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post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
I have a MSI m510c, and am wondering what type of microphone I need to buy in order to record good vocals. (Probabl more r&b or hiphop style vocals)
I have a budget of $100. I do not know any technical aspects of recording, I used to use a k-mart bought $20 headset/mic and did fine with it until it broke. Any advice would be appreciated =).
post #2 of 16
I have a Shure SM-58. It is pretty much the industry standard mic. It costs about 80 bucks. sm-57'S are for instruments.
post #3 of 16
Although the Shure is a fine microphone for what it is, it's not by any stretch of the imagination a good vocal mic for a studio setting.

It'll get you by, though, if you can't afford better. And it's a great stage mic. However, the frequency cutoff on it is 15,000Hz, which doesn't even capture the full sond of a voice in a studio.

A large-diaphragm condenser microphone using Phantom Power will set you back about $150 at a minimum, but the difference between a condenser and a dynamic mic is night and day as far as recording quality. In general, dynamic mics are only used in the studio for instruments with extreme transients (such as drums) or where feedback might be a concern (live performance).

That said, what you pick is up to you. If you go with a condenser, you're goin to need some way of providing phantom power. I use a small mixer, but many I/O interfaces provide their own.

Anyway, if you want really darn good vocal response, don't use a dynamic mic. They work fine when you are getting started, but their lack of high-end reception starts to wear thin after a while.
post #4 of 16
Thread Starter 
what if I can't buy any additional equipment to hook up the mic to my laptop? I jst want to jack in straight from the microphone insert on the back of my mobo.
post #5 of 16
As you people brought this topic up, I would like to ask what you think of AKG CK-91. Is it any good compared to other mics you mentioned here? As I happen to have it.
post #6 of 16
To go straight into your Motherbaord you would want to stick with the SM58 and look into buying or making the adapter required to use it, but you will never get a truly good sound on a laptop sound card(Built into the motherboard), but you may get decent enough stuff to use on occasion. Note that notall laptops these days have a mic port, and that WOULD be required, a line in will not cut it.

Seablade

PS You can pick up the AT LDC mics for 100 bucks by the way, 150 is no longer the minimum. I believe it is the 4040 if I remember right, just in response to that one comment about the price of LDC mics.

PPS AKG makes decent mics but I dont have experience with that particular mic. But rest assured how good it will be will depend ENTIERLY on what you are comparing it with.
post #7 of 16
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Originally Posted by mpatli3n
what if I can't buy any additional equipment to hook up the mic to my laptop? I jst want to jack in straight from the microphone insert on the back of my mobo.
in this case, i think you might be stuck with cheap headset mics like what you were using before. any of the other microphones mentioned here, designed for live performance or studio recording, is going to have an XLR connection. you can combine 2 adapters (XLR to 1/4", 1/4" to 1/8") and plug in like that, but i have no idea what that would sound like (hint: not good) and it would be a pain. if you really want to record 'good' r&b/hiphop vocals, it would seem that you need to spend a little money for an audio interface that will go between the microphone and the computer - this interface would have the proper connections, operate at the proper sound levels, and provide a preamp for the microphone (all important things).. plugging ANY microphone directly into the mic-in on your notebook is going to sound pretty low-quality - the preamp on the built-in soundcard is noisy and not designed for much more than a webcam or headset microphone.

that said, if you were comfortable with the results that you got from the cheap $20 k-mart mic, you might be just fine using something similar. it all depends on how serious you are about recording/making music on your computer and how much money you have to spend - we all start small.

check out this page on About for more info, or do a search on 'budget PC recording' and you should find more.. this can be a pretty complicated subject - i'm still learning new stuff every day, but i'm willing to help however i can

http://homerecording.about.com/od/ba...io_onboard.htm

[edit] and here's a sweet (and cheap) little product i just found that might be a good option to stay in budget and get a better sound:

http://www.griffintechnology.com/products/imic/

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post #8 of 16
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Originally Posted by seablade
PPS AKG makes decent mics but I dont have experience with that particular mic. But rest assured how good it will be will depend ENTIERLY on what you are comparing it with.
...and also WHAT you're recording with it
post #9 of 16
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Originally Posted by MikeControl
...and also WHAT you're recording with it
It was bought for conference room recording (a situation where all people can't have their own mics). Actually I've got 4 mics with different patterns, which I can mix depending on the room layout.
post #10 of 16
Excellent information here. I also plan to record jam sessions (guitars/singing) with my new 9300, so i'm going to be doing more research soon. Here is some great info about the topic.

http://www.shure.com/support/technot...soundcard.html
post #11 of 16
Thread Starter 
Thanks everybody for the information, it's helping me out a whole lot. I really like the griffin input device. I am probably going to get that, but still am not sure about the microphone, but probably will hunt around for a while, and save up some more money.
post #12 of 16
>in this case, i think you might be stuck with cheap headset mics like what you were using before. any of the other microphones mentioned here, designed for live performance or studio recording, is going to have an XLR connection. you can combine 2 adapters (XLR to 1/4", 1/4" to 1/8") and plug in like that,

Heh you are ALMOST right, however it is a bit more than that, I cant remember the specifics off hand but I believe you need to at least disconnect one side of that send because they send a balanced signal, unlike mics designed to go straight into the computer. Provides a better signal for equipment designed to handle it, but doesnt send any worse of a signal if adapted correctly than a typical cheap high impedance mic I donbt believe. So really I dont think the person would be any worse off if done correctly

>...and also WHAT you're recording with it

Very true.

>It was bought for conference room recording (a situation where all people can't have their own mics). Actually I've got 4 mics with different patterns, which I can mix depending on the room layout.

That situation screams omni or PZM mic to me. But from the sounds of it you know(Or have a good guess at least) what you are doing and if it is beneficial for you to do a mixdown for a conference go right ahead, typically I find it not worth the effort and will just place an omni or PZM as needed in the center of the room, or conference table.

Seablade
post #13 of 16

Cheap mixer

You can pick up a cheap 4-channel Phonic mixer, which will provide Phantom Power, for less than $60.00 at most music stores. Many of them are surprisingly quiet, including the little $75.00 cheapie I record with regularly.
post #14 of 16
Thread Starter 
um...I at the risk of sounding realy dumb, could anybody tell me what phantom power is?
post #15 of 16
The quick and dirty explanation: dynamic mics (the type you usually see for school assemblies, outdoor concerts, and such) function by using a barrier with a magnet attached. The barrier/magnet (generally referred to as a diaphragm) is next to a coil of wire. The movement of the magnet with a wire nearby produces a small electric current. This current is fed into a "preamp", which makes that tiny signal much louder (bumps it up to what is called "line-level input"), and then you can record or hear it.

Ribbon microphones function by a similar principle. However, rather than a robust circular diaphragm, they use a small ribbon with a magnet on either end. This makes them more sensitive to sound than a traditional dynamic mic, with some pleasant natural compression, but they are also extremely delicate and expensive. That ribbon can break easily. However, they produce very rich vocals, particularly for female vocalists. Generally, it takes much less air pressure to produce motion in the relatively large, flat ribbon. However, the ribbon is also quite sensitive to location; you'll have a steep decibel dropoff with a singer singing at the side of a ribbon mic.

Now, so far, these microphones require no power to run them. They generate their own current through the movement of the sound waves you've created.

Enter the "condenser" microphone.

Essentially, the diaphragm in a condenser microphone is a capacitor. That is, it's an electrical apparatus which holds a charge. One plate of the capacitor vibrates in response to sound waves. The second plate is steady. The capacitor's capacitance (farads) changes depending on how far apart the plates are. The plates in most decent quality condenser mics are gold, in order to resist corrosion and provide a longer useful lifetime for the microphone. (Well, they're actually gold dusted onto a plastic diaphragm). Some of the cheaper ones, like the ones powered by AA batteries that you buy at Radio Shack, use steel or silver instead of gold, and are only useful for a few years before their frequency reponse diminishes.

Savvy so far? A capacitor stores electricity. The amount it can store varies based upon the materials used for the two capacitor plates and the dielectric (the stuff between the metal plates). In the case of microphones, the "dielectric" is just air between the two nearby plates.

The net result of measuring a capacitor's capacitance changes, versus the small electric current changes created by a moving magnet in a dynamic mic, is that the condenser microphone is far more sensitive to smaller and shorter sound waves. In other words, you can play softer sounds and they'll be picked up. You can also play higher-freqency sounds which a dynamic mic misses because the sound wave isn't large or long enough to move the magnet noticeably.

In the case of the condenser mic, the electric charge to the capacitor is provided by a "phantom power" source. Without phantom power, condenser mics simply don't work, because their capacitor has nothing to charge it. Phantom power is provided right along with the regular signal. It is extremely small, and phase-cancelled if your input is balanced.

Phantom power is only needed for condenser microphones. Turning on phantom power will not harm dynamic or ribbon microphones. Usually, you will want to turn on your mixer, turn on phantom power, and THEN turn up your master volume level if you value your ears.
post #16 of 16
Thread Starter 
thank you =), helped clear a lot of things.
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