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post #41 of 218
3/28/05 at 11:36pm
MarkAM, I don't think that Dell would mislead consumers on their products. For the benefit of the doubt, I think that the X300 really is a WEAK GPU maybe that's why people doubt on the memory.. period. I do believe that it is still "dedicated" memory as my task manager, system properties, Belarc advisor, Everest Benchmark and Fresh diagnose says so. (They're freewares but doesn't make them unreliable in terms of giving computer INFO) "Dells are good" as simply as it is but if you're buying a laptop for hardcore gaming capabilities do not lean towards the 6000. You might have to cash out more and sacrifice portability for a gaming machine.
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post #42 of 218
3/28/05 at 11:39pm
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Originally Posted by MarkAM
Don't get rude with me, son. There's no call for it.
DOn't feed the fire of unsubstantiated internet rumors unless you've taken apart your 6000, found a non-dedicated card, and are in the process of suing Dell for false advertising, Pops.
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post #43 of 218
3/28/05 at 11:40pm
Thread Starter 
Picard, If you are right then it seems Dell is implementing the X300 in a form that ATI is not promoting on its website. ATI's website suggests that the mobile X300 card uses only up to 64MB on board, the rest is system.

It may be that we are right now in the middle of a transition from one type of card to another on Dell systems .. and you were lucky.
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post #44 of 218
3/28/05 at 11:42pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Yeoman
DOn't feed the fire of unsubstantiated internet rumors unless you've taken apart your 6000, found a non-dedicated card, and are in the process of suing Dell for false advertising, Pops.
Don't start flame wars for absolutely no reason. I am one of many people eager to know the truth about this issue, and to have oafish, puerile comments inserted is not helpful.
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post #45 of 218
3/28/05 at 11:43pm
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Originally Posted by MarkAM
Picard, If you are right then it seems Dell is implementing the X300 in a form that ATI is not promoting on its website. ATI's website suggests that the mobile X300 card uses only up to 64MB on board, the rest is system.

It may be that we are right now in the middle of a transition from one type of card to another on Dell systems .. and you were lucky.

What you need to understand is that huge companies like Dell give suppliers specs and they make the product based on Dell specs, not what they already have lying on the shelves.
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post #46 of 218
3/28/05 at 11:46pm
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Originally Posted by MarkAM
Don't start flame wars for absolutely no reason. I am one of many people eager to know the truth about this issue, and to have oafish, puerile comments inserted is not helpful.
Starting a thread entitled "ATI X300 Shocker: may have no dedicated memory!" with absolutely no proof that Dell is using this non-dedicated ATI product is the epitome of puerile.
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post #47 of 218
3/28/05 at 11:47pm
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Originally Posted by Yeoman
What you need to understand is that huge companies like Dell give suppliers specs and they make the product based on Dell specs, not what they already have lying on the shelves.
I do understad that, and if that's what's happening, then good. But it's just speculation until someone pops up with some certainty about this, some technical person or someone who has dissembled their machine. BTW, Dell does not usually do this (order specially made-up parts) with 3rd party products, AFAIK. Not in my machine (Dimension).
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post #48 of 218
3/28/05 at 11:48pm
Um, why not just have someone open up their 6kd and see?
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post #49 of 218
3/28/05 at 11:49pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Yeoman
Starting a thread entitled "ATI X300 Shocker: may have no dedicated memory!" with absolutely no proof that Dell is using this non-dedicated ATI product is the epitome of puerile.
I'm not the only person aghast that this may be happening. And if it IS happening, then it IS a shocker!

Please stop the aggression or I'll not respond to you again.
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post #50 of 218
3/28/05 at 11:53pm
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Originally Posted by MarkAM
I'm not the only person aghast that this may be happening. And if it IS happening, then it IS a shocker!

Please stop the aggression or I'll not respond to you again.
Only on the internet can you get away with pretty much slandering a company without even physically looking at the product.

Aggression? lol

I'll remember not to disagree with you again. My apologies.
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post #51 of 218
3/28/05 at 11:56pm
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Originally Posted by MarkAM
Picard, If you are right then it seems Dell is implementing the X300 in a form that ATI is not promoting on its website. ATI's website suggests that the mobile X300 card uses only up to 64MB on board, the rest is system.

It may be that we are right now in the middle of a transition from one type of card to another on Dell systems .. and you were lucky.
ATI's website doesn't even provide downloadable drivers for the mobility X300 for Dell laptops. What Im trying to say is that DELL creates their "dedicated" X300 drivers for their laptops. The best place to research on Dell's X300 is in Dell's website itself.

If ATI finds discrepancies on Dell's hardware claims, ATI would have sued Dell long time ago and we WILL know about it. Your claim made me think but Im not bothered nonetheless.
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post #52 of 218
3/29/05 at 12:47am
Yeoman what is your problem? If you dont like what he is saying then provide proof that he is wrong if not, then you just need to chill out and let this thread go along as it has been without your rude comments.

If this is too much for you to handle and you just want to be a shield for Dell go be a bug guard for one of the shipping trucks I am pretty sure they would love for you to defend their trucks against those pesky bugs.

Now hush and let us adults talk mmmmmmmkay!!
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post #53 of 218
3/29/05 at 12:57am
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Originally Posted by MarkAM
This issue is being discussed here at Dell Forum.
Man this will be a bum deal if this is the case. One thing I know for sure is I am returning this laptop to deal and raising holy hell. If this is not the case I will happily keep the laptop.

Why would I return it if it is sharing my ram? Cause I paid for a real graphics card and not some shared memory bs this is not 1999 this is 2005 and I want something with some kick to it that is not a huge laptop to carry around. I wish Dell still sold there 8600c. I also wish now that the 8600c I did have did not have any issues with it when I did buy it.
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post #54 of 218
3/29/05 at 1:09am
Here is something I found on the Dell website Here

and it says this.

3 Performance benchmarking is based on the 3DMark 2003 tests performed by Dell Labs in January 2005 comparing the Inspiron 6000 with Pentium M 730, 15.4" WXGA, 512MB DDR2, 128MB Intel Media Accelerator 900 integrated graphics, 60GB HDD, DVD-ROM/CD-RW, 80 WHr 9-Cell Battery to the same system and configuration using a discrete graphics card, 128MB ATI Mobility Radeon x300. Actual system performance will vary based on configuration, usage and manufacturing variability.

4 Up to 128MB of system memory may be allocated to support graphics, depending on system memory size and other factors.


This really pisses me off, since I did not see this when I did order the laptop and this was not on the page with the information at hand at the time of ordering.
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post #55 of 218
3/29/05 at 1:11am
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Originally Posted by Ainvar
Yeoman what is your problem? If you dont like what he is saying then provide proof that he is wrong if not, then you just need to chill out and let this thread go along as it has been without your rude comments.

If this is too much for you to handle and you just want to be a shield for Dell go be a bug guard for one of the shipping trucks I am pretty sure they would love for you to defend their trucks against those pesky bugs.

Now hush and let us adults talk mmmmmmmkay!!
I'm sorry you're right you all have exactly the opposite of what Dell sold you. Silly me. My apologies to all of the folks that have cracked open their notebooks and proved this as being the case. Of course the burden of proof is on Dell. Nevermind the fact that every utility tool shows it as 128mb texture memory, it runs off a 16x PCI Express interface, and there is no sign of system memory being used whatsoever.

I'll just sit back and enjoy watching the blind lead the blind.
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post #56 of 218
3/29/05 at 1:22am
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Yeoman, whoever you are, can't you see why we would be concerned, when the product known as the "ATI Radeon X300" is discussed at many websites, including ATI's own, as being a HyperMemory product since late 2004? (See Tom's Hardware, recent articles).

Yes, Dell may have an entirely different product in their machines, also called "ATI Radeon X300", but if they do, it's pretty confusing, isn't it? Can you grant us that?
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post #57 of 218
3/29/05 at 1:30am
Yeoman since you know all, why dont you provide us the proof we are seeking and settle this matter for all. I mean you act like you know it all and you have your life in Dell's hand with your faith in them and all that.

If we are so wrong and you know and will bet your life on it, then by all means please show us the proof we seek.

Dont bash someone cause they brought up a subject that looks to be in great debate. But if you dont know anything and you just have blind faith in a corporation and dont want to contribute anything worth reading then please leave the thread.
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post #58 of 218
3/29/05 at 1:35am
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Originally Posted by Yeoman
Of course the burden of proof is on Dell.
Actually, yes, it is. Why is it that the Dell website offers only the briefest descriptions of the components they use in their PCs? Surely, if they are using specially made cards (as you claim), they should be VERY CLEAR as to how these cards differ from the one's with the same name you can find in the stores!
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post #59 of 218
3/29/05 at 1:41am
install rivatuner and see what it says....it shows the real memory size instead of the hyper memoried size..



http://hkepc.com/hwdb/x300hm-5.htm
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post #60 of 218
3/29/05 at 1:43am
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Originally Posted by Ainvar
Yeoman since you know all, why dont you provide us the proof we are seeking and settle this matter for all. I mean you act like you know it all and you have your life in Dell's hand with your faith in them and all that.

If we are so wrong and you know and will bet your life on it, then by all means please show us the proof we seek.

Dont bash someone cause they brought up a subject that looks to be in great debate. But if you dont know anything and you just have blind faith in a corporation and dont want to contribute anything worth reading then please leave the thread.
I don't know it all. Its common sense.

1- A graphics card that uses a PCI Express solution does not use shared system memory. Period.

2- The 6000D uses a 915PM chipset which does not support shared graphics memory. Its impossible. End of story.

Lets not let facts get in the way of conjecture
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