2-cents has accrued into 3-cents.
Can you post the link?
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post #167 of 218
3/29/05 at 6:02pm
I think he means nVIDIA's TurboCache Technology

http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/20050208/index.html
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post #168 of 218
3/29/05 at 6:06pm
Yup, thanks for the link.

I'm just saying that it looks like this is how the graphics cards are going to be affordable, by using this tactic of sharing on-board with system ram.

let's see...
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post #169 of 218
3/29/05 at 7:04pm
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Originally Posted by thecitywokguy
here is the whole diag. report

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Diagnostic report - generated on 2005/3/29 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ PowerStrip build - 502 Windows build - v.5.1.2600.2.Service Pack 2 DirectX build - v.5.03.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158) OpenGL renderer - (n/a) System board ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ CPU speed - 798 MHz Type - Intel Transfer mechanism - DMA Non-local memory - 244.4 MB PCI Express version - 1.00a Graphics card #1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Identity - Dell Display controller Memory clock - 590.00 MHz Engine clock - 290.00 MHz IRQ - 16, shared PCIe version - 1.00a PCIe link rate - x16 Display driver - nv4_disp.dll, v.6.14.10.6771 DirectX driver - nv4_disp.dll, v.6.14.10.6771 Attached monitor - LPL0000 (Plug and Play Monitor) Monitor caps (1) - 1600x1200, 0kHz, 0Hz Device enumeration ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dell CPU-to-PCI bridge (25908086h) Intel PCI-to-PCI/PCIe bridge (25918086h) - using IRQ16 Dell Universal serial bus (USB) (26588086h) - using IRQ16 Dell Universal serial bus (USB) (26598086h) - using IRQ17 Dell Universal serial bus (USB) (265A8086h) - using IRQ18 Dell Universal serial bus (USB) (265B8086h) - using IRQ19 Dell Universal serial bus (USB) (265C8086h) - using IRQ16 Intel PCI-to-PCI bridge (24488086h) Dell Audio device (266E8086h) - using IRQ16 Dell PCI-to-ISA bridge (26418086h) Dell IDE controller (26538086h) - using IRQ10 Dell SMBus (266A8086h) - using IRQ10 Dell Display controller (00C810DEh) - using IRQ16 Dell Ethernet controller (170C14E4h) - using IRQ9 Ricoh PCI-to-CardBus bridge (04761180h) - using IRQ19 Dell Firewire bus (05521180h) - using IRQ18 Dell Base system peripheral (08221180h) - using IRQ17 Dell Network controller (432014E4h) - using IRQ17
the Non-local memory is clearly under the system board column....so how should we interpret this time?
Not good. That's the interpretation.
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post #170 of 218
3/29/05 at 7:23pm
Dang, wish I wasn't correct about that last post of mine. It was just a wild guess.
Someone needs to bring this to the attention of those in the 9300/XPS2 section. It seems like this would be of interest to those people as well. Not me though I'm scared to go in there
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post #171 of 218
3/29/05 at 7:37pm
i dunno, bringing anything up other than sparkles might get you flamed
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post #172 of 218
3/29/05 at 8:30pm
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Originally Posted by dlinkin
Not good. That's the interpretation.
I would interpret like this:

NON-Local memory in the MB section = Non MB(system) Memory = Video card memory..
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post #173 of 218
3/29/05 at 9:19pm
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Originally Posted by thecitywokguy
I would interpret like this:

NON-Local memory in the MB section = Non MB(system) Memory = Video card memory..
NON-Local memory
http://computer.howstuffworks.com/agp4.htm

Your making stuff up now. Good grief, it's just ram, man. Buy some more ram, problem solved.
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post #174 of 218
3/29/05 at 9:28pm
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Originally Posted by dlinkin
NON-Local memory
http://computer.howstuffworks.com/agp4.htm

Your making stuff up now. Good grief, it's just ram, man. Buy some more ram, problem solved.
http://entechtaiwan.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=18

"Integrated and mobile graphics controllers - and this includes everything from the nForce and GeForceGo, to the ATI Mobility and IGP chips, as well as the various Intel graphics from the i810 onwards - are not specifically supported or validated with PowerStrip."
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post #175 of 218
3/29/05 at 9:34pm
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Originally Posted by Yeoman
http://entechtaiwan.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=18

"Integrated and mobile graphics controllers - and this includes everything from the nForce and GeForceGo, to the ATI Mobility and IGP chips, as well as the various Intel graphics from the i810 onwards - are not specifically supported or validated with PowerStrip."
Rivatuner showed it uses non local memory too. I know Rivatuner isn't complete yet, but it agrees with Powerstrip.

If this shows anything. It casts doubt on the dedicated ram these Dell cards have. Do you agree with that ?
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post #176 of 218
3/29/05 at 9:45pm
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Originally Posted by MarkAM
I was looking at the 6000d specs when I realized that the 6000d has a odd new ATI graphics card (X300) that may come supplied without any dedicated memory at all!

I don't think many people realize that when they buy a lappy with a "128MB graphics card" they are not getting what they ordered. These new graphics cards use system memory in part or full to do their processing, NOT onboard RAM. Very misleading, even fraudulent, to claim they have 128MB memory, not so?

What do you think?
I think you are full of ...http://support.dell.com/support/edoc...1/en/specs.htm
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post #177 of 218
3/29/05 at 9:55pm
Ok, this is what SiSoft Sandra Professional 2005.RC1 says about my video adapter. I believe that this finally proves that the Dell Inspiron 6000d with the ATI X300 card has either 64MB or 128MB of actual physical memory on board, and uses up to 256MB of system memory when necessary for textures, etc. Please let me know if I am wrong in this assumption from the below screen capture:
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post #178 of 218
3/29/05 at 10:03pm
OKAY people.. you guys are making too much out of it...

AGP aperture size is for system memory buffer for the video cards.....
As in the data gets stored in that buffer to get processes.. the actual processing still takes place on the videocard's own memory.
THAT is what the non-local memory is for.. I don't know how it is done with PCI-E...

Video Memory separate from system memory... Until the turbo-cache and hyper-memory....

People are getting scared because they feel that the Video card is eating up the system memory... in some sense... it has always being true with computers in the past.... The system sets aside a part of the memory for the buffer...

THE X300 Hass 128MB of memory... BY itself =)
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post #179 of 218
3/29/05 at 10:10pm
Looks like 128megs to me according to that screen shot.
I read this entire post. I think I'm seeing tracers now. :/
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post #180 of 218
3/29/05 at 10:28pm
The X300 has it's OWN full 128VRAM. This is still my stand.
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